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[arthurhallam]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

That Tali is nightmare fuel

Indeed. It's horrifying.

[simplestarwarsfan]

i support a humanoid tali and the fact that the characters are defined to appearance by the games creators (as someone mentions earlier).
as to the whole tali stock photo thing, i posted this about it in similar thread:

simplestarwarsfan wrote...

there's no issue with the photo itself, my issue is the whole 'what do quarians look like'. we the fans have asked this question ever since the 1st mass effect. 3 games to finally reveal them and what does Bioware do? present a tiny photoshopped stock photograph. i would have preferred to let my imagination make the image rather than get this last minute shop job.

not to mention how un-cannon this picture is, as you guys have been mentioning.

and

unfortunately i think the whole stock photo w/random unrelated background and major plot holes etc. boils down to Bioware half-a**ing stuff last min. hmmm, that seems to be a reoccurring theme in ME3...

[lillitheris]

Shallyah wrote...
All your points are answered by Tali's picture, really. Assume it as canon, whether you like it or not.

That'd be one fun (non-)discussion board. I get it, it's canon. Despite the laziness and all other problems, it's canon.

That doesn't mean we can't discuss the topic, does it? It's not like we're coming up with binding resolutions here.

It is really up to Bioware to decide how each race looks, since they created them, and all that revolves around them. People do not question their ship designs, their envirosuit designs, and should not question their appearance, the same as turians, krogan, asari or hanar aren't questioned either.

Actually, I do question all those things, just not in this thread, since it's not about those things. It's a part of the suspension of disbelief. The ME universe is actually filled out pretty reasonably! The ship designs, for example, are mostly in accordance with the realities of the universe as presented in the codex etc. In this light - especially in this light - it maybe stands out a little more that for races, they went with the pretty standard humanoid varieties. The others suffer from the same issues, but we're talking quarians here, and they even have the property of having fundamentally different body composition right down to the DNA (different amino compounds). It's, if you'll pardon the expression, astronomically improbable that they'd look anything like humans. And the picture we got looks exactly like a human.

Anyway.

It's certainly not something I couldn't get over - we're all used to the lame humanoid space races after all - just a small thing that could have been improved. Edit: improved by originally conceiving the different populations less similar to humans, just so I'm clear..

I note that I'd somehow blocked out the specific mention about hair in the codex…I'd still realistically see it mostly kept cropped for convenience. On the other hand, maybe they like to keep it cultivated to feel a little less limited by their circumstances. Who knows?

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 mars 2012 - 12:01 .

[OozesAwesome]

Looks like she just popped a big wad of bubble gum.

It is nice work.

Modifié par OozesAwesome, 27 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[Shallyah]

lillitheris wrote...

Shallyah wrote...
All your points are answered by Tali's picture, really. Assume it as canon, whether you like it or not.

That'd be one fun (non-)discussion board. I get it, it's canon. Despite the laziness and all other problems, it's canon.

That doesn't mean we can't discuss the topic, does it? It's not like we're coming up with binding resolutions here.

It is really up to Bioware to decide how each race looks, since they created them, and all that revolves around them. People do not question their ship designs, their envirosuit designs, and should not question their appearance, the same as turians, krogan, asari or hanar aren't questioned either.

Actually, I do question all those things, just not in this thread, since it's not about those things. It's a part of the suspension of disbelief. The ME universe is actually filled out pretty reasonably! The ship designs, for example, are mostly in accordance with the realities of the universe as presented in the codex etc. In this light - especially in this light - it maybe stands out a little more that for races, they went with the pretty standard humanoid varieties. The others suffer from the same issues, but we're talking quarians here, and they even have the property of having fundamentally different body composition right down to the DNA (different amino compounds). It's, if you'll pardon the expression, astronomically improbable that they'd look anything like humans. And the picture we got looks exactly like a human.

Anyway.

It's certainly not something I couldn't get over - we're all used to the lame humanoid space races after all - just a small thing that could have been improved. Edit: improved by originally conceiving the different populations less similar to humans, just so I'm clear..

I note that I'd somehow blocked out the specific mention about hair in the codex…I'd still realistically see it mostly kept cropped for convenience. On the other hand, maybe they like to keep it cultivated to feel a little less limited by their circumstances. Who knows?

