Messor8914 wrote...
Yes that one Raistlin i find it sort of difficult to play with his personality in mind but then again Morrigan reminds me of him in a way but not really for the god like power aspectOriginal182 wrote...
The one with the hourglass eyes?
Original182 wrote...
Messor8914 wrote...
Yes that one Raistlin i find it sort of difficult to play with his personality in mind but then again Morrigan reminds me of him in a way but not really for the god like power aspectOriginal182 wrote...
The one with the hourglass eyes?
Raistlin was bad****. Yeah I'm glad in the end he was spared from eternal damnation after he defeated the Queen of Darkness.
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
I agree. At the very least, a stern talking-to from Wynne and Alistair, and perhaps a high-five from Morrigan.
JamesX wrote...
Gray Warden are allowed to use Blood Magic.
Once recruited they are also beyond the typical enforcement of Templars and Circle of Magi.
Modifié par Jacks-Up, 02 décembre 2009 - 12:01 .
The Capital Gaultier wrote...
I agree. At the very least, a stern talking-to from Wynne and Alistair, and perhaps a high-five from Morrigan.
Jacks-Up wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Jacks-Up wrote...
It's silly to thnik that summoning Demons and using peoples life energy to the point of killing them isn't evil.
Except that isn't all there is to blood magic.
K then what else is there?
Jacks-Up wrote...
As I recall there is only one Gray Warden thats a Blood mage and he's in Wardens Keep and he's hardly good.
Find me one good Blood mage pl. Sorry but Good person and Blood mage is like oil in water they don't mix.
Blood magic by definition is using life energy (represented by blood) to cast spells. That's all it is.
Demonology and mind control are specific uses of blood magic, not blood magic in itself
The Angry One wrote...
Jacks-Up wrote...
As I recall there is only one Gray Warden thats a Blood mage and he's in Wardens Keep and he's hardly good.
Avernus is amoral, but not "bad".
The accident with the demons was actually more Sophia's fault than his, she was the one who insisted he summon more and more demons until they turned on him.
Jowan.
Don't try to say otherwise. He made terrible mistakes but he was a good person who tried to make up for them. Much of his mistakes can be attributed to being in a society that treated blood mages like scum to begin with.
Jacks-Up wrote...
The Definition also says it comes from demons and is taught by demons.
Did you actually pay attention to what he was doing and the quest line? The guy kidnapped torchered and killed fellow Gray Wardens to further his own end if that's not Evil I don't know what is.
Well he's not! You don't poison a good person in attempts to kill him because you're morally sound.
He may be trying to reform himself but he also says he's going to give blood magic up.
Considering when ever he try's to do good with Blood Magic and it always backfires it's pretty safe to say Doing good + Blood Magic doesn't work.
The Angry One wrote...
In a world where Grey Wardens taint themselves on penalty of death and templars addict themselves to a substance that will eventually drive them insane?
It's not nice, but it's not EVIL either. And if YOU pay attention, you can make Avernus acknowledge he went too far.
The Angry One wrote...
Well he's not! You don't poison a good person in attempts to kill him because you're morally sound.
He poisoned Eamon on the orders of Loghain who freed Jowan from his inevitable death sentence in order to "do a service for his country".
You confuse naivete and desperation with evil.
He may be trying to reform himself but he also says he's going to give blood magic up.
The Angry One wrote...
No, he says he intends to give ALL magic up.
The Angry One wrote...
Considering when ever he try's to do good with Blood Magic and it always backfires it's pretty safe to say Doing good + Blood Magic doesn't work.
You must've missed the part where he uses blood magic to save Connor then.
Isolde dies, yes. Of her own choice.
Modifié par Jacks-Up, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:06 .
Jacks-Up wrote...
Just because he admits it doesn't make it less evil and no sorry Kidnapping, Torturing and Killing people against there will is the definition of Evil no way around that.
Doesn't change the fact that using Blood Magic messed everything up like I said Blood Magic + Good person doesn't work. unless of course you're RP'ing a naive fool that's too dumb to figure out the harm he's doing but that doesn't make Blood Magic anymore good.
