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[Mars8309]

Bioware stated that the gamers and the fans are co-creators. So if that is the case the co-creators object to the current ending. The co-creators shouldn't apologized for a poorly structed ending of leaving more questions than tying everything up.
Or do you like to play games that the ending doesn't make sense on the choices that you made in the game?

[Farbautisonn]

jreezy wrote...

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

No.

If anything, BioWare owe the fans an apology for that disastrous ending.

Which they've already done. So what's your problem? 

-They did? Where?

[Mars8309]

Farbautisonn wrote...

jreezy wrote...

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

No.

If anything, BioWare owe the fans an apology for that disastrous ending.

Which they've already done. So what's your problem? 

-They did? Where?

Where, when, and why it wasn't sticky'd?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Short of personal attacks on BioWare employees or each other, anything and everything ought to be game.

If your opinion is well constructed and well argued, it will garner support and be valuable to the discussion; regardless of how sharp it may be worded. If your opinion is not well constructed or well argued, it won't attract support or add value to the discussion; regardless of how polite it might be worded.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 27 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[Embrosil]

xsdob wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.

If you try to put that resturant out of buisness, insult all the staff, set up a charity to make them change your desert, deamdn they refund everyones meals for the day, file a complaint with the food and drug administrations, and bomb every review system in the entire town, than yes, I think an apology might very well be in order for an over reaction.

Complaining about the desert is fine, doing everything in your power to make them finincally crippled is not.

So it is wrong to ask for a new dessert which will not make me vomit? Really? Geez, can I sell you my car? I will not tell you that the hand brake does not work and it leaks oil, but hey, if you overlook this, the car is perfect. So it is o.k., is it not?

Modifié par Embrosil, 27 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Rodia Driftwood]

Apologize?. Maybe. Some people should.

I genuinely care about the company. I just have mixed feelings about their affiliation with EA, a soul less obelisk of destruction. I know it's an industry and money has to come from somewhere and somehow, but thinking about business models and how the gaming industry is today, make me doubt.

[Dridengx]

Embrosil wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.

If you try to put that resturant out of buisness, insult all the staff, set up a charity to make them change your desert, deamdn they refund everyones meals for the day, file a complaint with the food and drug administrations, and bomb every review system in the entire town, than yes, I think an apology might very well be in order for an over reaction.

Complaining about the desert is fine, doing everything in your power to make them finincally crippled is not.

So it is wrong to ask a new dessert which will not make me vomit? Really? Geez, can I sell you my car? I will not tell you that the hand brake does not work and it leaks oil, but hey, if you overlook this, the car is perfect. So it is o.k., is it not?

lol seriously? these analogies lol. its not like you guys are talking soo deep you need to make it easier to understand.. on second thought maybe some of you need them lol

[PaulRodney]

Yes you should all apologise for being ungrateful little ****s. Bioware has excelled at keeping us entertained over the years. They have done an excellent job in storytelling and such up to this last point that lasts 10 minutes in the final game.


Get over it. Most of you act like children always wanting to get it your own way.

[Mars8309]

thats the thing paul. the 3 games are set up the way the player wants to go that way. But at the end the game all the years of thinking "i made great decisions to this galaxy" ends up by 3 choices..mainly 2. But all the decisions made through out the games. If you don't get that that is on you. While others that are angry and disappointed feel betray'd.
Telling people to "get over it" is acting like a child. Don't like what many people think don't comment in threads that you think most of the ones that hate the end act like children. That would be the mature way of not responding.

[LilyasAvalon]

As long as one hasn't made personal attacks, either physically or psychologically on a Bioware staff member, I don't think apologizing is necessary.

Why should a consumer apologize for giving critism to a product they believe is faulty?

If Bioware properly addresses the issue however, a community thank you should be in order.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 27 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[RukiaKuchki]

Aurica wrote...

The only way for them to get their attention and take it seriously are the hard numbers. If the Sales figures plummeted, then they would have the urgency to do something about it.

I totally understand what you're saying, but the hard numbers for ME3 show that it has sold extremely well. The last I heard, it has shipped 3.5 million+ (maybe it's more now), so it's probably sold somewhere close to that number. The excitement for this game was so intense that most people pre-ordered it or bought it on the release date, so really encouraging people not to buy isn't going to make a significant impact on this title now. And trading it in isn't going to impact negatively on Bioware because they don't stand to profit from second hand sales anyway (excluding perhaps people buying an online pass). Maybe people can choose not to buy the DLC...but will they really abstain? As peeved as people are, I would bet my first born that the majority will still buy whatever DLC comes their way because their passion for the Mass Effect universe will ultimately overule their annoyance with the ending. Maybe people could protest future (un-related) Bioware titles - but do you think it would be fair to punish those working on a completely seperate project? Maybe all of these actions could cause Bioware to plummet in value and credibility, and they have to close. No more games, the market continues to be saturated with vapid Call of Duty clones and sub-standard Resident Evil games. So who wins here? Not us, that's for sure.

It's been repeated many times that the people complaining really do constitute a very passionate, vociferous minority. The group raising money for Child's Play achieved c.80k members. That is a very small percentage of 3.5 million. Most (if not all) of the online polls are heavily skewed towards to the 'hate-the-ending' crowd, but arguably they don't represent a true cross section of those 3.5 million people who purchased the game.  So what I'm saying is, could any of this group who demand a change to the ending have as much of a financial impact on EA/Bioware as they would like? Probably not. So in reality, Bioware doesn't have to address any of the criticisms that have been thrown their way. The fact that they will says a lot about Bioware because most (if not all) other studios would shrug their shoulders and do nothing.

