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[TheChris92]

Some have very strong opinions about this game, and one shouldn't apologize for having them. I think it is amoral to personally insult a BioWare employee for something that you didn't like in their product, and that's not what I'm doing. I'm not throwing garbage at them, I'm voicing my opinion about what they have brought me. I'm voicing my dissatisfaction with how it was wrapped up. The game itself was overall an amazing experience, but the endings simply didn't reflect what was promised and what I had expected from the end of the franchise. It won't bug me to the grave though, but I do still feel like sharing my opinions.

[darknessmyown]

If someone has made comments that were uncalled for then an apology should be given by that individual for what ever remarks they made. But I can say that I have done my best to keep up with a number of the threads here in the forums and I do not believe that much anything I have read was uncalled for in the least. Bioware lied to us with one thing after the other, they promised as a trip to the stars then slapped us across the face.

[Aslanasadi]

As long people stay focus on their critics and don't get personal and rude, I see no reason to apologize.

I discuss in the forums about the endings and yes, I voice my opinion on it. But I'm always polite to everybody and would never offend someone and it doesn't matter if it's someone from Bioware or someone else who doesn't share my mind. Being rude and especially threatening people is disgusting and certainly not my style of behavor. Not here and not in my real life.

[phoenix241]

I think a lot of people need to switch to decaf and stop dealing in absolutes all the time.
Some complainers act like children: Give them a piece of candy and "it's the best day EVERRRRR!!"... If they fall and skin their knee "it's the worst day EVERRR!!!".
My reaction to the game was like this:
1. Ooooo!! Finally! ME3! I've been looking forward to this ever since blowing up the collector base.
2. Ooo! The new gun sounds and weapon mechanic is so much cooler. The graphics are beautiful! Mars! Palaven!! Oh my!! 
3. Oh... the ending was a bit disappointing, I'd really like to see what happened to all the people i know, as well as seeing my war assets doing their job. It was not as satisfying as the end of ME1 and 2...
4. Oh well I still have multiplayer while waiting for DLCs and such.

Some people seem to have reacted more like this:

1. Raging over rumors on forums several months before even the demo was released.
2. Raging over the demo.
3. Still buying the game for some reason.
4. Ooooo!! Finally! ME3! I've been looking forward to this ever since blowing up the collector base (or saving that abomination for Martin Sheen if you swing that way)
5. Ooo! The new gun sounds and weapon mechanic is so much cooler. The graphics are beautiful! Mars! Palaven!! Oh my!!
6. Finishing the game (or maybe just reading about the finish without actually playing the game)
7. Complete and utter nerdrage on forums, youtube, twitter, twitface, youpoop or whatever.
8. Threatening random Bioware staff with everything from "class action lawsuits" to physical violence.
9. Breaking DVD, destroying monitor etc.




Protip: Calm down

[Gibb_Shepard]

Hathur wrote...

Funny how you don't really see people scream bloody murder or demand refunds when they come out of a theater after having watched a terrible movie...

You also don't see people returning to bookstores demanding a refund after having read a book that was satisfying, except for the end.

I'm disappointed honestly with how entitled my fellow gamers often seem to be... I've played video games for about 29 years, invested thousands upon thousands of hours of my life in countless games... I've played horrible games.. played great games that ended sourly... yet never once felt I was owed something by the people who created it... the only time I ever grew as upset as the BSN seems to be is if a game was so buggy or broken it was not possible to play properly.

You're allowed to not like the ending, to hate it even... you're allowed to never buy another Bioware game ever again if you're that upset.... but to demand they change their game or even give a refund because of it? ... Doesn't work for books or movies or music... no reason it should apply to games...

You don't like game, fine.. voice your opinion and move on... these "movements" by the community are frankly offensive to the very notion of freedom of expression and creativity...

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That is hilariously contradictory. The community has every right to request change to a franchise they love, to call upon their right of "freedom of expression" as you put it; insinuating that freedom of expression is exclusive only to writers. No one is holding a damned gun to Bioware's head; they have every right to say "**** off". The day consumers cannot express their opinions and desires will be a grave day for Capitalism. 

On top of this; the ending is not "art". It is fundamentally flawed in it's very design. It completely puts aside any form of logic, basically making it impossible to choose an option that makes some form of sense to the player. The ending is a literary disaster; contradicting itself at every turn and discarding themes that have been built upon for three games.

But like i said, Bioware has every right to say "No" to the fanbase. It will be an objective detriment to the franchise, but they have that right. It is them and only them that have made a decision to revise the ending. 

[abaris]

Why should anyone apologise to a company? Bioware is a company after all. It's not a human being with feelings.

If anyone insulted someone inside this company personally, that's quite a different matter, but humanising a business seems to be a little bit off.

[LadyAly]

Only the people who raged in a unfair manner.

But I don't see a reason to apologize to a company who is taking our money ;P
ME- Series was excellent besides the ending in part 3 - and nothing will change this.

