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[Farbautisonn]

Some of those terms are relative. So whilst I can applaud the greater meaning, I cannot join in on supporting it ad verbatim.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 29 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[TheBandit554]

Quionic wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

Quionic wrote...

 I'm sorry that you slapped  me in the face for paying you $80

I don't think this is what they meant by constructive and civil 

I know! Whhy would they slap their fans in the face? Very uncivil...

Ok, I admit that was funny. But don't apologize like that, jeez, lets keep it nice too. WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

[Kinawi]

Gotta agree with mister Priestly on this matter. There's no reason to apologize for disagreeing with something, or being unhappy with something. But you don't have to smear the party you're unhappy with.

I think TotalBiscuit on youtube said something apt in this case. It's okay to not like things, but don't be a... well... you know, about it.

That said. Hold the line, but keep it civil!

[TheRealJayDee]

Chris Priestly wrote...

No.

Agreed.

Chris Priestly wrote...

spreading lies, etc are not acceptible.

Agreed.  So, about Lee's sticky concerning the multiplayer...







I'm sorry for being bitter, just finished the game for the first time a few hours ago.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 29 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[NUM13ER]

Well I agree with the article on several points such as the bugs, glitches and flaws here and there being ignored because of how great the rest of the experience was. As they should be. No game is flawless, it's a case of can that game make it's flaws insignificant in the larger scheme of things.

However where I disagree with him is the fact the ending should be seen as a conclusion. It is not. I have no problems with a sequel hook. No problems with leaving one or two things open for debate. But the ending presented created nothing but questions, numerous plot holes and undermined all the wonderful narrative that made it great.

The fact is the ending doesn't to clarify what happens after the fact, whither or not it needs to be taken at face value and finally fails to actually offer closure. Either they didn't have time to give us the full ending or they messed up. People have a right to complain that the product they purchased disappointed them.

[NUM13ER]

TheRealJayDee wrote...
I'm sorry for being bitter, just finished the game for the first time a few hours ago.

Ah the wounds still fresh. Lot of people felt the same man, myself included. Better to get it out of your system.

[Rockworm503]

Yes actually.
I am sorry Bioware.
I am sorry I thought you were better than this.
Silly me.
I am sorry for misplacing faith.
Most of all I'm sorry I displayed loyalty to a damn company.

One thing good out of all this I learned valuable lessons.
We bought a product from them their not our friends.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 29 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[TheRealJayDee]

NUM13ER wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...
I'm sorry for being bitter, just finished the game for the first time a few hours ago.

Ah the wounds still fresh. Lot of people felt the same man, myself included. Better to get it out of your system.

It's actually a blessing that I was more or less prepared for what was to come. Though knowing about it and actually experiencing it are very different things. I'm really curious if and how they plan to salvage this. I love Mass Effect and I don't want it to be remembered for having a really ****ty ending.

Ah well, I'm off, helping myself to some whiskey, reading the phenomenal Marauder Shields comic and dreaming about seeing a decent ending to one of my my favourite gaming series ever outside of fanfic.

[Rockworm503]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

NUM13ER wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...
I'm sorry for being bitter, just finished the game for the first time a few hours ago.

Ah the wounds still fresh. Lot of people felt the same man, myself included. Better to get it out of your system.

It's actually a blessing that I was more or less prepared for what was to come. Though knowing about it and actually experiencing it are very different things. I'm really curious if and how they plan to salvage this. I love Mass Effect and I don't want it to be remembered for having a really ****ty ending.

Ah well, I'm off, helping myself to some whiskey, reading the phenomenal Marauder Shields comic and dreaming about seeing a decent ending to one of my my favourite gaming series ever outside of fanfic.

Wait a few weeks for it to really sink in.
For a few days there I couldn't play anything else because I was just too depressed.
I hate admitting that a damn video game did this to me.
Now I'm at the point where I just don't care.  Bioware made their bed and life goes on.  I have so many other games and there are SO many more coming to look forward to.

[Kajan451]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible.

Does that mean we are getting an apology from you guys for ME3 Ending in the near future?

I mean not to pull up all the interviews and such you have been given until a few days before the release of the game, which clearly stated things that weren't in the game and wouldn't be in the game.

I mean, if you feel fans should apolegize for "spreading lies" doesn't that same go for the Bioware Team and PR guys who falsely made us believe the product contained stuff it didn't.