[abaris]

PaulRodney wrote...

Yes you should all apologise for being ungrateful little ****s. Bioware has excelled at keeping us entertained over the years. They have done an excellent job in storytelling and such up to this last point that lasts 10 minutes in the final game.


Get over it. Most of you act like children always wanting to get it your own way.

Which is their job. They make a living of keeping customers entertained.

And Bioware is still a company, not a human being. Their products aren't labors of love, but labors of profit. Which is all right and the reason for their existence, but it's also the customers right to voice their discontent. Just as with any other product that usually isn't put on a pedestal of adoration like some games.

Modifié par abaris, 27 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[Farbautisonn]

Dridengx wrote...

lol seriously? these analogies lol. its not like you guys are talking soo deep you need to make it easier to understand.. on second thought maybe some of you need them lol

-You needed a gif and implied ad hominems to get your point across. How "deep" is that? 

[RukiaKuchki]

abaris wrote...

And Bioware is still a company, not a human being. Their products aren't labors of love, but labors of profit.

You couldn't be more wrong! Of course they are labours of love! You are so cynical! How could they have done this for 10 years without passion? Of course it helps when that passion makes money. We'd all pursue our labours of love if they made money, but of course most of them don't. Bioware is a company, but behind that name is a collective of very talented people who work very, very hard and are affected by the negativity surrounding ME3.

[Jaysh]

No. I just waisted a lot of money. Bioware should apologize to us.

[Sakanade]

CrustyBot wrote...

Nice try OP, or should I say Bioware employee.

Almost had me there for a moment.

In any case, I have not taken part in personal attacks on Bioware or EA, so no, me apologizing is not even neccesary.

Modifié par Sakanade, 27 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[chengthao]

no . . . the endings essentially ruin the entire series, everything you've done in the three games is just washed away by an ending that has no relation with the rest of the game(s)

as consumers we have a right to voice our displeasure, since we . . . you know . . . gave them our money

whether or not they change the endings is their right but that doesn't mean we don't have a voice

obviously they listen, if they didn't, they wouldn't have made their own forum to discuss their games

[MaximilianPS]

I was wandering what would you expect, at the end nothig change so much... but I guess the main problem of this game is the multi-platform.
Bioware, which is under EA control can't develop any revolutionary system 'cause the game must run on console which isn't capable to store many stuff how a pc can.

And this is why the first ME haves so many explorable areas and so many interaction... more close the tilte get to console more strict will be the rusles... the dead of a title like The Wticher (which wa brutally messed up with the second release is the proof of my guess).

This is it. put your soul in peace. Console cannot be compared to a PC and more console means less quality.
If they get back to develop the game for computers, and playing with keyboard and mouse, and then converting the game to the other platform, maybe, the ME4 will be a decent game... event.. not

and for the 4578 times, I would say:
GIVE US A FREE OPEN SPACE WITH A FREE OPEN AND EXPLORABLE CITADEL.
this will give you tons of expansion options, and us hours and hours of fun...
... or hire me to drive you

Modifié par MaximilianPS, 27 mars 2012 - 01:44 .

[Rafficus III]

All I have to say is, if you were part of the "let's insult Bioware with a tidal wave of scathing remarks because it's our consumer right to" group, then yes. Let's just say your daughter/son, little sister/brother, or niece/nephew made a macaroni plate and they presented it to the teacher. What would you do if the teacher slapped it down, called it trash, gave the small child a zero for failing to produce acceptable art by the teacher's standards, and then proceeded to say many personal insults. You would want to punch their teeth in. Some have been fair with their criticisms, some have been downright juvenile and an embarrassment to the ME community as a whole. The game is a great game, excluding opinions on the ending, it doesn't deserve the amount of trolling it is receiving.

[Farbautisonn]

BrotherWarth wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

All I have to say is, if you were part of the "let's insult Bioware with a tidal wave of scathing remarks because it's our consumer right to" group, then yes. Let's just say your daughter/son, little sister/brother, or niece/nephew made a macaroni plate and they presented it to the teacher. What would you do if the teacher slapped it down, called it trash, gave the small child a zero for failing to produce acceptable art by the teacher's standards, and then proceeded to say many personal insults. You would want to punch their teeth in. Some have been fair with their criticisms, some have been downright juvenile and an embarrassment to the ME community as a whole. The game is a great game, excluding opinions on the ending, it doesn't deserve the amount of trolling it is receiving.

You're comparing Bioware to children. That's stupid. The people who made ME3 are adults who have made good games before and should be able to take a little hardship.

-This.

Bioware doesnt employ children I believe. They are all adults and all adults have to own up to their work.

[Rafficus III]

BrotherWarth wrote...

You're comparing Bioware to children. That's stupid. The people who made ME3 are adults who have made good games before and should be able to take a little hardship.

You can use it as a framework for whatever your heart desires. You can substitute it as a grown artist and a person simply attending an art museum. It is still the same groundwork and idea. You are not validated in treating others terribly because you feel entitled to it; and in an embarrassing fashion I might add.