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[Persephone]

addiction21 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Let me put it this way:

Those who harassed, sent threats, review bombed, demanded, lied etc. SHOULD be apologizing for being....well, need I say it?

Do you think those people would? Do you think those people ever thought or think they did something wrong?

No, they won't. Takes guts to adjust a rating that came about in the heat of the moment. Takes even more guts to admit that you got carried away and crossed a line. No, they really won't. And sadly, theirs are the loudest voices.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I like Javik as well. I just hate the whole DLC for 10 dollars on launch day.

Agreed.

It was awful PR to say the least. If something is ready on launch day, it should be in the game and NOT DLC.

I still got the CE. I am just weak like that.

And Javik's exchange with Liara after Thessia alone was worth it!:O:O

[Iamnotahater]

Of all the people to feel sorry for in this mess Bioware is last on my list...

Say your car runs fine 2 months and then completely breaks down, you bring it into the dealer. You both know it's defective when you bought it (a lemon) but they haven't decided whether to charge you to fix it or not.

Do you apologize for the mess? No.

[AtreiyaN7]

Embrosil wrote...

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.

You should apologize when you've been acting like a child and insulting or outright threatening the devs in my opinion. Your analogy seems just a smidge ridiculous to me. Even if you hate dessert and vomit, that doesn't entitle you to scream at the kitchen staff over it.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[Persephone]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Of all the people to feel sorry for in this mess Bioware is last on my list...

Say your car runs fine 2 months and then completely breaks down, you bring it into the dealer. You both know it's defective when you bought it (a lemon) but they haven't decided whether to charge you to fix it or not.

Do you apologize for the mess? No.

A car breaking down isn't the same thing as being let down by a game's story/ending. A game's ending doesn't endanger your life, for one.

Never mind that it's not the asking for what you want/feel the game needs that requires an apology.

It's some of the METHODS used to achieve that aim that are downright appalling.

Modifié par Persephone, 28 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[Iamnotahater]

Insult the devs?

There's a difference between insulting the devs and insulting their "art".

Also there will be crazies in every crowd, just because some choose to go overboard doesn't change the fact that there were plenty who didn't who still thought the ending sucked.

There's also been plenty people on the other side like yourself trying to marginalize opinions with strawmans using the same tactics they purport to hate.

[Persephone]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Also there will be crazies in every crowd, just because some choose to go overboard doesn't change the fact that there were plenty who didn't who still thought the ending sucked.

There's also been plenty people on the other side like yourself trying to marginalize opinions with strawmans using the same tactics they purport to hate.

Never said otherwise.

Er....no, I really, really NOT. It's not the opinions I have a problem with.

[ImperaTodd]

If any of you have made personal attacks against devs or PR people, yes you should apologize. I have seen several posts that are inexcusable. Many other with things the poster wouldn't dare say to some one's face and many that would upset the poster if those statements were made about them or their work. Those people need to apologize bottom line none of the "expressing my opinion BS". If you think your opinion warrants abuse of others prepare for consequences. We can critique works without becoming savages. That said there are many posts that are civil, honest and constructive, these posts/posters require no apology.

[Zaasz]

Persephone wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Let me put it this way:

Those who harassed, sent threats, review bombed, demanded, lied etc. SHOULD be apologizing for being....well, need I say it?

Do you think those people would? Do you think those people ever thought or think they did something wrong?

No, they won't. Takes guts to adjust a rating that came about in the heat of the moment. Takes even more guts to admit that you got carried away and crossed a line. No, they really won't. And sadly, theirs are the loudest voices.

I couldn't agree more. Sometimes people jump on the hate wagon just because they can. Did anybody feel this way about Halo 3 when it came out? Strangely no. Remember the whole "FINISH THE FIGHT" slogan they kept drilling into our skulls? Well we didn't finish the fight and it couldn't have left a more open ending. Why didn't people bash the hell out of that game?

My point is that Mass Effect 3 was a good game through and through. Being mad because the ending didn't go your way is ridiculous. Right now this whole indocrination thing is still a theory, but what else could it be? Writers who give us something as amazing as ME3 don't just crap out in the final minutes of the game. I refuse to believe that.

[jds1bio]

Zaasz wrote...

My point is that Mass Effect 3 was a good game through and through. Being mad because the ending didn't go your way is ridiculous. Right now this whole indocrination thing is still a theory, but what else could it be? Writers who give us something as amazing as ME3 don't just crap out in the final minutes of the game. I refuse to believe that.

Watch this video, and your beliefs just might change.  It is emotion and theory free.

[clipped_wolf]

An answer to OP. No.

[DarthCaine]

Are you kidding me? They should apologize to us

[CARL_DF90]

This article sums everything that's wrong with ME3 quite nicely. Glad I found it.

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[Emphyr]

Well i see no reason at all. Bioware shipped me a game i payed 80 euros for with a Massive Face Import Bug ( which i am sure that they were very aware of) I cannot import My shep from 1 and 2 into 3 ( facial structure) The price here has dropped now to 49,- euro. I have the game eating dust now more as 3 weeks. In the topic issues with Facial Structure import Bioware never even posted an apologize. So why should i apologize to them?

( still no patch is available)

Take Care
Regards from The Netherlands.

[Zhuinden]

They haven't apologized for making false claims about the game either.
Why would we for calling that out on them?

