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[BillyCapron]

So, basically, tl;dr , but I agree with OP. Bioware has been getting a LOT of unnecessary hate for the ending. I'll admit, I didn't like it either, but all three Mass Effect games have been AMAZING. You can't be so vicious in asking for a new ending. They made brilliant games.

[Alibenbaba]

Vez04 wrote...
Mass Effect 3 will revolutionize the emotional gaming experience.''
lt.

Well, I'd say full marks on that one, the emotional experience was indeed bordering revolution.

[Tazzmission]

Icinix wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Icinix wrote...

How can fans telling a company the ending sucks be a personal attack?

Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not leave up to promises is feedback.

:sigh: i think op is refering to the people who go to the ftc and people who demand firings and people who demand refunds from a chairty, also personal attacks on the devs


that imo is what he is addressing and imo i agree with him

*sigh*

He says in the OP;

Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? 

Thats not what he's addressing.

and again op is correct on the personal attacks


can you honestly refuse to ackwoledge such attacks did happen?


his comment on the ending dosent matter im only discussin his personal attack statement

*sigh*

My very first post says "Personal attacks are bad."

You can't speak for the OP and I can't speak for the OP - but the way I read that is he doesn't think the ending is that bad, and people calling BioWare out on it might think about saying sorry.

So I'll say again. Personal Attacks are bad. Telling a company their product did not live up to promises is feedback.

Can you honestly refuse to acknowledge that promises were not upheld?

like i stated before i can never take every promise seriously because things do in fact change

you may not like what you hear but thats just how i look at the situation


and my next comment isnt a troll attack but i do really believe that fans kind of tend to missinterpret what is offically said

that alone is why i have been very outspoken on the whole backlash

lets be honest we all dont know what the hecks happening and imo assuming the worst is not good at all for anybody


when i see people go out of there way and say everything is a lie or damage controll to me i just think people do over react

when i see threads titled so did you prevent anyone buying the game basicly offends me not as a gamer but a consumer

people may think my comments are troll posts and thats fine w/e but im not gona sit on this board and pretend i agree with people that i dont

heck i even took the time to help the retake movement develop a better set of rules for when they let people into there group and im not even with them at all


im sick of the fighting from both sides and yes i can leave no doubt about it but there not going to chase me off this board

they dont like what i have to say fine ok dont ask me my thoughts ,ideas, or opinions because in the end  no matter what i say im going to be told im wrong

this whole message forum isnt just for the people who are mad and just love to rant and its time they stop trying to make it exclusivley theres

should this community be ruined for people like me who are just calm cool and collective and actually like to talk possitive things about the game?


hell no

Modifié par Tazzmission, 28 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[BurnOutBrighter]

 No.

I was lied to about how my decisions over the course of three games would have a bearing on the game's ending.

I was lied to about how most of the questions of the Mass Effect story and universe would be answered.

I was forced to buy a segment of the game that was completed by release day but deliberately cut out, in order to get the full game experience.

I was lied to about how important the multiplayer was in affecting the single player.

Who should be doing the apologising?

[fairandbalancedfan]

Bioware should apologize to me. many a times i want to make love to their office building, but they put a restraining order out on me.

*Udina Fist* this is an outrage.

[Lunatic LK47]

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

 No.

I was lied to about how my decisions over the course of three games would have a bearing on the game's ending.

I was lied to about how most of the questions of the Mass Effect story and universe would be answered.

I was forced to buy a segment of the game that was completed by release day but deliberately cut out, in order to get the full game experience.

I was lied to about how important the multiplayer was in affecting the single player.

Who should be doing the apologising?

Thank you.

[Fisterbear]

Zaasz wrote...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving.

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

I don't know if it was the game's end, the actual lack of content (in my opinion) or what, but all of those promises of a "satisfying" conclusion just did not apply to me. There was nothing satisfying about it.

Playing through the game I kept thinking to myself how awesome some of the things they did were, but I think as the game drew on stuff I expected to happen didn't. There wasn't near enough closure.

I understand Bioware wanting to do an open ended ending, so that everyone could take it as they wanted, but I wanted a "satisfying and clear cut conclusion." At least to the Shepard trilogy.

Then I wanted the Mass Effect universe to continue without the hero who sacrificed himself to stop the reapers. That won't happen. At least not AFTER the events of ME3. Unless they are WAY after. Like thousands of years after.

So no. I don't think Bioware deserves an apology. They do good work, which is why I play their games, and I pay them money for that.

