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[Blennus]

Besides the obvious of not doing any MP, I believe that these decisions result in the lowest possible war assets, please correct me if I'm wrong:

Mass Effect 1
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Kill the Rachni Queen
Zhu's Hope Colony lost
Have Conrad Die (optional, preferable to have him die in ME2 on the 360)
Beat up Reporter (optional)
Kill Kirrahe on Virmire
Preven Wrex from dying (if you dont' want to invest points in charm or intimidate, and don't want to do his family armor quest you can always not recruit garrus on the Citadel, and go to Virmire before you recruit Liara. This results in Wrex automatically standing down no matter what)
Balak (BDtS): Alive (optional, as in you don't have to do or have this DLC at all, Balak still shows up in ME3)
Council: Alive

Mass Effect 2
Beat up Reporter (optional)
Have Conrad Die (if you didn't do so in ME1 (optional))
No Normandy upgrades
Rewrite Heretics
Destroy Maelon's Data
Remaining Teammates: Pick two: Morinth, Legion, Mordin, Miranda and / or Grunt
All other crew members dead
Don't complete Overlord
Don't complete Arrival
Don't complete Lair of the Shadow Broker (does this make a difference?)
Use up as much of your money and mineral stores as possible (just run out of fuel till you do so)
Destroy the Collector Base (for worst vaporize ending)

Mass Effect 3
Ignore Diana Allers
Ignore Dr. Michel (Make sure Dr. Chakwas and the rest of the crew is dead)
Beat up Reporter (optional)
Ignore Eden Prime, Leviathan, Omega and any other future DLC
Ignore Grissom Academy
Indoctrinated Rachni queen Saved (Grunt dies here if non-loyal)
Ignore Tuchanka Bomb Mission (Krogan Clans Decimated)
Sabotage the Genophage cure and kill Wrex (and Mordin if he survived ME2) (No Krogan Support)
Don't save Admiral Zaal'Koris
Support Tali not Admiral Xen (support conversation on the Normandy, (optional as Tali can be dead))
Support Admiral Raan not Admiral Gerrel (support conversation on the Normandy)
Don't complete Geth Fighter Squadrons Mission
Quarians Alive, and Geth Destroyed (Legion dies here too if he survived ME2)
Kill Virmire Survivor
Ignore Aria T'loak
Kill Balak
Ignore any quests looking for help on the Citadel
Don't make Liara talk to her Father
Approve the Asari Huntress Weapon Request
Approve the Transfer Request
Approve the sale of illegal weapons to civilians
Don't approve any other Spectre Terminal Requests
Don't make friendly with Cortez

Conversations on the Citadel:
Support the C-Sec Turian not the Apollo Cafe Owner
Support the Refugee not the Dock Officer
Support the Angry Merchant not the Worried Merchant

I think this is everything. Did I miss anything?

That would give us the following totals:

Aliens:
Citadel Defense Force: -2

Alliance:
Alliance Engineering Corps: 30
103rd Marine Division: 50
Alliance First Fleet: 65
Alliance Third Fleet: 51
Alliance Fifth Fleet: 65
Alliance Frigate Normandy SR-2: 50
Mineral Resources: 10
Alliance Sixth Fleet: 90

Asari:
The Destiny Ascension 70
Asari Science Team: 90
Asari Second Fleet: 90
Asari Sixth Fleet: 90

Crucible:
Reaper Heart: 100 (doesn't count)

Krogan:
Urdnot Wrex: 0
Aralakh Company: 25
Krogan Clans: 0
Clan Urdnot: 0

Quarian:
Admiral Daro'Xen: 25
Quarian Civilian Fleet: 50
Quarian Heavy Fleet: 140
Quarian Patrol Fleet: 150

Salarian:
Salarian First Fleet: 150

Turian:
Turian Sixth Fleet: 135
Turian 43rd Marine Division: 90
Turian Seventh Fleet: 90
Turian Engineering Corps: 110

For Total War Assets of 1714
Thus EMS @ 50% readiness = 857

Incidentally if you want to let the council die, then your minimum Total war assets will be 1744, with an EMS of 872.

As you can see if you play any multiplayer at all, you are severly limited in what you can do if you want to get the worst endings. If you promote at all, it becomes impossible to get the worst ending barring playing offline.

Modifié par Blennus, 22 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .

[zer0netgain]

Interesting. Someone had a thread tabulating what you get for each choice, but I can't find it now.

I would presume getting max points would be to do the opposite of your list. Anyone else have feedback?

[Blennus]

Anyone have the numbers for if you Let Balak live in ME1, and kill him in ME3? It's not on the wiki either.

[x-president]

My lowest EMS on a fresh ME3 character was 1327 after Cerberus. Any lower it really doesn't matter becasue I think the end comes out the same. You only get one choice and that is to destroy everything including anything on Earth.


I think if you are below 1k, you can't attack Cerberus. From what I've heard you fail before it even starts. So I don't think the game lets you do that.

[switch1234]

I got 1271 EMS
One choice
It was control
I think TIM wins.

[IanPolaris]

switch1234 wrote...

I got 1271 EMS
One choice
It was control
I think TIM wins.

If you are bottoming out your EMS, you get one and only one option. It is destroy if you destroyed the collector base in ME2 and control if you saved it.  Either way the earth is (literally) toast.

-Polaris

[Quething]

Do you still get Mikhailovich if you fail to persuade him to back off the Normandy in ME1? That could shave a few more points off the Alliance score.

[Priisus]

Quething wrote...

