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[Tracido]

@MOELANDER Fair enough. Vega's quote did make me smile by the way. Though, now I'm suddenly thinking about my space hamster and who the heck will care for the little one, even Kelly died in mine before the ending. XD

[Quietness]

Dridengx wrote...

a poll of 23k germans and whiners win by 72%?  That's worse than America. These 'polls' everyone keeps reffering to are not helping your 'cause' sure the percentage is high, but the poll voters are low. too low to make a difference.

23k gamers to represent a country? to represent sales? that's ****** poor low.

23k plus Retake's 52,000 (global) (assuming no germans are part of Retake)  = 75,000 whiners

75,000 whiners pretending to be the majority of the gamers who purchased Mass Effect 3. Pretending to represent 91% of the sales.

Just because you win polls you passed around doesn't mean anything. Numbers do. truth is people who enjoy games don't search around the internet for polls and forums to whine or talk about it. haters do, trolls do, whiners do. You guys have been finding articles, websites, reviews, and polls from websites never heard of like gamefront... forbes what gamer actually reads that crap? lol. Angry Joe? this is a random nobody who got destroyed by Geoff Keightly suddenly he's your hero.

I think all the space magic hold the line group needs an IQ test, color me impressed if they score higher than 80.

Sorry but by your logic there are only 678 (apparently down 2 from yesterday) people who support the ending (https://www.facebook...44005192318904/ ) That means over 2 million people that dont. 

Just because people havent weighed in does not mean they enjoy the ending.

Modifié par Quietness, 26 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[KEIOS]

 Sure all those polls are not scientifically representative, since every owner of the game had to be asked, or at least 1000+ of them, randomly picked. Still if it was only a minority, there should be polls, where ending-lovers get the majority, but there isn't a single poll which shows tenth of thousands who actually loved the ending. There isn't even a vocal Pro-Ending Movement, which would show, that the fanbase is splitted in equally Pro and Con. 
I think that the real majority of players just enjoyed the game and just accepted the ending the way it is, since this is a behaviour many people tend to in most of their actions. They aren't pro or con. They just play it, the way it is and that's the part of customers, on which a large company can always count on, as long as they deliver a certain standard on their products.

Mass Effect 3 is an awesome game and i enjoyed 99,9% of it. I did not feel bad with the ending, when i played through the first time, since i thought, this would be the way, my decisions have brought me on. Sure i didn't understand, why it have to come down to the ABC Ending and the Normandy Crash etc. But those questions weren't relevant for me at this time, since it only felt bad, since i had played through and now Shepards Voyage was over.

I believe that there are many, if not the majority of players, who felt like that. 

Still it does not mean, that the majority is pro- or con-ending. 

Then i started a second playthrough to see what happens, when i take another option, only to find out, that the ending was the same in another color. How many players are playing a game twice? I think that is where the minoritys begin and where the real fanbase is. And here people should accept, that even though the majority of all customers do not really care about the ending, since ME was only another title they have bought and played and now are moving on to another, the majority of the fanbase have questions that need to be answered. 

If BW would ignore them, they could still make good and successful games. Still they would miss the opportunity to get them close to perfection. And it is the fanbase that gives everything a second thought and helps to clean out the edges. They are the ones that keeps them pushing to their best. And i think the Retake Movement is not about spoiled and whiny Kids, but the toughest critics that are not satisfied with mediocre results.

And what i do not understand about those who really love the ending and are not just here to troll - what are you arguing against? You already got what you wanted. If future DLC gives alternative endings, you do not have to chose them.

[nupfi]

blunznsepp wrote...

nupfi wrote...

This poll is not from Germany alone... I voted there too and am from Austria. ^^

+1 here

lol I could tell that you are from Austria just by looking at your nickname.

[dukiduki]

Of course the poll is not representative, no polls on the Internet are but Gamestar is the most important gaming magazine in Germany and if you start looking at internet polls for support this is not a bad place to start (for the german-speaking part of Europe at least).

And hi to my fellow Germans here.

[sorentoft]

If you can trust our rigid Germanic cousins to the south with anything it is to make everything seem so organized.

[t_i_e_]

sorentoft wrote...

If you can trust our rigid Germanic cousins to the south with anything it is to make everything seem so organized.

I cringed.

[snakeboy86]

Bioware wouldn't like it when the Germans fans get angry

[Gernbuster]

Hope so

[Dmthoth]

Na ja..
There is same reaction in south korea too.

[TekFanX]

A saying in germany: "Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei."
Translation: "Everything has an end, only the sausage has two."

For my part: For a sausage, it's not good if either one of these endings is green or blue.

