No. Lucas constantly going back and revising the Star Wars films is pretty much the poster child of why take backs and re-dos don't go over well in the field of entertainment media. You don't need to justify that crap to justify your want for additional ME3 conclusion content.
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#102
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:35
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Some of the response has been disappointing. Hopefully Bioware know and accept that emotion runs high sometimes, particularly with a fanbase that cares about the product so much.
But in the main, the complaints and quibbles have been justified and reasonable I think.
The vast majority of people have been able to express themselves calmly and precisely, and kept criticism constructive despite hurt feelings. There are some truly excellent, considered responses in the Endings thread that deserve to be seen by those in charge.
Some extremists, on both sides, should probably have a bit of a guilty conscience over all this. But in the main, nah, I don't think apologies should be wanted or needed. It's like a family fall-out...you argue, but you still love those guys and want to work it out.
Roll on April...
But in the main, the complaints and quibbles have been justified and reasonable I think.
The vast majority of people have been able to express themselves calmly and precisely, and kept criticism constructive despite hurt feelings. There are some truly excellent, considered responses in the Endings thread that deserve to be seen by those in charge.
Some extremists, on both sides, should probably have a bit of a guilty conscience over all this. But in the main, nah, I don't think apologies should be wanted or needed. It's like a family fall-out...you argue, but you still love those guys and want to work it out.
Roll on April...
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:35
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No matter what you do in masseffect 3 all the relays get blown up and that bothers me how the heck are the fleets going to get back to there home world?
but I understand that the people are pissy about the ending I would of liked to see how Kaidan and the others were after the battle it was like the end of AC:R, it left me with more questions than answers and for that I wish I never played the game ><
I hope there is some sort of dlc that could add more deapth to the ending hell I dont even care if we have a happy ending as long as I get all the answers or at least fill in those blooming gaps that just scream out DLC DLC
I think Bioware should get an apology but the fans should get one also and on that note the reaction to the ending could of been handled better they did a DA:2 on that bad boy
but I understand that the people are pissy about the ending I would of liked to see how Kaidan and the others were after the battle it was like the end of AC:R, it left me with more questions than answers and for that I wish I never played the game ><
I hope there is some sort of dlc that could add more deapth to the ending hell I dont even care if we have a happy ending as long as I get all the answers or at least fill in those blooming gaps that just scream out DLC DLC
I think Bioware should get an apology but the fans should get one also and on that note the reaction to the ending could of been handled better they did a DA:2 on that bad boy
#104
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:35
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Elhanan wrote...
No; the consumer has the right to an opinion, and the right to complain. They do not have the right to Demand anything, which is exactly what some of these movements are doing.
Some have been civil, and some have been imaganitive in trying to persuade Bioware to fix the game, and I applaud these methods even if I disagree about the ending. But to those that continually harp, whine, howl, etc and demand change, then perhaps the one that is needed lies with the Player; not Bioware.
And simply because someone believes there is flaw in the design does not make the art less so; simply one opinion which is worth no more or less than another. And I believe every Persian rug has a purposeful flaw, and they are considered masterful designs by many; artisans by trade.
Umm no we just want what Bioware told/promised us we where going to get that is 16 endings and our choices to be meaningful, and for the ends to all be tied up propperly.
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#105
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:37
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Embrosil wrote...
If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.
Why does everyone who supports the ending change vehemently have to consistantly use stupid analogies? Not liking the ending to a game/movie/book has nothing to do with food poisoning, buying a lemon of a car, etc...Maybe it's not so much the analogy that is stupid but the poster of said analogy....
#106
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:38
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What a silly comparison. Gman taking Freeman out of his reality fits in the series (i.e., the ending to Half-Life 1), the starchild popping up out of nowhere does not in Mass Effect.
No, we should not apoligize, especially not after seeing the notes "LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!".
No, we should not apoligize, especially not after seeing the notes "LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!".
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#107
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:38
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No. Lucas constantly going back and revising the Star Wars films is pretty much the poster child of why take backs and re-dos don't go over well in the field of entertainment media. You don't need to justify that crap to justify your want for additional ME3 conclusion content.