[NedPepper]

The point most of you seem to be missing? You are treating Mass Effect 3 as if it were a faulty can opener and you want a refund.

Art doesn't work that. Never has. When art becomes a consumer product, you can have an opinion, you can express disappointment, but what right do you have to tell them to change their story? That's the entitlement. You got a functioning game. (For the most part....facial import not cool, but they'r fixing it). You actually got a really well made game. You just didn't like the ending.

Should Damon Lindeloff create a new ending to Lost?

Should Stephen King write a new ending to The Dark Tower?

Should George Lucas go in and make changes year after year to Star Wars? (Wait, don't answer that.)

Maybe the ending sucks. It happens. But you are owed nothing. The fact that they are willing to even discuss changing the ending? That's being kind. And, in my opinion, also not having the guts to stand up to your vision. At least the Lost creators stand up for their polarizing ending. King even told people at the beginning that the ending may not be what you want, but as the man telling the story, it was the ending that was RIGHT. I'm a firm believer in sticking to your guns. Bioware chose to go this route. I don't understand why they would cave in now....

Then again, maybe they're afraid they won't sell anymore can openers....

[thunderhawk862002]

Nope. But they owe us an explanation on how their interview statements are completely contradictory to the end product in some cases. Such as the Rachni/ending quote. Any statement they made after the endings were set in stone they need to be held accountable for.

[abaris]

nedpepper wrote...

Should Damon Lindeloff create a new ending to Lost?

Should Stephen King write a new ending to The Dark Tower?

Should George Lucas go in and make changes year after year to Star Wars? (Wait, don't answer that.)

And nevermind the glaring difference between a movie, a tv show (with both you're expecting to take the passenger seat) and an interactive medium.

The dead art horse has been already beaten so many times that I don't want to go into the details of that kind of argument.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Abslolutely not they deserve all hate IMO !, they ****ed up bad and they have to deal with people raging especially since they promised many things that never got into game.

[TheChris92]

nedpepper wrote...

The point most of you seem to be missing? You are treating Mass Effect 3 as if it were a faulty can opener and you want a refund.

Art doesn't work that. Never has. When art becomes a consumer product, you can have an opinion, you can express disappointment, but what right do you have to tell them to change their story? That's the entitlement. You got a functioning game. (For the most part....facial import not cool, but they'r fixing it). You actually got a really well made game. You just didn't like the ending.

Should Damon Lindeloff create a new ending to Lost?

Should Stephen King write a new ending to The Dark Tower?

Should George Lucas go in and make changes year after year to Star Wars? (Wait, don't answer that.)

Maybe the ending sucks. It happens. But you are owed nothing. The fact that they are willing to even discuss changing the ending? That's being kind. And, in my opinion, also not having the guts to stand up to your vision. At least the Lost creators stand up for their polarizing ending. King even told people at the beginning that the ending may not be what you want, but as the man telling the story, it was the ending that was RIGHT. I'm a firm believer in sticking to your guns. Bioware chose to go this route. I don't understand why they would cave in now....

Then again, maybe they're afraid they won't sell anymore can openers....

The problem with what you're saying though is the fact that BioWare has actually changed this game once, so why should it suddenly be a problem now? Remember the leaked script? The game was very different back then, it even had a completely different ending. It even had some scenarios that were cut from the final product. Then there were the promises of a whole variety of endings for the game. The fact that you can't narrow the endings down to "A, B and C" was proven to be exactly the case after all. I think it's unfair to not deliver on that promise, because that's one of the great principles that this franchise stands for. It's about making important decisions and thus experience the repercussions of these decisions. The endings we were given did not deliver on this at all in my honest opinion. I do not feel entitled I just feel incredibly disappointed. That is all.

[NedPepper]

abaris wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Should Damon Lindeloff create a new ending to Lost?

Should Stephen King write a new ending to The Dark Tower?

Should George Lucas go in and make changes year after year to Star Wars? (Wait, don't answer that.)

And nevermind the glaring difference between a movie, a tv show (with both you're expecting to take the passenger seat) and an interactive medium.

The dead art horse has been already beaten so many times that I don't want to go into the details of that kind of argument.

What's the difference?  You PAID for those books.  You PAID for the cable service.  What you are saying is that Mass Effect is a can opener...and that just seems insulting.  I dare say the reason you LOVE Mass Effect is because it's not.  It's entertainment based around a story.  There is no difference.

[Ajirasan]

[NM_Che56]

For those who got personal and started attacking bioware employees...that's just insanity. It's a game. They should be ashamed if nothing else.

As for those who were disappointed with the game and kept their heads, no. Bioware is reaping the consequences of their choices, ironically. You don't make lofty promises, fail to deliver (or deliver on time) and be entitled to a happy ending.

