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[Lunatic LK47]

BrotherWarth wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

That's like, a f*ckin' fact, man.

/end discussion

No, it isn't. Proclaiming your opinions as facts is the most childish way to have a discussion.

Entertainment=/=art.
Can it? Of course, but just like everything in life context is key.

Think the dude was joking, but I could be wrong.

[bennyjammin79]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Then Porn is art too I suppose? 

Are you really this stupid? Film making is an art. Photography is and art. There are some really good pornos out there both in video and photograph.

[abaris]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Oh yeah, BioWare definitely owes us a big apology for the false advertising.

People should stop believing adverts in general. And what you get from any given company in the prerelease phase of any given product is nothing else than PR and advertising hype.

So I don't think Bioware owes and apology, since they only did what everyone does. Problem is, even after the barrage of everyday advertising people are still joining the hype.

When DAII came out and people were (rightfully in my opinion) apalled, those same people hyped Skyrim without having anything besides the developers making fancy speeches. Then Skyrim came out and people started complaining about how unfinished it seemed. Again, the were right in saying so, but wrong basing their expectations on PR BS.

Same with ME3. I warned against the ongoing hype some six months ago, but everyone told me how great that would turn out, since the developers had said so. And now take a look, again rightful complaints, but again those same people based their expectations on adverts and fancy speeches without having seen the real deal.

[Tazzmission]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Of all the people to feel sorry for in this mess Bioware is last on my list...

Say your car runs fine 2 months and then completely breaks down, you bring it into the dealer. You both know it's defective when you bought it (a lemon) but they haven't decided whether to charge you to fix it or not.

Do you apologize for the mess? No.

funny thing is a game isnt a car so your example is invalid


same go's for the whole resteraunt argument as well

[bennyjammin79]

BrotherWarth wrote...

No, it isn't. Proclaiming your opinions as facts is the most childish way to have a discussion.

Entertainment=/=art.
Can it? Of course, but just like everything in life context is key.

Context is an opinion. I just really don't feel like talking to you, quoting the Big Lebowski is a childish way to have a discussion. 

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Think the dude was joking, but I could be wrong.

I was half joking.

[Farbautisonn]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Then Porn is art too I suppose? 

Are you really this stupid? Film making is an art. Photography is and art. There are some really good pornos out there both in video and photograph.

-Thank you for that nice ad hominem. Porn is many things. Its "artsy" stuff and its "Scat" and everything inbetween. Somehow I do not believe anyone would call a scatflick "art". But to each his own I suppose.

[Wifflebottom]

Yeah video games are art but they are also a product first. Mass Effect 3 wasn't made to make an artistic statement, it was made for a profit and thinking otherwise is a bit naive. If a customer is unhappy with a purchased product then yes they can complain and shouldn't have to apologize, asking for Bioware to make a good ending is within their right but Bioware doesn't HAVE to make any additions to their product (though that'd be a poor business decision imho)

[DJBare]

Nothing to apologize for, I am customer dissatisfied with their product, I do not apologize to waiter because my meal was not up to par.

Modifié par DJBare, 28 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[bennyjammin79]

BrotherWarth wrote...

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Listen a**hole, is there some part of not wanting to talk you that you're having a hard time understanding? 

[bennyjammin79]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Thank you for that nice ad hominem. Porn is many things. Its "artsy" stuff and its "Scat" and everything inbetween. Somehow I do not believe anyone would call a scatflick "art". But to each his own I suppose.

You missed the point. Don't you have cupcakes or a line to hold?

Modifié par bennyjammin79, 28 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Farbautisonn]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

You missed to the point. Don't you have cupcakes or a line to hold?

-wat?

[Menethra]

If anything bioware should apologise to the fans, they made alot of promises and failed to live up to them, that itself deserves an apology.

Modifié par Menethra, 28 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[ungodlike]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

@Brother

creating entertainment is an art form. deal with it.

Yeah and that art form creates a complete product, then it is put on shelves to be sold to many consumers and marketed with promises to deliver an experience, a epic story that will satisfy the fans.

[Edrahil17]

Never had so many problems as with this particular game
So yeah, pretty much what everyone else said: it should be them apologizing.

[Lunatic LK47]

Menethra wrote...

If anything bioware should apologise to the fans, they made alot of promises and failed to live up to them, that itself deserves an apology.

Bolded for truth.

[Icinix]

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

[Tazzmission]

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

[Farbautisonn]

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

-Comming from the guy who offers pro-bono mental analysi online and unsolicited, Id say thats rich.

[Tazzmission]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

-Comming from the guy who offers pro-bono mental analysi online and unsolicited, Id say thats rich.

:sigh: shakes head


if people dont like my opinion then dont ask me for one plain and simple

Modifié par Tazzmission, 28 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[Icinix]

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

*sigh*

He says in the OP;

Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? 

Thats not what he's addressing.

[Farbautisonn]

Tazzmission wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

-Comming from the guy who offers pro-bono mental analysi online and unsolicited, Id say thats rich.

:sigh: shakes head


if people dont like my opinion then dont ask me for one plain and simple

-Im pretty sure that noone really asked for your opinion on their mental health. And yet you insist on giving it frequently.

[Tazzmission]

Icinix wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

*sigh*

He says in the OP;

Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? 

Thats not what he's addressing.

and again op is correct on the personal attacks


can you honestly refuse to ackwoledge such attacks did happen?


his comment on the ending dosent matter im only discussin his personal attack statement

[Icinix]

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

*sigh*

He says in the OP;

Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? 

Thats not what he's addressing.

and again op is correct on the personal attacks


can you honestly refuse to ackwoledge such attacks did happen?


his comment on the ending dosent matter im only discussin his personal attack statement

*sigh*

My very first post says "Personal attacks are bad."

You can't speak for the OP and I can't speak for the OP - but the way I read that is he doesn't think the ending is that bad, and people calling BioWare out on it might think about saying sorry.

So I'll say again. Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not live up to promises is feedback.

Can you honestly refuse to acknowledge that promises were not upheld?