So the entire slew of Sherlock Holmes stories are crap because the original was changed so Holmes didn't die due to reader/fan outcry?
Interesting. I never knew Doyle was such a moron loser who committed THE cardinal sin of changing the ending of a work!
Too bad the result was better than the original.
#109
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:40
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Usually a somewhat rational and adult person can quite readily handle hearing the following:
"Yes you did action A really well but action B poorly/wrong."
Making a mistake ( meant in a general way ) does not mean the person ( or entity ) is a mistake as a whole.
I didn't really get caught up in much of the pre release hype or notice anything about there being 16 different endings but if I had I would feel cheated.
IMHO it's akin to false advertising (lets call it "bad form" instead) to say 16 different endings when they are so visually similar.
"Yes you did action A really well but action B poorly/wrong."
Making a mistake ( meant in a general way ) does not mean the person ( or entity ) is a mistake as a whole.
I didn't really get caught up in much of the pre release hype or notice anything about there being 16 different endings but if I had I would feel cheated.
IMHO it's akin to false advertising (lets call it "bad form" instead) to say 16 different endings when they are so visually similar.
#110
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:40
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I won't apologoze until I see something done about the endings.
#111
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:40
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The man of myth wrote...
Embrosil wrote...
If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.
Why does everyone who supports the ending change vehemently have to consistantly use stupid analogies? Not liking the ending to a game/movie/book has nothing to do with food poisoning, buying a lemon of a car, etc...Maybe it's not so much the analogy that is stupid but the poster of said analogy....
I'm afraid you must never ever go to movies again. Mustn't even buy or rent the DVDs or rent online. Why? Because a LOT of movies have the ending changed as a direct result of test screenings with test audiences. These audiences don't like an ending in the original form? IT IS CHANGED.
GASP! The HORROR!
#112
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:43
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It is funny...
Bioware produced with Mass Effect an epic game and now they are receiving hate etc for some "wrong" decisions.
The problem is simple: The game was simply too good ^^
Mass Effect hasn't been just a game for me, it captivated me and was really in the game. I felt love, anger, fought for justice, killed the bad. Not Shepard did, I did.
But if there is a little fact that I doesn't like I am really annoyed, because I fell for this game.
If Mass Effect would have been a bad game, there wouldn't be any hate because of a "bad" ending etc.
Mass Effect plays in another league; and so many people are falling for this game.
And Bioware is not able to please everybody...
Finally, no, I don't think we should apologize, because that doesn't have any benefits; we should support Bioware as a Game Developer and a really magnificant story writer and show love for the Game.
Bioware produced with Mass Effect an epic game and now they are receiving hate etc for some "wrong" decisions.
The problem is simple: The game was simply too good ^^
Mass Effect hasn't been just a game for me, it captivated me and was really in the game. I felt love, anger, fought for justice, killed the bad. Not Shepard did, I did.
But if there is a little fact that I doesn't like I am really annoyed, because I fell for this game.
If Mass Effect would have been a bad game, there wouldn't be any hate because of a "bad" ending etc.
Mass Effect plays in another league; and so many people are falling for this game.
And Bioware is not able to please everybody...
Finally, no, I don't think we should apologize, because that doesn't have any benefits; we should support Bioware as a Game Developer and a really magnificant story writer and show love for the Game.
#113
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:43
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No. Maybe if good folks at BioWare were still an indie dev studio... But if that were the case I suspect that 90% of the negative controversy wouldn't exist in the first place so no reason to apologize anyway.
Here's to hoping their deal with the rEApers runs it's course before they get completely huskified.
Here's to hoping their deal with the rEApers runs it's course before they get completely huskified.
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#114
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:43
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The man of myth wrote...
Embrosil wrote...
If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert makes you vomit, will you also apologize? I do not think so.
Why does everyone who supports the ending change vehemently have to consistantly use stupid analogies? Not liking the ending to a game/movie/book has nothing to do with food poisoning, buying a lemon of a car, etc...Maybe it's not so much the analogy that is stupid but the poster of said analogy....
Well a better analogi would probably be.