Well Blood Magic is Magic no?
Doesn't make it any less an evil ritual. Reguardless of the intent it was still Evil especially when there was a "Good" option to simply go to the circle.
Modifié par The Angry One, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:41 .
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
He was a novice blood mage. He didn't have high-level mind controling spells.
High-level blood magic is far to odangerous and immoral. Low-level, not so much. After all, drawing life from yourself or an enemy to fuel spells is not much different than burning someone of literaly stealing his life energy (Life Drain)
The Angry One wrote...
How did blood magic mess things up in that regard?
Only the Chantry's utter, unreasonable persecution of blood magic induced Jowan to make his escape attempt, and blood magic wasn't involved in either Connor's possession or Eamon's poisoning.
In case you hadn't noticed, any mage can become an abomination and make pacts with demons, not just blood mages.
The Angry One wrote...
The ritual is not inherently evil, it's a tool. Nothing more.
Using it with the blood of an unwilling slave may be considered evil, but in this case it wasn't. Isolde willingly gives up her life so Jowan can enable a mage to save Connor.
The "good" option assumes you have the time to go off looking for aid in the Circle, and the characters don't posses your out-of-game hindsight.
Jacks-Up wrote...
If you fail to see the obvious that's your problem.
An Evil Tool is Evil end of discussion. A ritual that sucks the life out of another person and kills him / her is an evil ritual no matter what the intent or the reason.
Jacks-Up wrote...
Seriously I don't know why so many people have an issue of Blood Magic being Evil? FYI It's susposed to be Evil and I didn't Spec into it to be a goody tooshoes.
The Angry One wrote...
Jacks-Up wrote...
Just because he admits it doesn't make it less evil and no sorry Kidnapping, Torturing and Killing people against there will is the definition of Evil no way around that.
Oh you mean like the Chantry does?
Jacks-Up wrote...
K I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here are you trying to justify Kidnapping, Torturing and Killing people for no other reason as to further ones own end with forbidden magic as not evil?
I'm just wondering how you came to this conclusion because under this same rational Hitler could be considered a good person because Jews got in his way. /Eyeroll
The Angry One wrote...
Jacks-Up wrote...
K I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here are you trying to justify Kidnapping, Torturing and Killing people for no other reason as to further ones own end with forbidden magic as not evil?
I'm just wondering how you came to this conclusion because under this same rational Hitler could be considered a good person because Jews got in his way. /Eyeroll
I'm saying that the viewpoint you hold (all blood magic is evil) is the same viewpoint as that of the Chantry.
You know, the guys who kidnap, torture,lobotomize"tranquil" and genocide those who they don't like or fear.
In other words, yes blood mages have done Bad Things. But so has the Chantry, and so has almost every group in the game. Avernus' actions were amoral, yes. But they weren't done for the sake of being evil.
Modifié par Jacks-Up, 02 décembre 2009 - 02:00 .
Jacks-Up wrote...
Than I rest my case under that same rational Hitler could be considered Hitler could be considered amoral?
I mean seriously Kidnapping, Torturing and Killing people (other Gray Wardens)who really didn't anything wrong is not evil in you eyes?
WTF would you consider Evil than? Do you have to blow up the world to be considered Evil? If you're not blowin up the world you're not evil I guess silly me.
The Angry One wrote...
Jacks-Up wrote...
Than I rest my case under that same rational Hitler could be considered Hitler could be considered amoral?
I mean seriously Kidnapping, Torturing and Killing people (other Gray Wardens)who really didn't anything wrong is not evil in you eyes?
WTF would you consider Evil than? Do you have to blow up the world to be considered Evil? If you're not blowin up the world you're not evil I guess silly me.
Do you even know what amoral means?
In any case, what Hitler did was without rhyme or reason, it was gratuitous and self-destructive with no set goal other than the racial purity of his council of fat, balding trolls.
Avernus on the other hand was surviving in a demon-filled fortress due to the tactical stupidity of his leader and his own inability to control what he summoned. That tends to mess up one's world view.
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