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[Deschi]

CosmicWonderer wrote...

Give the Germans enough technical knowledge and resources, they can build mass relays and Citadels by the hundreds.

Badass German cops you say? call in the GSG9!

Hmmm, is that the new color scheme for the German police car, silver and blue stripes? I was travelling in Poland a while ago, the police cars in some major cities are also in silver and blue stripes color.

Yepp they used to be green and white and no now blue and silver is the new color scheme... kinda tryinf to standardize it within the countries of the European Union....
hmm had green as a color, blue.... just missing the red... ah damn still reserved for the fire department

Modifié par Deschi, 26 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[jspiess]

blacqout wrote...

There are a lot of unacounted for players in your chart.

What's funny is that you're more than willing to draw your own conclusions from limited data when deciding the size of your movement, but you can't do the same thing to make sense of a thought provoking ending.

Hilarious.

No crap Sherlock...

However, it is a rather decent sample size and the results are NOT statistically different than the ones conducted at BSN and other ones on the internet.

It is called statistics. You take a SAMPLE and then use the information from that sample to extrapolate and predict what the population would resemble.

[blacqout]

Militarized wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

I think you're reaching there blacqout. It's called extrapolating, you can do it very easily when you have sufficient numbers.

Abstract things like ideas don't extrapolate very well.

Solid figures, just draw a line(of best fit).

Next funny argument, please.

This. We use a much smaller pool of people for our national elections, I think that gives a good indication for how people feel. 

You may want to familairise yourself with the concept of selection bias. It shouldn't take a genius to realise that these polls are far more likely to draw in those that dislike the endings... but it apparently does.

[blacqout]

Megachaz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

There are a lot of unacounted for players in your chart.

What's funny is that you're more than willing to draw your own conclusions from limited data when deciding the size of your movement, but you can't do the same thing to make sense of a thought provoking ending.

Hilarious.

If you like drawing conclusions from limited data, why did you even need an ending at all?  The game could have cut to black the second we make our final choice.  Then we would have been able to speculate even more!  How thought provoking!

No.

The genophage was thought provoking.  Is biological warfare and genocide ever justified?  The Geth origin story was thought provoking.  If an artificial construct gains self-awareness and true intelligence, is it equal to organic life?  Cerberus and The Illusive Man.  Do the ends justify the means?  What if the means are mass murder?  At what point do you become the enemy you are fighting?

Having to try to guess at what really happened because the narrative was so unclear is frustrating, not thought provoking.

I didn't say that i liked anything.

It's hypocritical to declare your movement a majority, considering the very limited data, while decrying the Mass Effect 3 ending for not providing enough information.

My personal preferences don't come into it.

However, it is nice to know that the cliched big questions resonated with you... and if you think about it a little harder, you'll see that the prevalent themes of which were present within the finale.

At least BioWare know what they need to do to satisfy people like you in the future. Rehash the same material science ficton writers have been contemplating for decades.

[Gernbuster]

Deschi wrote...

CosmicWonderer wrote...

Give the Germans enough technical knowledge and resources, they can build mass relays and Citadels by the hundreds.

Badass German cops you say? call in the GSG9!

Hmmm, is that the new color scheme for the German police car, silver and blue stripes? I was travelling in Poland a while ago, the police cars in some major cities are also in silver and blue stripes color.

Yepp they used to be green and white and no now blue and silver is the new color scheme... kinda tryinf to standardize it within the countries of the European Union....
hmm had green as a color, blue.... just missing the red... ah damn still reserved for the fire department

They are still green in Bavarian, or did u really expect us to accept changes comming from Berlin?

[MrFob]

blacqout wrote...

You may want to familairise yourself with the concept of selection bias. It shouldn't take a genius to realise that these polls are far more likely to draw in those that dislike the endings... but it apparently does.

