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[MOELANDER]

 So I took the time and translated this poll from the website of major german gaming magazine GameStar. The source can be found here: 
http://www.gamestar....id=842&pk=13573


I forgot to include the poll title so here it is:

BioWare gives in and is adjusting the ending of Mass Effect 3. What do you think?



If you look how many participated in the 3 days this poll ran... Yeah minority my shiny metal ass!

EDIT: By input from karlchen , (Dankeschön Kamerad, hatte ich fast vergessen!) here's the earlier poll from GameStar.
Source:
http://www.gamestar....id=842&pk=13537




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Thanks to count_4 for being faster than me 

Modifié par MOELANDER, 26 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[Phaedros]

Zey have vays of making ze counting more efficient .. oh yes!

[shengar]

This is another reason why I like Germany

[Kyazain]

Das ist gut!!!!!

Halten Sie die Zeile! (Sorry, I had to use google translate for that one)

Modifié par Kyazain, 26 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[MOELANDER]

Achtung! Ze Kaiserrr is most dipleased wif zee endings of Mass Effekt 3! BioWare is adivsed to fix zem or we will invade Kanada! Gott erhalte den KAISER!

[alberta]

MOELANDER wrote...

 So I took the time and translated this poll from the website of major german gaming magazine GameStar. The source can be found here: 
http://www.gamestar....id=842&pk=13573


I forgot to include the poll title so here it is:

BioWare gives in and is adjusting the ending of Mass Effect 3. What do you think?



If you look how many participated in the 3 days this poll ran... Yeah minority my shiny metal ass!

Excellent work my good man - hold the line no matter how long it takes. We deserve better then this garbage BW dumped on us.

[MOELANDER]

I zalute you alberta! Ze Kaiser is displeased and very disgruntled! He demands a better ending! Or he will pull out Big Bertha!

[blacqout]

There are a lot of unacounted for players in your chart.

What's funny is that you're more than willing to draw your own conclusions from limited data when deciding the size of your movement, but you can't do the same thing to make sense of a thought provoking ending.

Hilarious.

[Kilshrek]

I think you're reaching there blacqout. It's called extrapolating, you can do it very easily when you have sufficient numbers.

Abstract things like ideas don't extrapolate very well.

Solid figures, just draw a line(of best fit).

Next funny argument, please.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 26 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[Zine2]

Anyone who wants to argue that only a minority of players hate the ending should take a statistics course.

Anyone who still wants to argue that a minority of players hate the ending despite (supposedly) completing a statistics course should send me their name and school so I can ask their college or university to revoke their credits on their Statistics course.

[count_4]

Phaedros wrote...
Zey have vays of making ze counting more efficient .. oh yes!

Indeed. We invented some very efficient means to turn minorities into majorities. 
But seriously: I was surprised and happy to see how the Mass Effect related polls on Gamestar turned out. Especially the ending poll: 72%(25k participants) of the players that completed ME3 thought the ending destroyed the entire series. 

[DarklightZERO]

We are a vocal SUPER-minority.

Anyway nice work with the pie chart.

[MOELANDER]

Oh I pulled my thoughts from the ending. I turned them around and I didn't like them.

I'm just a customer who feels he's been cheated. If BioWare would have been a german company I would have gone to court. Along with many friends of mine. False Advertising isn't well received over here.

[QuarianHIV]

Aren't you the same folks who took on Origin and won?

[Kyazain]

Mein komeraden! Ve vill continue to fight für die BSNland!!!

Okay, I'll stop with my gratuitous German...

[MrFob]

Haltet die Linie Freunde, haltet die Linie!

BTW, here is the relevant result from another German magazine PCGames. Not as many people here but still the message is the same:
The title reads: "How did you like the end of the game? (when you first saw it):"

y-axis is the number of votes
x-axis is basically organised like German school marks from 1 (Very good) to 6 (badly failed), the last column is for people who skipped the question (possibly because they didn't finish the game yet at the time)

Modifié par MrFob, 26 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[MOELANDER]

Stellung halten! Stellung halten.

[MOELANDER]

QuarianHIV wrote...

Aren't you the same folks who took on Origin and won?

Indeed we are! Origin was in a very shadey grey area of the german laws. Brought to court and won!

[recentio]

blacqout wrote...

There are a lot of unacounted for players in your chart.

What's funny is that you're more than willing to draw your own conclusions from limited data when deciding the size of your movement, but you can't do the same thing to make sense of a thought provoking ending.

Hilarious.

If I wanted to make up a story for myself, I would have spent $60 on nights at the coffee shop alone with my laptop. Passing the storytelling buck to the player is just lazy.

EDIT: Plus, massive amounts of thought have been put into analyzing the "thought provoking ending" and revealed it to be a pretentious farce, riven with nigh irreconcilable logical and thematic discontinuities.

Modifié par recentio, 26 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[blacqout]

Kilshrek wrote...

I think you're reaching there blacqout. It's called extrapolating, you can do it very easily when you have sufficient numbers.

Abstract things like ideas don't extrapolate very well.

Solid figures, just draw a line(of best fit).

Next funny argument, please.

It's actually quite an amateurish thing to do. Correctly interpreting data requires more than an ability to draw a line. You people invariably fail to take the societal factors into account and adjust accordingly.

The Retake movement's utter dependence on sheer numbers is quite telling. As is your notion that ideas do not extrapolate very well.

When you take all the factors into consideration, there are many ways to interpret numerical data, just as there are many ways to interpret the ending of Mass Effect 3.

[karlchen]

@MOELANDER:
da ist noch ein Poll der genauso interssant ist... magst übersetzen?!

http://www.gamestar....id=842&pk=13537

english:
another interesting Poll by gamestar... maybe MOELANDER want's to translate

[Seloun]

While I imagine majority of the players dislike the ending, the polls aren't directly statistically applicable due to the fact that the selected population isn't random. This invalidates the sampling assumptions in your typical error estimate formulae. It's quite easy to believe that self-selection bias leads to a higher representation in the poll than over the entire playerbase as a whole. Without knowing the selection criteria rather precisely it's difficult to accurately extrapolate to the entire population.

I'll note that I hated the ending, and I believe majority of the players who have played all three games do/would dislike the ending, but these polls are not high certainty evidence.

[Megachaz]

blacqout wrote...

There are a lot of unacounted for players in your chart.

What's funny is that you're more than willing to draw your own conclusions from limited data when deciding the size of your movement, but you can't do the same thing to make sense of a thought provoking ending.

Hilarious.

If you like drawing conclusions from limited data, why did you even need an ending at all?  The game could have cut to black the second we make our final choice.  Then we would have been able to speculate even more!  How thought provoking!

No.

The genophage was thought provoking.  Is biological warfare and genocide ever justified?  The Geth origin story was thought provoking.  If an artificial construct gains self-awareness and true intelligence, is it equal to organic life?  Cerberus and The Illusive Man.  Do the ends justify the means?  What if the means are mass murder?  At what point do you become the enemy you are fighting?

Having to try to guess at what really happened because the narrative was so unclear is frustrating, not thought provoking.

[DemonsSouls]

I'm guessing that you'd get very similar results if you did a poll like that one in every country.

[WarChicken78]

DemonsSouls wrote...

I'm guessing that you'd get very similar results if you did a poll like that one in every country.

I'm actually sure about it.