That means that when they do something like this we have every right to be angry and make our discontent heard. That way they will know not to pull something like this again in the future.

Modifié par Fisterbear, 28 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[Icinix]

Tazzmission wrote...

like i stated before i can never take every promise seriously because things do in fact change

you may not like what you hear but thats just how i look at the situation

and my next comment isnt a troll attack but i do really believe that fans kind of tend to missinterpret what is offically said

that alone is why i have been very outspoken on the whole backlash

lets be honest we all dont know what the hecks happening and imo assuming the worst is not good at all for anybody


when i see people go out of there way and say everything is a lie or damage controll to me i just think people do over react

when i see threads titled so did you prevent anyone buying the game basicly offends me not as a gamer but a consumer

people may think my comments are troll posts and thats fine w/e but im not gona sit on this board and pretend i agree with people that i dont

heck i even took the time to help the retake movement develop a better set of rules for when they let people into there group and im not even with them at all


im sick of the fighting from both sides and yes i can leave no doubt about it but there not going to chase me off this board

they dont like what i have to say fine ok dont ask me my thoughts ,ideas, or opinions because in the end  no matter what i say im going to be told im wrong

this whole message forum isnt just for the people who are mad and just love to rant and its time they stop trying to make it exclusivley theres

should this community be ruined for people like me who are just calm cool and collective and actually like to talk possitive things about the game?


hell no

A couple of quick things - a company that makes promises should be held to those promises. If companies are allowed to go around promising whatever they want and then changing them - thats very bad for consumers everywhere.

I'll say again personal attacks are bad.

But these forums aren't just for the people who want to discuss whats good with the games, they are here to discuss what is bad with the games as well. Its discussion, debate etc.

The forums should not go one way or the other, because that defeats the purpose of them. I'm glad your happy and positive about the ending and the games, awesome, but that doesn't mean other people should not be allowed to express their issues and concerns with it. Again, personal attacks are bad, but people saying the endings were poor and how and why they were so - is not bad. Its feedback, and as such they have as much right as anyone else to be here. You don't have to agree, they don't have to agree, but we all want to be here. So maybe, ease off on the :sigh: when starting a dialogue with someone who says something you don't agree with? Its not just what we say, but how we say it too eh?

Peace!

[Stanley Woo]

We have no problems with people critiquing the game or sharing what they like or don't like about it. We even tolerate a fair amount of grumbling and whinging and good natured ribbing about our game, our decisions, and our company.

But make no mistake. It is not those providing constructive feedback whose threads are locked. It is not those who are giving honest, civil criticism who are being banned. Our community has certain rules, and these rules were agreed to by each and every community member when they sign up to participate in this community. If those rules are broken, if you abuse the privilege of being a part of this community, then that privilege will be removed.

Not liking a game and "I have a right to give feedback" in no way entitles someone to be a rude, insulting jerkface. Thank you.

[BellatrixLugosi]

Stanley Woo the Volus has spoken. (bows)

[double02]

Seeing as this doesn't apply to me......no.

[DeadPoolX]

One of the best reasons to avoid being rude when criticizing someone or something is that your argument, no matter how good, will be ignored. That could be a real shame because whatever it is you're trying to say may be important, but will end up being passed off as "angry ramblings."

[BeefoTheBold]

If any thread deserves to be locked, it's this one at this time.

[Chris Priestly]

No.

Fans should never apologize for disagreeing with the developers of what they are fans of, whether it is BioWare and Mass Effect 3, a director and a movie, a writer and a book, a singer and music, etc. Fans are passionate about what they are fans of. If the developer disappoints a fan, for whatever reason, then this fan should be allowed to politely voice their opinion as to why they are not happy. It should not matter whether there is one fan or one hundred fans or one thousand fans who are unhappy because it matters to the individual fan. As long as that fan expresses their dislike of the material in a sensible and rational way, they should not apologize for doing so.

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible. Sensible and rational complaints, criticism and expression of disapproval are all fine, but there is a line that can be crossed that should not be crossed when trying to be heard. When a fan uses these as their form of expression they do damage to other fans with similar concerns who have talked about their complaints in a rational manner.

[Tazzmission]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

One of the best reasons to avoid being rude when criticizing someone or something is that your argument, no matter how good, will be ignored. That could be a real shame because whatever it is you're trying to say may be important, but will end up being passed off as "angry ramblings."