[jonal11]

What I like best is if you compare the 2 polls, the numbers for those who haven't completed the game is about the same number that doesn't think Bioware should change the end. Coincidence? I think not. I will be saving them a spot on the line.

Modifié par jonal11, 26 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[ardias89]

Ich liebe Deutchland! Wir sind nich so unterschiedlich! Hope this is right...

[MOELANDER]

snakeboy86 wrote...

Bioware wouldn't like it when the Germans fans get angry

Ze german fans?

BioWare ahs pissed off ze german KAISER!

He is now running around and asking: Where Is my ending? I will build a big fleet and invade Kanada for my ending!

GOTT ERHALTE DEN KAISER!

[Ieldra]

GameStar is a good source for a poll. Their commentator has written about the ME3 ending controversy in a very reasonable way, not taking our side but understanding why fans feel disappointed. He even concedes that choices do indeed not matter for the end and if players expected that, they'd be disappointed. Which he wasn't because he didn't expect it.

@Moelander:
You're 94 years out of touch.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[savionen]

Dridengx wrote...

a poll of 23k germans and whiners win by 72%?  That's worse than America. These 'polls' everyone keeps reffering to are not helping your 'cause' sure the percentage is high, but the poll voters are low. too low to make a difference.

23k gamers to represent a country? to represent sales? that's ****** poor low.

23k plus Retake's 52,000 (global) (assuming no germans are part of Retake)  = 75,000 whiners

75,000 whiners pretending to be the majority of the gamers who purchased Mass Effect 3. Pretending to represent 91% of the sales.

Just because you win polls you passed around doesn't mean anything. Numbers do. truth is people who enjoy games don't search around the internet for polls and forums to whine or talk about it. haters do, trolls do, whiners do. You guys have been finding articles, websites, reviews, and polls from websites never heard of like gamefront... forbes what gamer actually reads that crap? lol. Angry Joe? this is a random nobody who got destroyed by Geoff Keightly suddenly he's your hero.

I think all the space magic hold the line group needs an IQ test, color me impressed if they score higher than 80.

75%~ wanted the ending changed, the majority of the rest defended it as art.  Closer to 95% of people in that poll said the ending was bad. I also doubt that the amount of sales in Germany is close to the number in the United States, so 25k people is a decent representation.

IGN had a poll with similar results, if you feel that smaller websites aren't trusted. People that loved the ending would be doing the same people people that hated it do. Try to find ways to discuss it.

Modifié par savionen, 26 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[Kilshrek]

blacqout wrote...

You may want to familairise yourself with the concept of selection bias. It shouldn't take a genius to realise that these polls are far more likely to draw in those that dislike the endings... but it apparently does.

It's selection bias when you go to places where you expect to find a sample population sympathetic to one choice or another. BSN is one such place.

In this case I don't see how internet polls across different segments of gaming society can possibly be perceived to be selection bias. CVG has 86% dissatisfied, Gamestar has a similarly high percentage. Does this mean everyone who voted in CVG also voted in Gamestar, thus skewing the poll? Looking at the forums, there's a higher percentage of dissatisfied players. That can obviously account for some selection bias, but when two separate polls show well over half of respondents favouring one response, I don't too much room for selection bias. I'd ask our French colleagues to provide a poll as well, if that would satisfy you.

Again, I say you're reaching.

The BSN polls may be selection biased, but polls across other gaming news sites(rarely regular news since there are better things to do with those) seem to show that at least half of the people who have played ME 3 are unsatisfied by the ending.

Find me a poll from any half reliable source that says quite definitely that people didn't mind the endings. It doesn't matter where you source it from, just show me more than 3 polls where an overwhelming majority show support for the ending instead of being bitterly disappointed.

[Ziggeh]

Kilshrek wrote...

It's selection bias when you go to places where you expect to find a sample population sympathetic to one choice or another. BSN is one such place.

It's selection bias if people are involving themselves in the poll based on their opinion, or to put it another way: people only vote in internet polls if they care.

Internet polls cannot tell you anything about a group wider than the one that exists within the poll. This doesn't make them useless. We can clearly say lots of people did not like the ending, we just can't use them to say "most".

[Stigweird85]

While these polls show a high percentage of people unhappy with the ending it is only a small percentage of sales.

Rough estimates put sales at 3.5million in the first few days. Most polls I have seen(please show me examples otherwise) have barely touched the 50,000 votes mark. Even if you assume no cross over and pick the top 10 (each at around 50,000) highest polls it averages out at 500000.

500 000 is a far cry from 3 500 000 while it is still a percentage(round up to 15) it is hardly the 80-90% that "fans" keep shouting from the rooftops about.

