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[CptData]

There's something I really wonder: what makes you hating a certain character? 
Won't expect any rational answers here, just keep it civil. No flame war or something. Just want to know why some people -HATE- one or more characters of the game.

I don't have a character in the series that deserves full blown hatred. Not even Kai Leng - his role is too small and not fleshed out enough if you ignore the novels.
And Udina? I dislike him, but "hate"? No idea. He's like a today politician. Career is more important than doing something - and if he's doing something, then it's usually supporting his career in one or another way. 

Also I don't hate any character of the crew.


Now, what does make ppl hating certain characters?

[Aver88]

It's good when people hate characters like Udina. Probably it was devs plan.

About hating crew - you know it's popularity contest. You have to show how you love you favorite character and how you hate other characters if you want to get more scenes with your favorite characters in next games. It's how BioWare works.

Modifié par Aver88, 26 mars 2012 - 09:50 .

[zingro]

I hate space kid because he ruined my game, that's about it. People are emotional meh what can I say.

[CptData]

zingro wrote...

I hate space kid because he ruined my game, that's about it. People are emotional meh what can I say.

Forgot about that one.
But tbh, I don't hate spacechild - I simply hate the endings 'cause lack of closure and plot holes.
Guess that's why I'm a big supporter of the hallucination/indoctrination theory.

[EmGo]

Why not? The game is emotionally engaging.

[CptData]

EmGo wrote...

Why not? The game is emotionally engaging.

Yeah, that explains why ppl LOVE certain characters.
However, I believe (read: don't know) it's easier to love characters than hate 'em.

In my case I used to dislike Liara for a while but love her in ME3. I enjoy her interaction with Shepard. Others may hate her for being that visible - and I wanna know why.

[dukiduki]

Same reason you hate some people irl, they just rub you the wrong way. I hated Ashley because she seemed like a bigoted religious nut with massive overcompensation to me, which is close to the kind of people I dislike IRL as well.

[Made Nightwing]

dukiduki wrote...

Same reason you hate some people irl, they just rub you the wrong way. I hated Ashley because she seemed like a bigoted religious nut with massive overcompensation to me, which is close to the kind of people I dislike IRL as well.

She mentions her belief in God approximately once. Point invalidated. She says that Tali's like a sister to her. Point invalidated.

"A Williams has to be better than the best, if only to avoid suspicion."

[Naamah_bb]

I agree with OP. Hate is just such a strong word. I think you can DISLIKE a character. But hate? I don't get it.

[Knightly_BW]

In my case two characters I dislike (or hate) most are the ones who has little awareness of what military stands for. Jacob threatens Shep and Vega is very undiciplined and immature. Even in loose militaristic order of Normandy crew those two stands out. If I could pass their lame soldier side maybe I can like Vega or Jacob, unfortunately I can't.

I tend to dislike Zaeed but even I can't fully trust him now I respect him to an extend.

[Kastrenzo]

Hey I hated Zaal'Koris in ME2, And I liked the guy in ME3.

but that was a complete change in charachter tone.

as far as squadmates, Certain people like certain charachters based on their "personalities" based on their own real life preferences and experiences.

Taking Female Characters for example, Here's 2 I liked and 2 I didn't,

Samara and Tali I liked, Samara aside from being overzealous, she had a level of integrity and honor that made me respect the charachter a lot more than most people probably do,
And Tali I felt was always the misunderstood one who was on the sidelines, I ended up picking her as my LI *If my Avatar and sigs aren't enough indication* Because even though I try not to get too passionate about video game charachters, I found her to be "sweet", And I found her to be one of the funniest charachters, alongside Mordin and Garrus, Like I said, Everyone has their prefernces

Two Charachters I disliked were Ashley and Miranda,
Miranda I grew to respect over the latter part of ME2 and ME3, But she had quite the superiority complex up until she started whining about her sister.
Ashley on the other hand, Always struck me as being intolerant, racist, arrogant, and just just plain Nasty.

