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[Antiuna]

The Angry One wrote...

Jacks-Up wrote...

It's silly to thnik that summoning Demons and using peoples life energy to the point of killing them isn't evil.

Except that isn't all there is to blood magic.

Indeed. Blood magic is like anthrax or some small pox laying around. It in itself is not evil, but chances are you arent gunna use it to cure cancer

Not everyone who uses blood magic is evil, for sure, but inheriantly it is a darker form of magic. Using life force of others, controlling minds. These aren't friendly skills, to be sure. I mean, in some twisted way you COULD perhaps use them for good. Maybe bend the will of some evil-doer to see the error of his ways - but its still a pretty dirty trick. Wardens use any means possible, so maybe blood magic is a good means for them to get what they want.

I havent gotten far in my mage play though yet but it is a bit dissapointing to think no one notices you're malaficarium. But that would indeed be a lot more writing.

[JamesX]

Gray Warden are allowed to use Blood Magic.

Once recruited they are also beyond the typical enforcement of Templars and Circle of Magi.

Modifié par JamesX, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:43 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

JamesX wrote...
Gray Warden are allowed to use Blood Magic.

Yes. Within the Grey Wardens, it is allowed to use blood magic, if you're a Grey Warden.

This is a rule amongst the Grey Wardens. The Chantry, The Circle, The Templars, and just about everyone else throughout the entire society would still stick shiny pointy things into you.

JamesX wrote...
Once recruited they are also beyond the typical enforcement of Templars and Circle of Magi.

Why do some people think that the Grey Wardens are politically and socially untouchable supermen? If it was common knowledge that Grey Wardens practiced Blood Magic on a casual basis (not saying that they do), they'd be exiled by most civilized societies and hunted down by the Templars, just like anyone else.

You're also allowed to cheat and steal as a Grey Warden, yet guards hunt you down to have you killed. Why don't you try telling them that you're a Grey Warden and thus above the law of the lands? I'm sure that'll work out great.

[Rhys Cordelle]

There's a codex entry which states that blood magic wasn't always a school of its own, but rather just an alternate method of casting spells from the four schools of magic. Mages generally kept a few elven slaves on hand so that they could use their blood to cast spells that would normally be beyond their capabilities if they only used mana. It wasn't until later that some mages discovered that blood magic allowed you to summon demons and control minds. It was this discovery that lead to the Chantry establishing the Rite of Anullment, after a summoned demon posessed a blood mage and slaughtered 70 people.



Apparently the Rite of Anullment has been invoked 17 times in the last 700 years, which is more than twice a century! It's no wonder the Circle opposes blood magic, considering that if one of their students dabbles in it they risk having the templars slaughter the entire tower for it .

[Rhys Cordelle]

The Angry One wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

If you were the Maker, you'd want priests that can actually jump your bones, ya know?

What does that say about Yahweh then?

/flee

That the last 2000 years of the church promoting/justifying/encouraging homophobia and hate crimes was just a tad hypocritical?

[Kuravid]

 Amen. Where's my cut scene where I get to stab myself in the hand and make everyone else around me go all crazy?

[asaiasai]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

You can use the "I'm a Warden"-excuse, but lore-wise, if the Chantry found out that you're a Blood Mage, I think you'd be hunted down and killed. Warden or not.

And that'd be awesome.

Seriously, BRING IT! That would be awesome more folks to kill and i do not have to go looking. Hey Flemeth had a blast with that for 4 centuries now lolz.

Asai

[Original182]

I agree that specializations should have more impact in terms of story and lore.

Before Dragon Age was released, I wanted to be a Templar, but was worried about what I read about them from the wiki. It said that they put their duty first, and morals second.

But in the end, specializations are just 4 extra talents and some stat boosts. I was disappointed that mages weren't wary of me, that I didn't get a mini-quest-chain to get templar-only gear, etc.

[elijah_kaine]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

All specializations and classes should have a greater impact. As it is, no-one ever comments on your choice of specialization. No Templars comment on your techniques, no dwarves recognize the berserker glint in your eyes, no mage explodes in a fireball of blood and rainbows over being Spirit Healer/Blood Mage.

I see what you mean here. It would help sell the specializations as part of the games lore if people commented on your technique. Also, I'm surprised at the lack of consequences when resorting to blood magic. I havn't tried it in game yet, but I would expect Wynne and Alister to leave you right away, as they are both way against that kind of thing.

I think that's something for the dev's to keep in mind for the sequel. Something like becoming a templar, a blood mage or a berserker even should effect the world and it's oppinion of you more.

[Original182]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...
That the last 2000 years of the church promoting/justifying/encouraging homophobia and hate crimes was just a tad hypocritical?

Gay christian is not an oxymoron. They exist. Try not to buy into every anti-church propaganda you hear.

[Rainen89]

For the record, blood wound is one of the best spells in the game, not comparable to Mana clash but mind you a 6 second stun with huge aoe and a 10 second cooldown is by no means weak or useless. Blood control should've been better but it has it's uses. That aside, blood magic is thought of as evil because of tevinter origin. Chantry says many things are evil, doesn't make them so.

[Messor8914]

I thought it was rather weak and never even bothered with learning it from the demon. I used Jowan in the fade the first time through(during the redcliffe thing with conner). And now i am going to make a ruthless mage if anyone has read dragonlance i think you know of the character.