Well, you are probably right when you say it's astronomically improbable that quarians would look so similar to humans. In the other hand, quarians and humans are two races at a very similar stage of their evolution, that have lived in planets with very similar atmosphere and geosphere. Assuming evolution is a clockwork mechanism of perfect adaption, the dominant organic being of a planet would likely always develop to be a bipedal with similar organic composition, even if they benefit from diferent sided nutrients. And in that, it is possible that two races that evolve in similar circumstances would end up taking a roughly identical path towards the adaption to their medium.

Alright, the chance is very small, but it's there. End of the day it's fiction. As I said, I'd roll with Tali looking less human-like, having no eyes or ears, or having scales in her face. But at least in this case the Quarian appearance wasn't retconned and had been roughly described in times past to match the picture that we've got now. That's good enough for me. I would have been disappointed if the previous descriptions of Quarians indicated that they're green skinned bears and then they looked like humans, for example. But that's not the case here.

There are dozens of other races in mass effect that don't look like humans. And of those that do look like humans, I personally find asari way more ilogical and disturbing than quarians, but it's what it is. Of course we can discuss, but lately the "artistic integrity" topic has been popping up a lot, and I believe that in this, we really have no right to question or second guess how anything "should" look. They should look exactly as their creators chose. I really do not mean this in a rude way, I just really like to think that in this case Bioware has never lied about quarians, so it's not fair to be disappointed about what we got, whether we like it or not. If anything, I'm a bit turned down by the way in which quarians were presented to us(whole stock photo issue), but that's another discussion.

Modifié par Shallyah, 27 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[comrade gando]

Namz89 wrote...

I think you can get a pretty good idea that they look pretty humanlike - at least regarding the face if you take a look at the things you can see through the visor.

Here is a picture made with the high-resolution texture - and a slightly unfogged visor.

I'm trying really hard, but I don't see those markings on her forehead, or how she keeps hair like that under there. Inconsistent I must say

[Element Zero]

A quick question regarding the photo: Does one even get to see it without Tali's suicide? If so, what are the triggers to get it?

[comrade gando]

tallrickruush wrote...

A quick question regarding the photo: Does one even get to see it without Tali's suicide? If so, what are the triggers to get it?

She gives it to you when you romance her. Didn't know you also get it if you kill her, hmm wierd. Apparently there's a bug where she comes up to your room even after she kills herself.

[lillitheris]

Shallyah wrote...
Well, you are probably right when you say it's astronomically improbable that quarians would look so similar to humans. In the other hand, quarians and humans are two races at a very similar stage of their evolution, that have lived in planets with very similar atmosphere and geosphere. Assuming evolution is a clockwork mechanism of perfect adaption, the dominant organic being of a planet would likely always develop to be a bipedal with similar organic composition, even if they benefit from diferent sided nutrients. And in that, it is possible that two races that evolve in similar circumstances would end up taking a roughly identical path towards the adaption to their medium.

I disagree on this point, but like I said, I can accept it. There are actually some quite interesting scientific treatises on the subject of (hypothetical) xenobiology. I should take a look to see if anything new's cropped up.

There are dozens of other races in mass effect that don't look like humans. And of those that do look like humans, I personally find asari way more ilogical and disturbing than quarians, but it's what it is.

Agreed.

Of course we can discuss, but lately the "artistic integrity" topic has been popping up a lot, and I believe that in this, we really have no right to question or second guess how anything "should" look. They should look exactly as their creators chose. I really do not mean this in a rude way, I just really like to think that in this case Bioware has never lied about quarians, so it's not fair to be disappointed about what we got, whether we like it or not. If anything, I'm a bit turned down by the way in which quarians were presented to us(whole stock photo issue), but that's another discussion.

Perhaps that explains what I perceive to be slightly unnecessary vehemence on your part - or maybe I just read too much into your replies. For me, this particular issue isn't part of some larger assault on BioWare…just normal discussion board fodder.

Personally, I think that we certainly have the right to debate topics like these. And, not to sound too self-important, in some sense a responsibility, too; being ignored is almost worse than bad reviews for an author.

Demands are an entirely different thing, and rarely justified. They certainly wouldn't be in  this case (ME doesn't purport to be hard sci-fi after all), but I don't think anyone's made any demands in this thread - beyond wanting the chosen direction being done with a little more TLC.

[lil_lene]

I liked what Bioware did. Only thing I would prefer is if it was an ingame model. They did Chobot, I mean they should have not done her and did Tali instead. Sometimes I wonder where they got the idea to put Chobot in.

[Stonesoundjam]

I wouldn't kick her out of bed. Nudge nudge wink wink say no more..