:sigh: one of the biggest things i myself have expressed is people need to be very specific on what fits and dosent

to go and say something just sucks isnt the best way to fix the situation


now alot of posters may think im telling them they have no right to whine but that isnt the case


i admit i am a bit annoyed and again i admit i may have indeed demonized the take back movement but  as fans on both sides we have to be very direct on the pro's and cons of the game

[Tazzmission]

Chris Priestly wrote...

No.

Fans should never apologize for disagreeing with the developers of what they are fans of, whether it is BioWare and Mass Effect 3, a director and a movie, a writer and a book, a singer and music, etc. Fans are passionate about what they are fans of. If the developer disappoints a fan, for whatever reason, then this fan should be allowed to politely voice their opinion as to why they are not happy. It should not matter whether there is one fan or one hundred fans or one thousand fans who are unhappy because it matters to the individual fan. As long as that fan expresses their dislike of the material in a sensible and rational way, they should not apologize for doing so.

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible. Sensible and rational complaints, criticism and expression of disapproval are all fine, but there is a line that can be crossed that should not be crossed when trying to be heard. When a fan uses these as their form of expression they do damage to other fans with similar concerns who have talked about their complaints in a rational manner.

nicely put chris and i agree

[Dominus]

Couldn't have said it better. There is a distinct difference between constructive criticism, and all-out blatant negativity. This is, after all, meant to be a community for video game discussion. People should have the right to be heard, on the premise that it is well thought-out and kept civil in design.

[darkshadow136]

Chris Priestly wrote...

No.

Fans should never apologize for disagreeing with the developers of what they are fans of, whether it is BioWare and Mass Effect 3, a director and a movie, a writer and a book, a singer and music, etc. Fans are passionate about what they are fans of. If the developer disappoints a fan, for whatever reason, then this fan should be allowed to politely voice their opinion as to why they are not happy. It should not matter whether there is one fan or one hundred fans or one thousand fans who are unhappy because it matters to the individual fan. As long as that fan expresses their dislike of the material in a sensible and rational way, they should not apologize for doing so.

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible. Sensible and rational complaints, criticism and expression of disapproval are all fine, but there is a line that can be crossed that should not be crossed when trying to be heard. When a fan uses these as their form of expression they do damage to other fans with similar concerns who have talked about their complaints in a rational manner.

Very well put. here this is for you Chris, I don't usually use smilies 

[Sparviero Ged]

Zaasz wrote...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving.

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

YES you have to apologize with Bioware and try to understand something about final 

[Il Divo]

Chris Priestly wrote...

No.

Fans should never apologize for disagreeing with the developers of what they are fans of, whether it is BioWare and Mass Effect 3, a director and a movie, a writer and a book, a singer and music, etc. Fans are passionate about what they are fans of. If the developer disappoints a fan, for whatever reason, then this fan should be allowed to politely voice their opinion as to why they are not happy. It should not matter whether there is one fan or one hundred fans or one thousand fans who are unhappy because it matters to the individual fan. As long as that fan expresses their dislike of the material in a sensible and rational way, they should not apologize for doing so.

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible. Sensible and rational complaints, criticism and expression of disapproval are all fine, but there is a line that can be crossed that should not be crossed when trying to be heard. When a fan uses these as their form of expression they do damage to other fans with similar concerns who have talked about their complaints in a rational manner.

Pretty much this.

[BeefoTheBold]

Chris Priestly wrote...

No.

Fans should never apologize for disagreeing with the developers of what they are fans of, whether it is BioWare and Mass Effect 3, a director and a movie, a writer and a book, a singer and music, etc. Fans are passionate about what they are fans of. If the developer disappoints a fan, for whatever reason, then this fan should be allowed to politely voice their opinion as to why they are not happy. It should not matter whether there is one fan or one hundred fans or one thousand fans who are unhappy because it matters to the individual fan. As long as that fan expresses their dislike of the material in a sensible and rational way, they should not apologize for doing so.

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible. Sensible and rational complaints, criticism and expression of disapproval are all fine, but there is a line that can be crossed that should not be crossed when trying to be heard. When a fan uses these as their form of expression they do damage to other fans with similar concerns who have talked about their complaints in a rational manner.

Very well said.

[Quionic]

 I'm sorry that you slapped  me in the face for paying you $80

[TheBandit554]

Quionic wrote...

 I'm sorry that you slapped  me in the face for paying you $80

I don't think this is what they meant by constructive and civil 

[Quionic]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Quionic wrote...

 I'm sorry that you slapped  me in the face for paying you $80

I don't think this is what they meant by constructive and civil 

I know! Whhy would they slap their fans in the face? Very uncivil...

[Rogue Unit]

spreading lies lol