[Ghost Warrior]

Most people just like to see the worst in everything,that's the problem. It's human nature and it's sucks but there it is.

However,there are exceptions. I salute them.

[weltraumhamster89]

Sezarious wrote...

"Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad?"

I think the word "Personally" is where you are making a mistake.

Now granted, there have been inappropriate personal attacks and threats made against writers.  Yes, I think these comments will require an apology in time.  But the anger and arguing won't stop until the problem is fixed.

The attacks against the game itself and Bioware are complaints about a service, which did not yield as satisfying.  And no matter how much of the game is "ART", if only a fraction of it is considered a product, then it is vulnerable to all the rules of a product.

Personal attacks - No

Attacks against massive corporations that CAN handle it.  Hell yes, bring on the fire and brimstone.

This, good Sir.

And I will NOT apologize for me complaining - I never attacked anyone personally but just expressed my feeling of being betrayed what I was promised, I even paid for the CE and preordered it. But since DA2 I should not wonder anymore, BW is gone. Quick rush-jobs called "games" are supposedly "in".

[Lunatic LK47]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Of all the people to feel sorry for in this mess Bioware is last on my list...

Say your car runs fine 2 months and then completely breaks down, you bring it into the dealer. You both know it's defective when you bought it (a lemon) but they haven't decided whether to charge you to fix it or not.

Do you apologize for the mess? No.

Quoted For MFing Truth.  So far, BioWare hasn't addressed anything about their false advertising.

[Link Ashland 614]

Only the fans that bully other fans for liking the endings should apologize.

Bioware did nothing wrong, and the fans neither. It was an enormous conflict of interests: Bioware wanted fans to like the endings and get excited for the next expansions/DLC for ME3 and the next series of games in the ME universe.
Fans didn't like the ending, and everything just crashed. But no one did anything wrong.

I'm gonna get flamed for this post.

[Suko Reia]

Naaaaa

[jeweledleah]

I have done nothing that merits an apology. i haven't attacked any of the individuals within the company personally. i merely expressed my opinion on their product, gave them feedback that they usually ask for and stated what it would take to keep someone like me as a costumer in a future. hell, I didn't even leave low rated reviews anywhere, just told my friends how I felt about the game. Bioware have broken promises and have been called out on it.

I never felt that its a good idea to apologize to someone not because you are sorry or because you actually did something wrong, but because it will, what pacify them or something?

no.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 28 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Rusted Cage]

Hey Jewel, how's it going?

I ain't done nothin' to apologize for but don't like the thought that maybe some members of the Bioware team might be feeling terrible. I guess I feel sorry for them.

[ShinsFortress]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

Sezarious wrote...

"Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad?"

I think the word "Personally" is where you are making a mistake.

Now granted, there have been inappropriate personal attacks and threats made against writers.  Yes, I think these comments will require an apology in time.  But the anger and arguing won't stop until the problem is fixed.

The attacks against the game itself and Bioware are complaints about a service, which did not yield as satisfying.  And no matter how much of the game is "ART", if only a fraction of it is considered a product, then it is vulnerable to all the rules of a product.

Personal attacks - No

Attacks against massive corporations that CAN handle it.  Hell yes, bring on the fire and brimstone.

This, good Sir.

And I will NOT apologize for me complaining - I never attacked anyone personally but just expressed my feeling of being betrayed what I was promised, I even paid for the CE and preordered it. But since DA2 I should not wonder anymore, BW is gone. Quick rush-jobs called "games" are supposedly "in".

*sad nod*

*melancholy horns play to the death of the old Bioware*

[abaris]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Bioware wanted fans to like the endings and get excited for the next expansions/DLC for ME3 and the next series of games in the ME universe.

Nope, you ain't gonna get flamed. At least not by me.

But I have to disagree. I can't imagine any writer being content with the endings as far as I know them. I haven't experienced them personally, but I watched the youtube vids and since I don't shy away from spoilers I've read about them from all angles.

The only explanation I can come up with would be that someone fancied themself as the new Kubrick doing a rehash of the Space Odissee ending. But I refuse to believe that.

The most logical explanation coming to mind is that time and money ran out and the staff decided that amongst all that action the majority of the players wouldn't mind.

[translationninja]

Zaasz wrote...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving.

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

I understand where you are coming from...but...no...not really.

Why do I feel that way?

Well, kinda simple really. There is no doubt in my mind that BW must have known that this ending would alienate a large part of the "epic hero" crowd. I simply can't believe that in a team that has created something so big and enjoyable (Thresher v. Reaper anyone?), there was no clue that this little green translucent man would infuriate a whole lot of people.

Yet...they kept hyping and pandering to the potential buyers...scuse me...players...as if it was the most certain thing that they will get their variety of endings.

These guys are too good when they put their heart in it to not have known how miserable this ending is. And that is where the hate comes from in some.

Let's say their campaign would have included any hint of "the ending you never saw coming", or "the answer no one expected" or "the utterly unknown revealed" there would be exponentially less hate from the masses.

People are unhappy about the way the ending turned out, they are outraged by having been misled into thinking they will get something coherent that fits the genre and stays true to the story.

The whole marketing was dishonest.

Modifié par translationninja, 28 mars 2012 - 07:36 .