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[Zaasz]

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving.

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

[Embrosil]

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.

Modifié par Embrosil, 26 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[orangesonic]

if it wasn`t THAT bad, reasonable people wouldnt complain about it... dont u think so??
As long as nobody attacks anyone, as has happened before, no need to apologize for comments since Bioware always said that the feedback is important in theirs creation

[Farbautisonn]

Apologize? Nope never. As an individual I havent "attacked" bioware. However I have called into question the better judgement of several individuals of the company "bioware" . I do not see any reason to apologize.

they didnt apologize to me after DA2, The Bazaar bit, Deception or ME3 and they still refuse to. So why should I ? Im the guy who shelled out for ther crap, not the other way around?

[AkiKishi]

No, you take responsibility for what you deliver.

[Bojan1es]

Embrosil wrote...

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also aplogize? I do not think so.

Blunt.. but very well put, kinda sums up alot of the views i've seen posted.

[Vez04]

Better. BioWare should just have kept there mouth shutted about there Game info ''A deep and comprehensive history
The interactive narrative technique provides a unique experience with several different possible endings, depending on the decisions you make. Mass Effect 3 will revolutionize the emotional gaming experience.''

Which was just a bunch of PR/marketing money grap.

Since then no one would be be depressed by Casey and co as of today.

Never promise your consumers info you don't promise in the end result.

Modifié par Vez04, 26 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[Farbautisonn]

Link written by "Andrew Whipple III"? Are you ****ting me? Lulz...

[Farbautisonn]

BobSmith101 wrote...

No, you take responsibility for what you deliver.

[bleachorange]

H*LL NO. They made their bed, and now they have to lie in it. Poetic justice, I suppose, since they lied to us.

[darkshadow136]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Apologize? Nope never. As an individual I havent "attacked" bioware. However I have called into question the better judgement of several individuals of the company "bioware" . I do not see any reason to apologize.

they didnt apologize to me after DA2, The Bazaar bit, Deception or ME3 and they still refuse to. So why should I ? Im the guy who shelled out for ther crap, not the other way around?

I agree. Tis is not just about ME3, the slow Indoctrination if you will started when EA bought into Bioware, and ever since then the company has not changed for the better. I will not apologize to a company that in the past few years has done nothing to earn that respect.

[Scarecrow_ES]

Personally... I can agree with so many of the extremely high scores the game has received. Playing the game, it feels in every way, from a gameplay perspective, superior to previous games in the series and many of it's contemporaries. Many of the story-telling devices and implementations are far better too. If I had to review the game based purely on everything but the last 10 minutes, I would give it a 10/10 too.

However... including those last 10 minutes, I would say the game is an outright tragedy of Titanic proportions. So much so that those 10 minutes alone completely ruin the experience of not only THIS game, but of all 3 games in the series as a whole. Upon seeing the first of my endings (and especially after replaying the end to get all 3 of my possible endings), I felt that all of the investment I had made in literally hundreds of gameplay hours of my time over the course of 3 games (I had played ME1 through 8 complete times, by the way, and 3 for ME2) had been wasted.

Should BioWare catch flak for delivering a nearly perfect game with one extremely large, series-breaking flaw. In a word, yes. Yes they should.

[Teddie Sage]

Embrosil wrote...

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also aplogize? I do not think so.

This.

[Elhanan]

While reasonable people might complain, they would not attack; not a reasoned response.

And if dessert upset your tummy, reasonable people would not demand another.

Few reasonable conclusions, perhaps.....

[Sezarious]

"Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad?"

I think the word "Personally" is where you are making a mistake.

Now granted, there have been inappropriate personal attacks and threats made against writers.  Yes, I think these comments will require an apology in time.  But the anger and arguing won't stop until the problem is fixed.

The attacks against the game itself and Bioware are complaints about a service, which did not yield as satisfying.  And no matter how much of the game is "ART", if only a fraction of it is considered a product, then it is vulnerable to all the rules of a product.

Personal attacks - No

Attacks against massive corporations that CAN handle it.  Hell yes, bring on the fire and brimstone.

[bleachorange]

Elhanan wrote...

While reasonable people might complain, they would not attack; not a reasoned response.

And if dessert upset your tummy, reasonable people would not demand another.