Long story short, the point here is that everyone is going to develop their own conclusions on people, Person A might like Squadmate 1 enough to make them their LI, while Person B hated the squadmates personality so much that they deliberately got them killed or something.

So you can't really blame people for disliking or hating on someone,
That being said, some charachters were made with you disliking them in mind, luckily they weren't your squadmates.

[Made Nightwing]

I would disagree and say that no characters were made with disliking them in mind...with the exception of Kai Leng. Characters were written to be villains, sure, but you were left to form your own opinion of them.

The Illusive Man for instance. He's a badass. Completely cool, confident, and always has a plan. Now maybe I don't like him, but I sure has heck respect him. Udina as well, the Codex explains that he was driven to desperation by the Council's lack of action over Earth, and turned to Cerberus as a desperate measure. I know not all people feel that way, but we are left to make our own opinions of the characters.

Side note: I don't see how Ash can be intolerant, racist or arrogant. She says that she loves Tali like a little sister, puts her life on the line to defend a mostly alien council, and insists that Tali call her 'Ash', not 'Lieutenant Commander'. Its like her detractors deliberately block their ears for every positive thing that she says.

[CptData]

Okay, so far as I get it, some ppl hate certain characters 'cause the first impression wasn't the best one. Examples so far: "Ashley - being bigot religious racist" and "Vega - being not disciplined enough", so to speak.

First impression fuels the hate in case the player refuses to interact with the character / pulls renegade lines on him/her ... giving even more stuff to burn.

Makes sense.

Must say, I tried to get over that "first impression" stuff - and actually, that made me liking Jack. I disliked her first.

[TERASQUE]

I disliked Wrex right from the beginning cause I thought he was ugly and rebellious in ME1, but as time passed, I ended up liking him to the point that I didnt want him shot on Virmire.

Guess its like reality, when you get into a new enviroment (employment or class) you get your first impressions, and they stick with you til proven wrong. Its just the way people work, its easy for us to put people in different folders, how silly this may sound.
If these values and thoughts arent proven wrong, the impressions turns to properties, to a point where youre so biased that it doesnt matter what that person does, you will perceive it as bad / good.

[Knightly_BW]

CptData wrote...

Okay, so far as I get it, some ppl hate certain characters 'cause the first impression wasn't the best one. Examples so far: "Ashley - being bigot religious racist" and "Vega - being not disciplined enough", so to speak.

First impression fuels the hate in case the player refuses to interact with the character / pulls renegade lines on him/her ... giving even more stuff to burn.

Makes sense.

Must say, I tried to get over that "first impression" stuff - and actually, that made me liking Jack. I disliked her first.

Actually on my case Vega is not a first impression thing. He simply don't have a grasp about being a soldier... or maybe in a better wording, have no clue about serving in army/military.

In military
- You can't raise your voice to your superior
- You can't do chin ups while any superior talking to you
- You can't interrupt conversations of him/her while they're talking with another soldier
- In military rank matters. In a room full of higher ranking officers, lowest ranking one listents, obeys and respects. If he/she has any objections they can tell them without being respectful (i.e. don't talk like you are talking with your gang buddies).

Probably those are not really problem of Vega but more of the writer's. My personal opinion about military dicipline is too high I'm afraid. During my time in military I even clashed with my best friends because of that many times.

[CptData]

^ never did by duty in an army, Asperius, but definitely can see where you come from.

Think that's why you have Ash & Kaidan - both seem to be far more military & following the regs than Vega.

[sasasasue]

I think the thing that really got me with Ash was how she was all up for killing Wrex. He was being a bit out of order, but it wasn't enough to shoot him! (Plus Wrex being an absolute BRO) I think that at times she had pretty angry opinions, and they weren't "channelled" very well.

Jack had pretty angry opinions, and I wasn't fond of her either, until ME3 when she decided to channel it into teaching kids, which completely won me over.