If you go to a restaurant, have a wonderful meal but the dessert tastes like crap. Will you then compliment or criticise or both?
#115
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:45
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Everyone should understand that ppl are mad not only because they screwed up the ending/whole trilogy plot, but also that in product of this lvl shouldnt be any kind of of nonsense like lazyness or unprofessionalism, which there were, like Tali`s goddamn photoshopped face, they didint even speak about that, this is what makes ppl mad - diffference in quality
#116
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:46
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If a artist was going to sell me a painting of the 1800's and their was a Ford SUV up at the top corner.I would be ticked.I know I know Art means never having to say your sorry.
#117
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:47
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#118
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:48
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A true man never apologizes.
If you are right, it is never a reason to apologize.
If you are wrong, you didnt do it to start with.
If you are right, it is never a reason to apologize.
If you are wrong, you didnt do it to start with.
#119
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:49
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It's not Bioware that's really at fault. It all those EA bastards, they are ruining it for us, and Bioware, forgive Bioware and shift blame to EA. take them down and help Bioware build themselves back up to being crpg gods.
#120
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:50
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kotli wrote...
Elhanan wrote...
No; the consumer has the right to an opinion, and the right to complain. They do not have the right to Demand anything, which is exactly what some of these movements are doing.
Some have been civil, and some have been imaganitive in trying to persuade Bioware to fix the game, and I applaud these methods even if I disagree about the ending. But to those that continually harp, whine, howl, etc and demand change, then perhaps the one that is needed lies with the Player; not Bioware.
And simply because someone believes there is flaw in the design does not make the art less so; simply one opinion which is worth no more or less than another. And I believe every Persian rug has a purposeful flaw, and they are considered masterful designs by many; artisans by trade.
Umm no we just want what Bioware told/promised us we where going to get that is 16 endings and our choices to be meaningful, and for the ends to all be tied up propperly.
And what was apparently received was multiple endings based on previous choices that are tied properly; the latter a matter of opinion.
#121
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:52
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UrgentArchengel wrote...
It's not Bioware that's really at fault. It all those EA bastards, they are ruining it for us, and Bioware, forgive Bioware and shift blame to EA. take them down and help Bioware build themselves back up to being crpg gods.
No one forced BW to sell to EA.If they did then could you post a link.
#122
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:52
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first of all i havent got eny reson for Apologize cuse endings and some the other things were like having sex wite donky secound of all i havent got eny reson to hate bioware....we are...i dont know what the f*ck we are cuse we both sock
#123
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:53
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UrgentArchengel wrote...
It's not Bioware that's really at fault. It all those EA bastards, they are ruining it for us, and Bioware, forgive Bioware and shift blame to EA. take them down and help Bioware build themselves back up to being crpg gods.
Won't happen. As long as BioWare is making money off of us they'll remain useful to the rEApers. The only way is for them to pick the "destroy" ending.
LOL I kill myself sometimes.
#124
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:57
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What's all the fuss I'm really enjoying it
The genophage tied-up-loose-ends emotionally heartrending sequence alone was worth the purchase
'But wait until you get to the end!'
Old proverb...
'Travelling hopefully is better than arriving'
The anti-climactical mood for some people is quite understandable
We all suffer pangs-after-purchase
Ain't it the truth brother
The genophage tied-up-loose-ends emotionally heartrending sequence alone was worth the purchase
'But wait until you get to the end!'
Old proverb...
'Travelling hopefully is better than arriving'
The anti-climactical mood for some people is quite understandable
We all suffer pangs-after-purchase
Ain't it the truth brother
#125
Posté 26 mars 2012 - 01:59
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Never once have i said anything negative about Bioware what would i need to apologize for ? Time and time again they have said we are co creators of the game. That is a fact. They said we would get wildly different endings. That is fact. There are many more but had they said none of those things from the beginning, then i for one wouldn't even be here. They have to be willing to take the good with the bad. They talk about implementing may of our ideas to make the games what they are and that is one of the many reasons fans have grown to love this franchise . Any time an issue is brought up there will always be jerks on both sides of the fence, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. To expect and apology from them will never happen. It would simply lead to a new fence.