Few reasonable conclusions, perhaps.....

I question if your dessert costs you $60 and and takes 40 hours to consume. I might want a replacement in that situation.

Modifié par bleachorange, 26 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[Khayness]

Funny article, he calls out everyone for speculating then starts to point out that Indoctrination Theory is at work, which is another wild mass guessing, and we are stupid to notice.

What.

[Elhanan]

bleachorange wrote...

I question if your dessert costs you $60 and and takes 40 hours to consume. I might want a replacement in that situation.

The entire meal cost that much; not the dessert. And as a great many folks did not become ill, the problem is not with the product, but with the finicky opinions of the patrons.

That said, the examples are useless. The game is apparently praiseworthy until the end; a common phrase written by complaining fans. They did not care for the ending, and some of these decided to tank reviews as a coersive effort to either get a refund, or to try and get a new ending to the story.

Personally, I think Bioware is being gracious by not only considering altering the conclusion, but allowing the so0called fans a n opportunity to post complaints in their free Forums.

As for me, it would never take someone from my family to take that long to consume a meal; more like locusts at harvest.

[Stormrider321]

 I'll apologize when the ending is either changed, or canonically declared to be a hallucination and a new ending takes place after.

[Sleek]

I havent finished the game yet, LOVED ME2 after ALL DLC the game felt like a epic RPG,ME3 is good so far not great the lack of squad members is a dissapointment. I thought yo should have been able to use certain squad members for there qualified missions. Like GRUNT on Tuchanka and ThAnE ONE LAST TIME or the female Krogan on the squad.They really missed the epic feel on the squad members.No Jack at the school for the kids ???

[Sleek]

And we should have been able to use Legion !!!

[Aetius5]

I love Bioware, or at least I did from BG to DA:O/ME2. Even if they did the best job humanly possible to modify the ending, I will never apologize. Its their job to make customers happy, so they can persuade us to spend money on their products. They already have my money from the CE of this game, and if they do a bang up job on their next game, I will buy it too, but not preorder.

[ShadowHawk141]

Embrosil wrote...

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.

I agree with this totaly ^
For me the whole Mass Effect series have been invluenced because of the bad ending and the plotholes in ME3, so when I start to throw up everything comes out.

But:

I've seen hate posts towards Bioware that are uncalled for though "I wanna see them burn" is one of them.
I think that's wrong, I'm very displeased with the way Me3 is right now and also by the lack of responce by Bioware but posts like that are imho uncalled for.
I don't want to see Bioware go down, they've made mistakes (Me3 ending and the promisses made) but they also make great games and I for one would like to see them make more.
Appologize for the rest of the game no, appologize for certain hate posts, deffinatly.

[bleachorange]

Elhanan wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

I question if your dessert costs you $60 and and takes 40 hours to consume. I might want a replacement in that situation.

The entire meal cost that much; not the dessert. And as a great many folks did not become ill, the problem is not with the product, but with the finicky opinions of the patrons.

That said, the examples are useless. The game is apparently praiseworthy until the end; a common phrase written by complaining fans. They did not care for the ending, and some of these decided to tank reviews as a coersive effort to either get a refund, or to try and get a new ending to the story.

Personally, I think Bioware is being gracious by not only considering altering the conclusion, but allowing the so0called fans a n opportunity to post complaints in their free Forums.

As for me, it would never take someone from my family to take that long to consume a meal; more like locusts at harvest.

Fair enough. But I disagree with praiseworthy until the end. Before I could sit back and really examine it, I had that ending dropped on me, and Blood Rage kicked in. There are other issues with the game, I've even posted some in polls.

[Well]

Zaasz wrote...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving.

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

Bioware is a company.They did not live up to their hype.Oh wait it is ok to say one thing and deliver another.Everyone else does it.Unfortunately that doesnt cut it.As far as personel attacks.I am not apoligizing for something I didn't do.I never singled out any writer.Just a note:It was a 6.5 in my book before the ending.If you feel like giving a apology.More power to you.Your choice not mine.I've been a avid reader for over 45 years.If that isn't the most lame excuse for a ending I don't know what is.Space magic and that bogus dialog don't cut it.Just to some who think the consumer doesn't have a right to complain.Wrong answer.If I shorted BW on money you know they would respond.It works both ways.