I hope Ash redeemed herself in ME3 because she lightened up to Aliens after a while, as an earlier poster said. However, I killed her every time on Virmire :S

[CptData]

Technically, Ash killing Wrex is a player fail. Just do the family armor quest and no one will shoot Wrex Also paragonizing Wrex helps.

But that's a different story.

[Knightly_BW]

@Cpt Data:

I forgot to mention, you are very right about first impressions. Sometimes it makes or break the character for players.

If you would ask me about my disliked characters on my early days of ME2 I would say Mordin (when I heard he has finger in second genophage I simply raged) or Zaeed (I always seen him as a murderous thug).

Things changed when I played Mordin's loyality mission with great attention. Depleted every conversation option and saw how hard for him to face what he did, what his actions caused. His confusion after dead krogan female conversation now brings tears to my eye everytime. Mordin's strongest points are logic and his faith in his work. After that convo I can see big hole opened in his faith.

Zaeed is more funny for me. My opinion about him changed when he said "I did many bad things in my life but this is sick" during Jack's loyality mission. Even his obsession with Vido now seems understandable. That guy have nothing in his life but his revenge and Shepard takes it away from him. Too bad situation involves innocents in danger. Great idea for a mission nonetheless.

[CptData]

Exactly, Asperius. Every single character in the series - with exception of Morinth maybe - has or had a chance to redeem him- or herself.

Zaeed for example? He's not that bad. Actually, that guy seems to get f*cked by life every single day - and still moves on. He never gave up. And that's his redeeming feature.

Jack? Just have some talks with her and check out her career in ME3. She had a pretty much f*cked up life before meeting Shepard - a violent creature, so to speak. And in the end, she discovered her softer side and finally found a purpose for her life. Quite redeeming.

It's really just like that. Every character comes with some major flaws that may destroy first impression. Once you allow yourself to learn more about said character, you start liking him or her. Or find more reasons to dislike that character.

[Aver88]

CptData wrote...
It's really just like that. Every character comes with some major flaws that may destroy first impression. Once you allow yourself to learn more about said character, you start liking him or her. Or find more reasons to dislike that character.

Not every.

[CptData]

Aver88 wrote...

CptData wrote...
It's really just like that. Every character comes with some major flaws that may destroy first impression. Once you allow yourself to learn more about said character, you start liking him or her. Or find more reasons to dislike that character.

Not every.

I mentioned Morinth already

Every other character redeemed him/herself in my eyes. Even Ash. She wasn't my first romance - but the first one in a full playthrough. First one was Liara.

[Neleothesze]

  I dislike both Kaidan and Ashley because they couldn't let go of their prejudice to help me in ME2. As simple as that. All that talk about loyalty, standing together, etc etc boiled down to "Shepard!  You're in bed with the enemy, I'm taking my toys back. You can save the galaxy by yourself.""But I need you...""I don't know who you are anymore, so I'll pile a bit more angst on your plate. Good luck saving us all. And me incidentally."
Shep had plenty of reasons to hate Cerberus (especially with the Sole Survivor background) and yet she sucked it up and did what was necessary. What's more, in ME3, they keep questioning Shep's statements with respect to Cerberus for about one third of the game... She's the commanding officer, they agreed to serve under her but they keep needling and pushing and hinting. I hated that my Shep was forced to visit Ash in the hospital. We brought her to the Citadel. Good deed done for the day. Conscience clear.
Aside from those two, I don't think there's anyone I really dislike (and even then it's not 'hate'). I happen to think making Kai Leng undefeatable during the first few encounters for plot's sake was pretty lame, but that's not the character's fault. As a Vanguard, Shep could have easily Biotic Charged up to him getting between him and the salarian councilor... as an Infiltrator she could have lined a shot from above and taken him out from stealth. And those are just two examples. Meh. 

[Knightly_BW]

You are not forced to visit VS on hospital. Just not visiting them have some impact on game, that's all.

[Avolie]

I don't "hate" anyone ... but some characters I just don't like. Jacob, Kelly, Diana Allers for example. I think they are boring.