I mean there are even interviews in which those very lines are repeated that had been flying about for about as long as you guys been working on the ME Triology, at which point the game was surely already in Quality Assurance and off to be printed/pressed on DvDs.

I mean doesn't the "if you spread lies you should apologize" go for both sides? Or is this another matter of applying double standards? Its okay when you do it to sell a game, but its not when you give feedback about it?



And i am not even wanting an apology for the trolling done by that Grandfather and Gandson sequence after the end right before i am asked to buy DLC. I'd like one, and an explaining why, for the interviews in which you guys kind of said the game would contain stuff it didn't.

[Lunatic LK47]

Kajan451 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible.

Does that mean we are getting an apology from you guys for ME3 Ending in the near future?

I mean not to pull up all the interviews and such you have been given until a few days before the release of the game, which clearly stated things that weren't in the game and wouldn't be in the game.

I mean, if you feel fans should apolegize for "spreading lies" doesn't that same go for the Bioware Team and PR guys who falsely made us believe the product contained stuff it didn't.

I mean there are even interviews in which those very lines are repeated that had been flying about for about as long as you guys been working on the ME Triology, at which point the game was surely already in Quality Assurance and off to be printed/pressed on DvDs.

I mean doesn't the "if you spread lies you should apologize" go for both sides? Or is this another matter of applying double standards? Its okay when you do it to sell a game, but its not when you give feedback about it?



And i am not even wanting an apology for the trolling done by that Grandfather and Gandson sequence after the end right before i am asked to buy DLC. I'd like one, and an explaining why, for the interviews in which you guys kind of said the game would contain stuff it didn't.

Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are the days pigs fly.

[Lunatic LK47]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

No.

Agreed.

Chris Priestly wrote...

spreading lies, etc are not acceptible.

Agreed.  So, about Lee's sticky concerning the multiplayer...







I'm sorry for being bitter, just finished the game for the first time a few hours ago.

Uh, yeah, that SHOULD be addressed.

[Kanner]

BIoware, I just wanna say I'm sorry... sorry you're such bad writers.

[Buffy-Summers]

No and you sound alot like you just got hired at bioware with this post

Its not bad?

Is horrid

Words can not describe

[Canned Bullets]

No, Bioware brought this upon themselves. Also, when someone kicks you in the nutsa nd says he'll somehow make up for it by announcing something in April would you say you're sorry?

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 29 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[yearsago]

Zaasz wrote...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving.

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

Apologize for what?

[staindgrey]

Chris Priestly wrote...

No.

Fans should never apologize for disagreeing with the developers of what they are fans of, whether it is BioWare and Mass Effect 3, a director and a movie, a writer and a book, a singer and music, etc. Fans are passionate about what they are fans of. If the developer disappoints a fan, for whatever reason, then this fan should be allowed to politely voice their opinion as to why they are not happy. It should not matter whether there is one fan or one hundred fans or one thousand fans who are unhappy because it matters to the individual fan. As long as that fan expresses their dislike of the material in a sensible and rational way, they should not apologize for doing so.

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible. Sensible and rational complaints, criticism and expression of disapproval are all fine, but there is a line that can be crossed that should not be crossed when trying to be heard. When a fan uses these as their form of expression they do damage to other fans with similar concerns who have talked about their complaints in a rational manner.

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[katness]

Nope. I have only expressed my opinions and feelings in a ways that is constructive and not destructive. The only reason I would ever complain about something like a video game is because I am truly a fan who loves the series and I would never apologize for that. Believe me, I work about 12 hours mon-fri, but I make room to play this series. Mass effect is very important to me

[KevShep]

Zaasz wrote...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I personally found that the entirety of the game was well above average, beyond that actually. I agree that Mass Effect is our first true video game "epic" but I also think there could be some more closure as well. This article from GGTL is kinda long, but it sums up a lot of the criticisms and calls into question much of the unnecessary hate BioWare has been receiving.

http://www.gamersgui...efront-and.html

What do you all think? Was it really necessary to attack BioWare personally for something that isn't even THAT bad? Yeah, I think the endings could have answered a bit more and maybe we could have seen more from the war assets in the final battle, but overall I was intrigued by the end.

I guess you did not see the plot holes that kill the whole entire series.

