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[Lincoln MuaDib]

Well, is the OP suggesting certain sections of the forum that've been aggressive and personally nasty towards BioWare staff need to apologise?
Agreed.

Or is the OP suggesting that unhappy owners of ME3 need to apologise for having a different opinion to those that love the ending?
In which case, get f**ked. There is no reason to apologise for opinion.

Should BioWare apologise that their opinion of how ME3 ended is different to that of certain sections?

I have no issue that BioWare have an opinion different to mine.
My issue is that it's not the ending that they said it would be (ie, multiple choices where the decisions made throughout ME1 ME2 and ME3 are shown to have a clear effect at the end)

[The Wrathful Badger]

I honestly think most of the hate towards Bioware are people who decided to jump on the bandwagon. The average response I've seen from people is "Ending SUX! Gimme new ending Bioware!" Rarely have I seen a well thought out response to the issue that states their point of view on the matter.

[tiger-tron]

I don't owe Bioware any apology. I owe them alot of thanks and respect for an amazing series, but I'm not sorry for complaining that the ending was HORRIBLE. Bioware must realise that they are the ones who should be apologising, and accept that it isn't simply a vocal minority who hate the endings, its the vast majority.

[Ajirasan]

 

Zaasz wrote...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving. 

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

Did EA give you money, too? After all that "Your choices will effect the game, ending..." bull****, Mass Effect 3's ending is just like an insult. If we don't get an alternative ending, I will not buy EA products anymore.

Modifié par Ajirasan, 26 mars 2012 - 11:47 .

[bleachorange]

The Wrathful Badger wrote...

I honestly think most of the hate towards Bioware are people who decided to jump on the bandwagon. The average response I've seen from people is "Ending SUX! Gimme new ending Bioware!" Rarely have I seen a well thought out response to the issue that states their point of view on the matter.

http://social.biowar...13/blog/211900/

http://www.gamefront...-fans-are-right

Modifié par bleachorange, 26 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Sleek wrote...

And we should have been able to use Legion !!!

My FemShep would have liked to Romance Legion.

No refractory period . . . *grins*

But seriously, would have been cool.

[JunMadine]

If you took it too far and were rude or insulting then yes you should apologize. If you didn't like the ending and expressed your dissatisfaction then no.

[AdmiralCheez]

Tearing apart the game is okay. Threatening to tear apart the people that made it is not.

And it's BECAUSE the rest of the game/series was so good that we're so upset over the ending. If ME(3) was just mediocre all along, no one would make a fuss. Such strong reactions, as unsavory and uncalled for as some may be, are proof that people really care.

I'd love to talk about all the good things in ME3, but the ending is kind of cramping its style.

[bleachorange]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Sleek wrote...

And we should have been able to use Legion !!!

My FemShep would have liked to Romance Legion.

No refractory period . . . *grins*

But seriously, would have been cool.

Sure. I can see Legion and Femshep having hot virtual reality sex.

Modifié par bleachorange, 26 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[Nassegris]

This is nuts.

What group of consumers ever apologise for getting a bad product and complaining about it? That’s all we’ve been doing – talking about our disappointment, hoping for a fix.

There might be some people out there that have gone for personal insults, and maybe that in itself is inappropriate, but apologise for criticising a poorly made product?

Never. That is just… crazy to even suggest that we, or the critics that have agreed with us, owe Bioware anything.

I paid them money – played a game that made me miserable. I haven’t demanded that they apologise to me but I’d actually think a fan asking for that is more appropriate than Bioware getting apologies from us.

Since when are people no longer allowed to criticise or discuss their purchases? If you go to the store, buy a water melon and come home to find it filled with worms – return to ask for a refund… will you then later, inexplicably, apologise for complaining?

They made a fortune on us. We put good money into their pockets. There’s nothing to apologise for.

Modifié par Nassegris, 26 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[Alexraptor1]

There are several inaccuracies that does not allow me to take this guy seriously.

He talks about how you have to perform renegade interrupt to do the right thing in Garrus loyalty mission in ME2, this is wrong, its a Paragon interrupt.
The irony with that is the video he linked to even showed that it was a PARAGON interrupt.

[Russalka]

Maybe only those who have just been plain rude.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Guys, if you actually read the article, the guy is a believer of the Indoctrination theory. He wants us to apologize because we were all too stupid to realize that Shepard was indoctrinated.

Move along. Just another poor sap writing off the plot holes as part of a fan-fic.

[astheoceansblue]

Why should those of is who've conducted out negative responses in a mature way apologise?

Even those who've been less than mature shouldn't have to, imo.