[Tom Jolly]

 I used Tali.

[Uber Rod]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Sad when fanart has far more effort put into it then what a company of people getting payed are willing to put in

Basically this.  

I also really like this deviantart one: http://browse.devian...masked#/d36tmh7

Sorry, not good with embedding pics in the post

I don't know. I think that version makes Tali look like a husk.

[Clayless]

Needs moar glowing eyes.

[Su37]

Shallyah wrote...

Edit button aside, Bioware just gave you a picture of a quarian in ME3. I do not get what's so difficult to understand about "this is how the creators say Quarians look, which means it is how Quarians look. End of story."

Finally, someone with a brain.

Modifié par SU37, 27 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[durasteel]

I like the idea for Tali that is in the game. The execution isn't ideal, but I like their concept of quarians a lot better than the picture in the OP. Something about that picture is just... creepy. Sorry.

[weltraumhamster89]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

I personally think hair should be unique to humans. It's definitely a feature that seems to define humanity in Mass Effect.

Hated the stock-Talis long wavy hair. She looks FAR to human!

Why are all the female alien - LI or crewmates so human? I romanced Garrus and still love him, don't care about the way he looks.

Are men that shallow? There are enough space-boobs/ space-models in the game already.

I agree with you. I'm a guy but I think its so uncreative and lazy. Its unreal how many people actually like it

This. I know Quarians should look pretty much human like, but come on - the thing we got IS a human with cut off fingers. The codex says they have three very thick fingers - it doesn't say anything about finger nails (and that they look exactly like human nails), it doesn't say anything about long wavy hair, it doesn't say anything about caucasion complexion, it doesn't say anything about how the lips, teeth, nose etc. look..

That is just lazy, nothing more. And far too shallow and model like, I think something like this would still be better, it's human like but more alien in a way:



or this mixed with OP's picture, maybe with blueish skin colour and more glowing eyes:

[Dendio1]

She looks so young, like a 15 year old

Top picture is good bottom one is way to young

Modifié par Dendio1, 27 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[weltraumhamster89]

Dendio1 wrote...

She looks so young, like a 15 year old

Top picture is good bottom one is way to young

Misture of both would be good then, wouldn't it :-)

I know it's senseless anyway, but maybe someday we can actually mod ME and put one of them in the game.
I really really hate the vanilla-Tali-stock-photo as it is sooo lazy and uncreative. And too hairy

[taylortexas]

 This is the best imagining I've seen of Tali. The canon one is just far too human (for obvious reasons).

[Omega Torsk]

Have to support. Different enough to be alien, but similar enough for human attraction. Please, Bioware, release a "Tali's Face" DLC and use this person's design! DX

[Nashiktal]

Naltair wrote...

Berty213 wrote...

Namz89 wrote...

I am NOT sure why people complain about Tali being too "humanlike" Has anyone of you ever read the entry on quarians in the entry in the Mass Effect Wiki?

This

Reading is fundamental.

Drell are all but human. Just add scales and texture. The quarian wiki offers details on individual facial features, but it was obviously always a placeholder until more details came through. The only thing the description ever told us was that they were humanoid.


I just wish people had more imaginiation, like bioware used to.

[corkey sweet]

Renjin wrote...

This is the picture of Tali I would have used:

Heres a project that allows you to put this image in the photo frame on the normandy:
http://social.biowar...m/project/8075/ 
Warning: The texmod file thats linked has a virus in it, so you'll need to find another texmod.


http://nebezial.devi...in-3d-290554560 

face looks like a starfish, no thanks

[Searchnresq]

in ME1

Wrex stated that: humans, Asari, Salarians, are soft... Quarians... not so much...

I always thought that meant they were kind of 'scaly' (not sure what word i'm looking for)

[wejx89]

jarrettwold wrote...

I don't know I would have based it on Ash Sroka, the actress who voiced Tali. She's a pretty lady

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Edit:  As much as people hate the stock photo they used, I actually liked it.  The reveal was nice as well, indirect through a framed photo.  Whether it was because it was rushed or intended, it was a decent nod to the literal physical separation that you see between Tali and Shep.  

I also liekd it. It would have been nice to see her face but the photo was a great idea. Shepard can see her face whenever he wants Good job Bioware. She was a bit too human but I can buy that its ok and besides if she had been purple... would we have been able to look at a quarian male without laughing?
The romance was sweet beautiful and also tragic it was perfect! Besides the ending the entire game was perfect !!