[Ricinator]

 no

[Pee Jae]

Not I. But, then... I haven't been running at Bioware with a blunt instrument. I'll admit to being full of snark about the endings. I'll apologize for that right now if it helps at all/anyone cares. I just don't think a series like Mass Effect deserves to go out like this. The game itself is near perfect... until the end.

[OhManTFE]

Bioware should be apologising to US.

/lock this thread down!

[ShinsFortress]

Kajan451 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Now, at the same time, fans who abuse the developer (again, whether us, a movie director, a music act, etc) as a form of feedback, in my opinion, should apologize. Not for their unhappiness, but for the way they have chosen to express it. Rage, hate, swearing,spreading lies, etc are not acceptible.

Does that mean we are getting an apology from you guys for ME3 Ending in the near future?

I mean not to pull up all the interviews and such you have been given until a few days before the release of the game, which clearly stated things that weren't in the game and wouldn't be in the game.

I mean, if you feel fans should apolegize for "spreading lies" doesn't that same go for the Bioware Team and PR guys who falsely made us believe the product contained stuff it didn't.

I mean there are even interviews in which those very lines are repeated that had been flying about for about as long as you guys been working on the ME Triology, at which point the game was surely already in Quality Assurance and off to be printed/pressed on DvDs.

I mean doesn't the "if you spread lies you should apologize" go for both sides? Or is this another matter of applying double standards? Its okay when you do it to sell a game, but its not when you give feedback about it?



And i am not even wanting an apology for the trolling done by that Grandfather and Gandson sequence after the end right before i am asked to buy DLC. I'd like one, and an explaining why, for the interviews in which you guys kind of said the game would contain stuff it didn't.

*salute*

[Trauma3x]

i will say that I finally convinced one of my friends (even after all this stuff going on with the ending) to play ME and he is loving it (he just started ME2) but he asked whats was all the fuss was about and should he continue playing, I encouraged him to continue playing and make up his own mind concerning the ending once he reaches it. He then asked would I (knowing what I know about the current ending) i play, I told him (as I'm on my 3rd Ashley save Councel dead/coll base saved I have 4 saves per LI (Liara/Tali/Miranda/Jack and a Morinth save lol) Abso- frakin Lutley! I would (helmets ugh! and all) For me, ME has brought countless hours of fun and speculation, frustration and just all in out great sci fi period. (which BW still doing with a possible expasion to end of ME3 presumably in works) not to mention plans for more DLC (helmet toggle, sorry had to throw that in) outside the ending. A watery 15 min (When BW could possibly add to or throw out if this whole ID therory is accurate) not going to kill it, now if they add Jar jar Binks or do an Ewoke adventures DLC (I.E. the Conrad verner Adventures) I may join the whole occupied ME3 thing (but who am I kiding I'm still a fan of SW regardless off jar jarlol) otherwise I still believe BW is going to make it righ and make it better.....now can a brotha get a legit helmet toggle in this mug? lol!

[Ice-Whiz]

I believe that people have the right to say what they honestly think of the game, like reviewers. On Rotten Tomatoes there are the critics and the consumers, and they are all allowed to have their opinions and voice them. Of course when it's done in an orderly manner, most people reading, will be more inclined to read it through in think of it as a proper civilized opinion.
However, I do not believe any gamers are 'entitled' to a new ending, or have the right to demand it, that is up to the company whether they choose to do so or not.
For those who complain that BioWare did not deliver what they promised: that is a matter of interpretation. They may believe that they did what they said they would, and the general populace believes otherwise. But people! Is it really the first time? A lot of companies have done so, and there is not nearly as much rage towards those.
In the meantime, if they choose to make changes for the sake of the fans, then you cannot deny they are doing a lot more for you than any other company would have done.
And no, you cannot compare it to getting a new dessert for free because you did not like yours, that is an oversimplified analogy, made in a fit of rage because you'd rather see it as a one man job that may take between 30 and 45 minutes, rather than an elaborate cooperation made by more than 50 people over the course of 3 years.
It is fine to be disappointed and dissatsfied, but with a game, you actually have the time to wait until your emotions have calmed down, before you go on the internet to voice your dissatisfaction.
And think about this: if you voice your opinion in an angry manner filled with censored *-marks it is less likely that anyone, least of all the company, will take your opinion seriously. Please, show some civility or it just seems childish.