Wrong! These polls are "advertised" on the gamimg sites. Don't know exactly how GameStar does it but the one I cited on the last page was within the news section. The link to the poll basically reads in english:

Mass Effect 3: Poll on how much you liked the game

This poll than consisted of several questions (about 20 of them), covering all topics like gameplay, sound, graphics, etc. The question I cited was right in the middle. Now, people usually look at news articles of games they generally like. So the only bias of the poll title I can think of here is that it drew people who generally liked the game.
From what I have seen, the GameStar poll is very similar in all these points.

And about 24.000 people in Germany alone are not a small sample size, given usual statistical procedures.

Modifié par MrFob, 26 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[ZLurps]

Ah yes, "statistics" we have dismissed this claim.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome

[Xrissie]

lol germans

[MOELANDER]

ZLurps wrote...

Ah yes, "statistics" we have dismissed this claim.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome

Sorry but what has this to do with this? 

GameStar is the biggest PC gaming magazine in Germany. It has the most customers and even a console gaming subsidiary. The polls they make are pretty representative. I don't get what this has to do with paranormal phenomena.

[MakeMineMako]

MOELANDER wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...


I just love Germany.

Great cars, bad ass police, great beer, and great gamers. Gotta love them.

And to not forget my Amerikanischer Freund: Great gunsmiths! Heckler & Koch, Walther, Mauser...

And ze Kaiser! 

Lol!

Yes indeedy do.

[MOELANDER]

Xrissie wrote...

lol germans

THAT'S NOT FUNNY!

Modifié par MOELANDER, 26 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[GorrilaKing]

Kyazain wrote...

Das ist gut!!!!!

Halten Sie die Zeile! (Sorry, I had to use google translate for that one)

Die Stellung, mein Freund...die Stellung.
In German, Kirrahe says "Stellung halten".

[HezzaE]

I like how roughly the same number of people thought "artistic work" shouldn't be changed as hadn't finished it yet. I bet if you excluded the people who hadn't finished the game from the first set of results, there would be far fewer people banging on about this "not changing art" nonsense.

[ZLurps]

MOELANDER wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Ah yes, "statistics" we have dismissed this claim.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome

Sorry but what has this to do with this? 

GameStar is the biggest PC gaming magazine in Germany. It has the most customers and even a console gaming subsidiary. The polls they make are pretty representative. I don't get what this has to do with paranormal phenomena.

I guess you never played ME2. Let my try again. Stalin, "Ah, yes Germans, we have dismissed this claim".

For some people here, it won't matter if you had 99% sample size. Some people are going to claim it's "loud minority" no matter what kind of evidence is presented for the contrary.

Modifié par ZLurps, 26 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[MOELANDER]

ZLurps wrote...

MOELANDER wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Ah yes, "statistics" we have dismissed this claim.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome

Sorry but what has this to do with this? 

GameStar is the biggest PC gaming magazine in Germany. It has the most customers and even a console gaming subsidiary. The polls they make are pretty representative. I don't get what this has to do with paranormal phenomena.

I guess you never played ME2. Let my try again. Stalin, "Ah, yes Germans, we have dismissed this claim".

For some people here, it won't matter if you had 99% sample size. Some people are going to claim it's "loud minority" no matter what kind of evidence is presented for the contrary.

Ah okay, I understand now. Yeah you are right. But if it helps to lift the spirits of some it did well!

[MakeMineMako]

Deschi wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...


I just love Germany.

Great cars, bad ass police, great beer, and great gamers. Gotta love them.

Actually the normal patroling police has the reputation to be generally quite decent here But I am sure they would feel flattered being calles "badass"

Do me a favor, and pass the word on to one or two. I'm sure, like cops everywhere, they have to put up with a lot of BS. It's good for those guys to hear a kind word every now and then. Having worked in Corrections, and coming from a family of public servants, I know I did.


I think a lot of the German police's rep for ass kicking comes from footage of SWAT teams and riot police in action. Not to mention, the stories of vets stationed there in the 1960's, 70's and 80's (I was born in Kaiserslautern, West Germany in 1972). Nothing like a "rep" to keep the jackasses in line.

[xxLDZxx]

Even when the world starts to burn, pigs start to fly and the hell freezes.
You find a idiot telling you, according to statistics thats impossible.

xD

Stellung halten, um jeden preis.