[Messor8914]

Really though i think specs should have more of a impact so hopefully its rectified

[Rainen89]

It's not strong damage wise. (Though the full dot is more than enough to kill enemy (white) archers and some mages.) Like I said it's just one of the best CC's in the game. 6 second stun, 10 second cooldown. It's amazing, nuff said. Mana clash should be taken from the game however.

[I ReVaNChisT I]

blood mages arnt necessarily evil, its just banned by the chantry, but i do think it would be cool if you were continually being hunted by templars, maybe a large sidequest devoted to you dealing with that issue

[Rainen89]

I was honestly just hoping Wynne would be up and arms threatening to turn you into the chantry.

[Original182]

Messor8914 wrote...

I thought it was rather weak and never even bothered with learning it from the demon. I used Jowan in the fade the first time through(during the redcliffe thing with conner). And now i am going to make a ruthless mage if anyone has read dragonlance i think you know of the character.

The one with the hourglass eyes?

[Sabin Stargem]

Blood Mages are not weak. Granted, they don't excel in dealing damage directly, but they have excellent spells for controlling or disabling the enemy, a way to recover health for themselves, and here is the best feature: Segregating their spell pools. Health is used for on-the-spot spellcasting, like Fireball and Cone of Cold, at a -20% reduction in spell cost for blood-enhanced magic. Furthermore, sustained spells like Haste, Spell Wisp, and Frost Weapons will be maintained by your mana - not health.



Once you equip an blood-magic enhancement item like the Ring of Blood or Avernus's Robe, your -20% discount becomes -40%. In short, you can wear a number of items for regenerating health and mana, and become capable of really pumping out spells. You can further increase your spell capacity by picking up Spirit Healer, which can restore your health through Aura of Cleansing, and be fueled by mana.



*Blood Ring may be obtained at the Orzammer Proving Grounds, through the Proving Armsmen, if you fight enough times.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Original182 wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...
That the last 2000 years of the church promoting/justifying/encouraging homophobia and hate crimes was just a tad hypocritical?

Gay christian is not an oxymoron. They exist. Try not to buy into every anti-church propaganda you hear.

Anti church propaganda? Please. Of course gay christians exist, and there are even churches that openly accept and welcome them, but this is a VERY recent occurrence. It's also far from the end of religiously justified bigotry

[Original182]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...
Anti church propaganda? Please. Of course gay christians exist, and there are even churches that openly accept and welcome them, but this is a VERY recent occurrence. It's also far from the end of religiously justified bigotry

That's like saying the US still treats black people like second class citizens, despite Obama being elected as president, as it is only a "VERY recent occurrence". Maybe you're still living in the past.
And it's hard to preach tolerance, when you seem to have a confused statement. It's ok to bash religion, but not gays?

[Rhys Cordelle]

Original182 wrote...
That's like saying the US still treats black people like second class citizens, despite Obama being elected as president, as it is only a "VERY recent occurrence". Maybe you're still living in the past.
And it's hard to preach tolerance, when you seem to have a confused statement. It's ok to bash religion, but not gays?

Obama becoming president was a fantastic event. It doesn't change the past, and it doesn't mean that discrimination has come to a grinding halt either.

A small percentage of christian churches are now openly welcoming of gay people, and that's great that they are, but people are still preaching that homosexuals will burn in hell. I freely acknowledge that my statement about the church promoting/justifying/encouraging homophobia and hate crimes doesn't apply to every christian and every denomination of christianity, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Why shouldn't religion get a bashing for the mistakes it's made?

[Original182]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...
Obama becoming president was a fantastic event. It doesn't change the past, and it doesn't mean that discrimination has come to a grinding halt either.

A small percentage of christian churches are now openly welcoming of gay people, and that's great that they are, but people are still preaching that homosexuals will burn in hell. I freely acknowledge that my statement about the church promoting/justifying/encouraging homophobia and hate crimes doesn't apply to every christian and every denomination of christianity, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Why shouldn't religion get a bashing for the mistakes it's made?

Can I then bash the US for all it's previous mistakes without being accused of promoting anti-americanism? Or Germany for world war 1, and Japan for world war 2? No, no and no. Generalisation is bad.
As you've pointed out, not all christians are homophobes. But by making your previous statement, you're indirectly attacking them, even gay christians. That seems irresponsible.
And surely there are people with no religion who indulge in hate crimes against gays. Why are you making ONLY churches the scapegoat? Again, it's not ok to hate, unless you're gay?

[Rhys Cordelle]

Dude, I was responding to a post about Yahweh. The justification for anti gay attitudes is right there in the bible, whether it's interpreted accurately or not.

[borelocin]

mrofni wrote...

Crossing bridge. Troll detected. Tosses a gold piece.

Throw coppers - gold is worth a lot in this game

[Messor8914]

Original182 wrote...

Messor8914 wrote...

I thought it was rather weak and never even bothered with learning it from the demon. I used Jowan in the fade the first time through(during the redcliffe thing with conner). And now i am going to make a ruthless mage if anyone has read dragonlance i think you know of the character.

The one with the hourglass eyes?

Yes that one Raistlin i find it sort of difficult to play with his personality in mind but then again Morrigan reminds me of him in a way but not really for the god like power aspect