Polls are also biased as detailed above as with the right question you can get the same person to give you completly contradictory answers.

People are entitled to their opinion but please don't state things as facts with meaningless statistics.

[DJBare]

blacqout wrote...

There are a lot of unacounted for players in your chart.

What's funny is that you're more than willing to draw your own conclusions from limited data when deciding the size of your movement, but you can't do the same thing to make sense of a thought provoking ending.

Hilarious.

The ending was very thought provoking!, I could not stop thinking "what the hell just happened!?"

[Asepsis]

Awesome graphs dude!

[luzburg]

bigstig wrote...

While these polls show a high percentage of people unhappy with the ending it is only a small percentage of sales.

Rough estimates put sales at 3.5million in the first few days. Most polls I have seen(please show me examples otherwise) have barely touched the 50,000 votes mark. Even if you assume no cross over and pick the top 10 (each at around 50,000) highest polls it averages out at 500000.

500 000 is a far cry from 3 500 000 while it is still a percentage(round up to 15) it is hardly the 80-90% that "fans" keep shouting from the rooftops about.

Polls are also biased as detailed above as with the right question you can get the same person to give you completly contradictory answers.

People are entitled to their opinion but please don't state things as facts with meaningless statistics.

hmm maybe but last i heard only 1.85 milion copys sold digital and physical.  the 3.5 million is physical copys made
and you can expect a god part of the 1.8 million customers arent hardcore fans and dont really care about the game exept when they bought it and tryed it.  when mass effect 2 launced after the sales dimmed down it was revealed that 20% of customers didnt even finish the game. 

when i tried Mass effect for the first time i went trough it and said formyself "this was crap"
a year later i dusted off the box and tryed it again and loved it

Modifié par luzburg, 26 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[Quietness]

luzburg wrote...

bigstig wrote...

While these polls show a high percentage of people unhappy with the ending it is only a small percentage of sales.

Rough estimates put sales at 3.5million in the first few days. Most polls I have seen(please show me examples otherwise) have barely touched the 50,000 votes mark. Even if you assume no cross over and pick the top 10 (each at around 50,000) highest polls it averages out at 500000.

500 000 is a far cry from 3 500 000 while it is still a percentage(round up to 15) it is hardly the 80-90% that "fans" keep shouting from the rooftops about.

Polls are also biased as detailed above as with the right question you can get the same person to give you completly contradictory answers.

People are entitled to their opinion but please don't state things as facts with meaningless statistics.

hmm maybe but last i heard only 1.85 milion copys sold digital and physical.  the 3.5 million is physical copys made
and you can expect a god part of the 1.8 million customers arent hardcore fans and dont really care about the game exept when they bought it and tryed it.  when mass effect 2 launced afther the sales dimmed  down it was revealed that 20% of customers didnt even finish the game

Shh Shipped obviously = Sold. 

[Computron2000]

Dridengx wrote...

a poll of 23k germans and whiners win by 72%?  That's worse than America. These 'polls' everyone keeps reffering to are not helping your 'cause' sure the percentage is high, but the poll voters are low. too low to make a difference.

23k gamers to represent a country? to represent sales? that's ****** poor low.

23k plus Retake's 52,000 (global) (assuming no germans are part of Retake)  = 75,000 whiners

75,000 whiners pretending to be the majority of the gamers who purchased Mass Effect 3. Pretending to represent 91% of the sales.

Just because you win polls you passed around doesn't mean anything. Numbers do. truth is people who enjoy games don't search around the internet for polls and forums to whine or talk about it. haters do, trolls do, whiners do. You guys have been finding articles, websites, reviews, and polls from websites never heard of like gamefront... forbes what gamer actually reads that crap? lol. Angry Joe? this is a random nobody who got destroyed by Geoff Keightly suddenly he's your hero.

I think all the space magic hold the line group needs an IQ test, color me impressed if they score higher than 80.

Oh, hey you forgot to answer me on the "many" question. You said "many" could NEVER be 3. I asked that if 3 people of of 4 liked bananas, the statement "Many people in the room liked bananas" could be true.

You haven't given me an answer for days. I thought you were evading the question but since from your own post that you're very much smarter with a vast IQ than anyone else here, i would like to hear your answer.

[MOELANDER]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Moelander:
You're 94 years out of touch.

Well it's either the Kaiser people associate or *shudder* that austrian guy Adolf.

So which one would you rather take as a Mock-Mascot?

BTW isn't the Kaiser Reaper just awesome? 

Modifié par MOELANDER, 26 mars 2012 - 04:16 .