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[Stonesoundjam]

BioWare: Lazy, fat and arty

[Halo Quea]

Shallyah wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

Tali and Shepard's relationship with her is almost treated like a footnote.

I'll have to disagree here.

Sure, it wasn't comparable to Liara's romance,

Well you got that right.  It wasn't comparable at all. 

[Shallyah]

Yeah, mainstream will always be mainstream. Liara is basically a no brainer lure planted there for players to follow.

It's good to have alternatives, especially when they're better ones. All in all, I think Bioware did justice to Talimancers in ME3, stock photo thing aside, which I honestly can forgive. Bioware, just give us an ingame model for the DLC and we call it even.

Modifié par Shallyah, 26 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Naltair wrote...

Berty213 wrote...

Namz89 wrote...

I am NOT sure why people complain about Tali being too "humanlike" Has anyone of you ever read the entry on quarians in the entry in the Mass Effect Wiki?

This

Reading is fundamental.

Thane is human-like. Asari are human-like. BW's photoshop effort IS human.

[Shallyah]

Welsh Inferno wrote...



Thane is human-like. Asari are human-like. BW's photoshop effort IS human.

Actually, if you read well, it says their face and hair is the most similar to humans. Anything more human than an asari is practically a human. Which is what was delivered.

There is no conspiracy or scam here, other than the picture itself being a little lazy and cheap effort.

Paulomedi wrote...

for some reason I can't put the picture here, it transforms into code, so I put forward the link:

imageshack.us/f/39/quarian2.jpg/

It makes justice for the Quarians as a hole. They're aliens, not humans with funny markings people.

I hope this is the last time this needs to be quoted in this thread...

Quarians are generally shorter and of slighter build than humans. Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear ducts; they also have three thick fingers on both hands which include a thumb, an index finger, and a long finger, similar to the middle fingers for humans, as well as three toes on each foot. Quarian facial structure and hair actually makes them the most similar to humans in physical appearance. Their lower legs are bowed backwards significantly, compared to asari or humans. Aside from hands and legs, their general body shape and sexual dimorphism is similar to humans. Their ears or ear analogues differ in a noticeable fashion from those of humans, with references made to "what [passes] for the quarian version of an ear".

Modifié par Shallyah, 26 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[Shallyah]

You've seen Tali's picture now, that should make it pretty clear...

[Shallyah]

Edit button aside, Bioware just gave you a picture of a quarian in ME3. I do not get what's so difficult to understand about "this is how the creators say Quarians look, which means it is how Quarians look. End of story."

Modifié par Shallyah, 26 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Paulomedi wrote...

Wiki:

"Quarians are generally shorter and of slighter build than humans.
Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids
and tear ducts; they also have three thick fingers on both hands which
include a thumb, an index finger, and a long finger, similar to the
middle fingers for humans, as well as three toes on each foot. Quarian
facial structure and hair actually makes them the most similar to humans
in physical appearance. Their lower legs are bowed backwards
significantly, compared to asari
or humans. Aside from hands and legs, their general body shape and
sexual dimorphism is similar to humans. Their ears or ear analogues
differ in a noticeable fashion from those of humans, with references
made to "what [passes] for the quarian version of an ear".

But the wiki is based on facts developed inside the game? I've never seen they describe Quarians as quasi-humans.

I have read the wiki before, thanks. We obviously have different definitions of similar. Being similar does not mean being exactly like. Like I said. Drell are similar as are Asari. This is a complete cop out by BW to try please fans by making her all super model like.

[Gill Kaiser]

Halo Quea wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

Tali and Shepard's relationship with her is almost treated like a footnote.

I'll have to disagree here.

Sure, it wasn't comparable to Liara's romance,

Well you got that right.  It wasn't comparable at all. 

I was pleased with Tali and Shepard's romance in ME3. I liked the extra flirty dialogue.

I haven't played Liara's romance yet though, so maybe it's noticably better?

[Namz89]

I think you can get a pretty good idea that they look pretty humanlike - at least regarding the face if you take a look at the things you can see through the visor.

Here is a picture made with the high-resolution texture - and a slightly unfogged visor.

Modifié par Namz89, 26 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[Shallyah]

It's not really supermodel, is it? They have funny eyes and ears, little bit creepy to human standards. Besides, the post you quoted clearly says how their face and hair are the most similar to humans. Even more similar to humans than Asari are, and Asari are basically blue humans themselves.

I think it's time to move to another thread, I feel like I've been saying the same thing for the last 3 posts... each one can understand what they prefer, I guess.

[Namz89]

Paulomedi wrote...
From what I remember, this was supposed to be a placeholder.

Oh c'mon!

Placeholder or not - the facial structure looks humanlike - position of the eyes - form and size of the nose. Even if it's just a placeholder you/they can't just put a six-eyed being inside, just because you think that's cool and unhumanlike. 

They were bound to look very close to the placeholder - which happened to look like a human with glowing eyes. 

[DanteNick11]

I'd support this Tali.

[arthurhallam]

This is f*cking horrible.

[arthurhallam]

A definition of "alien" for all you tards who keep screaming "QUARIANS ARE ALIENS!!!"

a·li·en (l-n, lyn)
adj.
1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.
n.
1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.
5. Ecology An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.
tr.v. a·li·ened, a·li·en·ing, a·li·ens Law
To transfer (property) to another; alienate.

alien [ˈeɪljən ˈeɪlɪən]
n
1. (Law) a person owing allegiance to a country other than that in which he lives; foreigner
2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
3. (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically an extraterrestrial
adj
1. unnaturalized; foreign
2. having foreign allegiance alien territory
3. unfamiliar; strange an alien quality in a work of art
4. (postpositive and foll by to) repugnant or opposed (to) war is alien to his philosophy
5. (in science fiction) of or from another world
vb
(Law) (tr) Rare to transfer (property, etc.) to another
[from Latin aliēnus foreign, from alius other]
alienage [ˈeɪljənɪdʒ ˈeɪlɪə-] n

Modifié par arthurhallam, 26 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[Namz89]

Paulomedi wrote...
Even with these...restraints, they should've done better than they did, not just for Tali again, bur for the Quarians as a whole.

Their faces were a mistery, and now they are not; it was replaced by the sensation of laziness and disappointment, like the ending.

I think you are more disappointed with the effort they put into the quarian designs. I am too, believe me. While I don't see the picture they provided as horrible and wrong - still the simple fact that it's not more than a simple photoshop-job which took maybe about 2 hours is an insult to all the people who fell in love not only with Tali, but the quarians as a whole.

The picture itself is - regarding Tali's look acceptable. But the fact that she's uncovered sitting in some whool blanket on some planet...the picture being taken by someone else than her...well....

I guess like the rest...or rather ending of the game, it was not thought through... or no one really gave a damn.

So I agree with you that the picture itself, or rather the way of creating it, is not acceptable, but the design of the quarians itself is okay... not perfect, but looking back at the whole game - there are much deeper problems with it, than the quarian design.

Modifié par Namz89, 26 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Paulomedi wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I have read the wiki before, thanks. We obviously have different definitions of similar. Being similar does not mean being exactly like. Like I said. Drell are similar as are Asari. This is a complete cop out by BW to try please fans by making her all super model like.

And I do agree with you. I think it was a cop-out. Laziness. We are not talking just about Tali, but all Quarians.

Oh fair enough. Thats twice today I'v misread someones intentions... tired brain I think..