[MOELANDER]

xxLDZxx wrote...

Even when the world starts to burn, pigs start to fly and the hell freezes.
You find a idiot telling you, according to statistics thats impossible.

xD

Stellung halten, um jeden preis.

Yeah but at least these make me feel good.

Also I would stretch out and say, that those are one of the most genuine statistics I ever came across. GameStar is standing on neutral ground regarding the endings, defending both sides.

Modifié par MOELANDER, 26 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[emperoralku]

blacqout wrote...
It shouldn't take a genius to realise that these polls are far more likely to draw in those that dislike the endings....

Based on which evidence?

[ShepnTali]

Germany knows quality, and lack of. They build good stuff.

[Admiral H. Cain]

blacqout wrote...

There are a lot of unacounted for players in your chart.

What's funny is that you're more than willing to draw your own conclusions from limited data when deciding the size of your movement, but you can't do the same thing to make sense of a thought provoking ending.

Hilarious.

Thought provoking... ROFL. I've had turds that were more thought provoking than this ending. 

Mass Effect was never philosophical in nature, which is why no one expected some crackpot philosophical deus ex machina garbage. There's a reason why you're not supposed to use a deus ex machina to move the plot...

[Kyazain]

GorrilaKing wrote...

Kyazain wrote...

Das ist gut!!!!!

Halten Sie die Zeile! (Sorry, I had to use google translate for that one)

Die Stellung, mein Freund...die Stellung.
In German, Kirrahe says "Stellung halten".

Thanks! I noticed it was posted the correct way on the first page. The Google translated one did not look right.

I know a little bit of German, but not enough to carry a conversation. I probably know as much German as a one year old!!! I still like to speak it, though!

[Deschi]

Mass Effect was never philosophical in nature, which is why no one expected some crackpot philosophical deus ex machina garbage. There's a reason why you're not supposed to use a deus ex machina to move the plot...

Exactly! Better said the philosophical questions had always been very sublimal regarding other smart stuff and allegories which played more in the foreground like political and sociological motives,

[The Lightspeaker]

Fhear wrote...

ROFL - non-germans are speaking german-jibberish :-P
Nice try, mates! ;-)

Yes - the poll is indeed representative for most of the players. I ask myself - WHY we should be the minority? If these polls were online on the BSN-site - then: okay. But there are many other polls on general gaming sites. Everybody could vote there...

P.S.: My english is not very good, also ^^

The majority of pro-ending people are desparately clinging to the fact that there hasn't been a poll including every single person who owns a copy of Mass Effect 3. Despite the fact that multiple polls across multiple sites, even sites like IGN which have been promoting a VERY negative line on the Retake movement, have massive, massive majorities against the current ending.

No the data isn't absolutely conclusive, but multiple independent polls from different population pools all heavily showing one result is definitely an indicative trend.

In fact I'd argue that the ones who are biased in favour of are the pro-ending crowd. People who are against the ending have been slammed in the media, criticised by people in the business and are faced with constant repeated threads on these very forums telling them they're a bunch of simple-minded whining crybaby idiots who don't know what they're talking about. It'd be so easy to just go along with those in favour of the ending and avoid being associated with all of that. However in a poll people are more likely to vote because it takes a matter of a moment to do so and its anonymous, which helps remove some of that bias.

[Selaine]

MOELANDER wrote...
Yeah but at least these make me feel good.

Also I would strecth out and say, that those are one of the most egnuine statistics I ever came across. GameStar is standing on neutral ground regarding the endings, defending both sides.

i can sign this. Gamestar is imo one of the last 'more or less neutral ' game magazines.

i think we are, sadly, a minority - compared to all the copies that were shipped (and sold). but we are the vocal majority! most of the audience only consumes (fanbase). some post in forums/blogs (vocal) and some take action (launch fan clubs, cosplay..)

one way to get solid numbers would be to force the players to take part in a poll when you try to start mass effect over origin and you have allready beaten the game (with that address exactly the desired audience)

i don't think bioware is going to do that.. heheh...