[Aslanasadi]

TheChris92 wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

The point most of you seem to be missing? You are treating Mass Effect 3 as if it were a faulty can opener and you want a refund.

Art doesn't work that. Never has. When art becomes a consumer product, you can have an opinion, you can express disappointment, but what right do you have to tell them to change their story? That's the entitlement. You got a functioning game. (For the most part....facial import not cool, but they'r fixing it). You actually got a really well made game. You just didn't like the ending.

Should Damon Lindeloff create a new ending to Lost?

Should Stephen King write a new ending to The Dark Tower?

Should George Lucas go in and make changes year after year to Star Wars? (Wait, don't answer that.)

Maybe the ending sucks. It happens. But you are owed nothing. The fact that they are willing to even discuss changing the ending? That's being kind. And, in my opinion, also not having the guts to stand up to your vision. At least the Lost creators stand up for their polarizing ending. King even told people at the beginning that the ending may not be what you want, but as the man telling the story, it was the ending that was RIGHT. I'm a firm believer in sticking to your guns. Bioware chose to go this route. I don't understand why they would cave in now....

Then again, maybe they're afraid they won't sell anymore can openers....

The problem with what you're saying though is the fact that BioWare has actually changed this game once, so why should it suddenly be a problem now? Remember the leaked script? The game was very different back then, it even had a completely different ending. It even had some scenarios that were cut from the final product. Then there were the promises of a whole variety of endings for the game. The fact that you can't narrow the endings down to "A, B and C" was proven to be exactly the case after all. I think it's unfair to not deliver on that promise, because that's one of the great principles that this franchise stands for. It's about making important decisions and thus experience the repercussions of these decisions. The endings we were given did not deliver on this at all in my honest opinion. I do not feel entitled I just feel incredibly disappointed. That is all.

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[Malevolence65]

Yes, it was necessary. It's sickening to me that anyone would apologize.

[Getorex]

F*ck no! They haven't earned an apology. Hell, they haven't yet apologized for ME3! They haven't apologized for minimizing RPG in favor of FPS-style play. They haven't apologized for focusing the "future" (heh, WHAT future?) of the Mass Effect cesspit into multiplayer and, ultimately, to MMO (think WoW with different clothing). They haven't apologized for the goddamned ending.

[Ralphi]

Free will and I won't apologize before they make more endings , even if they would cost.

[S H E P A R D]

I don't know about you - but I wanted a decent triology ending - not an "artistic integrity ending".
As to whether we should apologize or not - I'm not apologizing.

BioWare received my money.
And here I stand; a disappointed Mass Effect fan.

/mytwocents.

Modifié par S H E P A R D, 26 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[Getorex]

Master Che wrote...

For those who got personal and started attacking bioware employees...that's just insanity. It's a game. They should be ashamed if nothing else.

As for those who were disappointed with the game and kept their heads, no. Bioware is reaping the consequences of their choices, ironically. You don't make lofty promises, fail to deliver (or deliver on time) and be entitled to a happy ending.

Sure it is just a game...but it was NOT "just" $60 or "just" $80.  When a service industry employee f*cks up like these guys did, they certainly deserve to take heat.  They SERVE the player, not vice versa.  Their existence depends on people willing to cough up $60 or more on a product that MUST make the buyer happy.  They have a responsibility to the paying public.  They botch it, they get the paddle.  Simple as that.

They botched, they get paddled.

Modifié par Getorex, 26 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[Aesieru]

Why am I apologizing for paying them for what I was promised and not receiving it?

[Getorex]

Ralphi wrote...

Free will and I won't apologize before they make more endings , even if they would cost.

Sorry but even THAT (a correct ending set of CHOICES) wouldn't earn an apology.  That would simply be them admitting they f*cked up bigtime and are making amends.  That would be part of the their apology to us, the paying public that makes their corporate existence possible.

We can graciously accept their apology and their attempt to make amends, but it is not for us to apologize to them.

[NM_Che56]

Getorex wrote...

Master Che wrote...

For those who got personal and started attacking bioware employees...that's just insanity. It's a game. They should be ashamed if nothing else.

As for those who were disappointed with the game and kept their heads, no. Bioware is reaping the consequences of their choices, ironically. You don't make lofty promises, fail to deliver (or deliver on time) and be entitled to a happy ending.

Sure it is just a game...but it was NOT "just" $60 or "just" $80.  When a service industry employee f*cks up like these guys did, they certainly deserve to take heat.  They SERVE the player, not vice versa.  Their existence depends on people willing to cough up $60 or more on a product that MUST make the buyer happy.  They have a responsibility to the paying public.  They botch it, they get the paddle.  Simple as that.

They botched, they get paddled.

read my statement in context.  I'm not saying Bioware shouldn't take hear but to send death threats and such is a sign someone is too emotionally invested and I would hazard a diagnosis of addiction or mental instability.  

[Bik00014]

Nah, I bought the game and haven't said a single offensive word to BW