Bioware lied about their product, people are angry about that. Let them vent it.

The only thing I wouldn't find acceptable is personal attacks against individuals, and there have been very few of these in relative terms.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 26 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[CrazyRah]

Embrosil wrote...

If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.

I think the says most of it. I got no reason to apologize. I've been honest in my feedback and questioned their judgement. DA2 raised an eyebrow for me, Deception made me doubt, ME3 is the third product in a row that's not good falls short. They're a company that sell entertainment products and if they don't manage to entertain me should i apologize? Never

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

You apologize only if you regret your words, and I didn't say anything I regret.
I still cannot believe they though that polishing gameplay was more important that giving a good closure to the story/trilogy.

[Chuvvy]

Bit early isn't it Mac?

[Stalker]

I see no reason. The ending still sucks and I will continue to spread that opinion.

Even if they fix it, all they get from my part is a huge "thank you", no apologize.

[lukasevening]

Should we apologize to BioWare? For what? Loving their creation too much? I'm afraid there is only one step from love to hate... and it's because ME 1 & 2 & 95% of 3 is so good, reaction to the way BioWare decided to end it is so emotional and violent.

[CrazyBirdman]

No, while I may like the ending, you are upset and rightly so. BioWare is able to handly critics and if they have some they should worry about how to please them.
Personally insulting them or threatening them although is unacceptable as far as I am concerned but honestly I have seen so many honest good posts legitimatly critizising the ending that these stupid flamers are overwhelmed.
If you are not OK with a product why not complain? Just don't assume anyone else who thinks different is stupid or "not a real fan" etc.

[Hathur]

Funny how you don't really see people scream bloody murder or demand refunds when they come out of a theater after having watched a terrible movie...

You also don't see people returning to bookstores demanding a refund after having read a book that was satisfying, except for the end.

I'm disappointed honestly with how entitled my fellow gamers often seem to be... I've played video games for about 29 years, invested thousands upon thousands of hours of my life in countless games... I've played horrible games.. played great games that ended sourly... yet never once felt I was owed something by the people who created it... the only time I ever grew as upset as the BSN seems to be is if a game was so buggy or broken it was not possible to play properly.

You're allowed to not like the ending, to hate it even... you're allowed to never buy another Bioware game ever again if you're that upset.... but to demand they change their game or even give a refund because of it? ... Doesn't work for books or movies or music... no reason it should apply to games...

You don't like game, fine.. voice your opinion and move on... these "movements" by the community are frankly offensive to the very notion of freedom of expression and creativity...

"I wrote a book".

"Your book sucks! Change it!"

"But I liked it... I'm sorry you didn't"

"Change it!"

"But this is how I felt the story should be told."

"Screw you it's stupid, change it!"

.... as a former professional writer I find the very notion of this troubling, it's another form of censorship ultimately... you're censoring the creative idea the authors put into it.... sure, the creative idea might be awful or stupid in some people's opinion... but the author(s) are allowed to create something dissatisfying to a number of people.

I loathe the thought of what movements like this could mean for creators of fiction in the future.... it means they will always play it safe, never take gambles or risks with their ideas just to ensure they please the masses.... guess what? Sometimes creators of fiction create something people don't like... such is life. It's unethical to the very principles of freedom of thought and expression that you expect them to alter their work because you disliked it.

If you hate it, you hate it.. great... don't buy from them again - your wallet speaks better than your mouth.

[StabGuy]

We should apologize for finishing their unfinished game, because it was not meant to be completed.

[dukiduki]

No. They made the ending the way it was and are now reaping what they sowed.

[Well]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Tearing apart the game is okay. Threatening to tear apart the people that made it is not.

And it's BECAUSE the rest of the game/series was so good that we're so upset over the ending. If ME(3) was just mediocre all along, no one would make a fuss. Such strong reactions, as unsavory and uncalled for as some may be, are proof that people really care.

I'd love to talk about all the good things in ME3, but the ending is kind of cramping its style.

You know as well as I do you will always have some yutts that think they can be ignorant.Report the yutts and do what you can do.What isn't right is to broad brush everyone in that category.Not saying you are but I see it often enough.The game not including the ending was a 6.5.With the ending frell.I have done no reviews.I am trying to cut down on my swearing.ME 1 and ME 2 were really good games.ME 3 was ok.It had some great moments and there were parts that just made me shake my head.The bottom line is they put out a bunch of statements which they did not live up to.They don't deserve some punks making threats and such.They do deserve to have consumers call them out on their blarney.

[The Razman]

I think they definitely deserve an apology for some of the abuse they've been receiving from some people.