Do you still get Mikhailovich if you fail to persuade him to back off the Normandy in ME1? That could shave a few more points off the Alliance score.

Yes, he's there as long as you chose to sacrifice the Council, regardless of your "persuassion" with him in ME.

It's my thread here for those wanting to know how to get each of the assets... but damn lol is this a "worst possible" playthrough list?

[Blennus]

Thanks priisus for your thread reference. Updated original post with that information.
With this, it should be the complete worst possible play-through list.

[Blennus]

bump

[EricHVela]

Why isn't this stickied?

(No. Seriously. This helps people trying to experience different things in the game -- aside from the obvious one-ending issue -- like how missions change and such.)

[Gold Dragon]

Priisus wrote...

Quething wrote...

Do you still get Mikhailovich if you fail to persuade him to back off the Normandy in ME1? That could shave a few more points off the Alliance score.

Yes, he's there as long as you chose to sacrifice the Council, regardless of your "persuassion" with him in ME.

It's my thread here for those wanting to know how to get each of the assets... but damn lol is this a "worst possible" playthrough list?

Strange.  I had both the Admiral AND the Destiny Ascension War Assets in ME 3.

[EricHVela]

If Rana Thanoptis survives Virmire, an ANN report says she bombed an Asari research facility and the committed suicide after being caught. She stated she was hearing voices telling her about Asari ascendancy and that someone needed to kill anyone opposing the Reapers.

Does she have any negative effect on War Assets in ME3 if she was allowed to live in ME1?

[Blennus]

Unfortunately keeping Rana alive doesn't impact War Assets as far as I know, which is really too bad, as it could have impacted the Asari.

[EricHVela]

Blennus wrote...

Unfortunately keeping Rana alive doesn't impact War Assets as far as I know, which is really too bad, as it could have impacted the Asari.

Bummer. It's down-right cold-blooded in ME1 to kill her. I think it would put a Ruthless Calculus spin on the event.

[shepskisaac]

IanPolaris wrote...

switch1234 wrote...

I got 1271 EMS
One choice
It was control
I think TIM wins.

If you are bottoming out your EMS, you get one and only one option. It is destroy if you destroyed the collector base in ME2 and control if you saved it.  Either way the earth is (literally) toast.

-Polaris

So this is absolutely 100% confirmed that you do in fact get only Control if you saved the Base AND have super-low EMS? Since I never saw any vid on Youtube of it and haven't tested myself yet and thought that maybe it was cut/changed before the release and that Destroy was always the 1 single options for lowest EMS (even if you saved Collector Base)

Modifié par IsaacShep, 25 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[EricHVela]

If Chakwas survived ME2, make sure you invite her to the Normandy, or else, she'll become a war asset if you make her stay on the Citadel. I don't know if ignoring her is enough to avoid it.

If you invite a doctor to the Normandy, don't do their quests and don't drink with Dr. Chakwas in ME3.

To avoid this altogether, find a way to refuse escorting the survivors in ME2, killing Dr. Chakwas, and ignore Dr. Michel in ME3 (or just be sure to not Charm/Intimidate her into joining if you talk to Dr. Michel).

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 03 mai 2012 - 12:26 .

[EricHVela]

If you did something silly like romance the Virmire Survivor in ME1, make sure you take them onto the Normandy or, else, they will become +25 war assets.

[EricHVela]

Shepard can be nice to Cortez (and even romance him), but to avoid the Rogue Fighter war asset, just don't read his "Met some old friends at Citadel memorial" email. That's the trigger for adding the war asset, but it doesn't prevent Shepard from continuing the conversations with Cortez if Shepard doesn't read that email.

[EricHVela]

Don't forget to SpecTRe authorize sales of illegal weapons to civilians after siding with the Angry Merchant.

Also: When an item reaches 0, it is removed from the list of assets. However, some "Update:" items can take an asset below 0. They will still not appear as an asset, but you will still have the negative value against the total.

ex: With a Total Military Strength (not EMS) of 1793, I had +2 for Alien: Citadel Defense Force. I authorized the sale that I mentioned above. The Alien category vanished altogether, but my TMS (not EMS) was down to 1789. That's -4 and not -2. It still counts the extra negative value beyond zero.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 05 mai 2012 - 06:28 .

[EricHVela]

Current playthrough: 1879 TMS, 939 EMS, starting Priority: Earth

Again, some actions take items into negative values. Items with values of 0 or below do not show. Adding what's showing together won't necessarily match the total if any item is in the negative.

[Herr_Fritz]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Current playthrough: 1879 TMS, 939 EMS, starting Priority: Earth

lol 939
pure awsomesauce

[EricHVela]

It is worthy to note that the QA department missed a lot of things when you go for the lowest TMS. There are glitches abound with cutscenes. (During the Rannoch missions, Shepard did a little ballet move while trying to walk away from "Legion" in a scene. Despite having no subtitles, Shepard: Steve! appeared when Steve was crashing -- despite having Vega who usually has something to say instead of Shepard -- and Shepard said nothing. None of these things happened in playthroughs with ME2 survivors.)

[EricHVela]

Hmmm. Ended the same way. I thought that little blue line for "Minimum" would make something else happen if you didn't reach it.

[Blennus]

Wow! 939? I'll have to take a look at the numbers again. Thanks again for the feedback Reggar. Seriously. I haven't done the worst possible war assets play-through yet, so your comments are very helpful. And if I recall correctly you can kill the Virmire Survivor during priority Citadel 2 even if you romanced them, so that's another way of taking care of them, should you wish.

Modifié par Blennus, 08 mai 2012 - 10:24 .