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[SpiderFan1217]

Ten years and the ME universe is back up and running. Playing ME2 and listening to Matriarch Aethyta, it can easily be infered that the species in the current cycle are clearly capable of building their own Mass Relays. Plus, even if it takes years to get to other systems they still have Com Boeys, (Is that right? How do you spell Boey?) so they can still communicate to coordinate their efferts. Looking at the Crucible, it took them, a large group of scientists and engineers, what a couple of months to build that massive thing. A whole universe could get Relays to the major systems up and running in no time. Yep, ten years and it's like the Relays were never gone. What do you guys think?

EDIT: New info.

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I got it. The Comm Bouys (I figured it out.) are actually tiny Mass Relays themselves. REbuild them first, you always get communication up first. Then proceed as mentioned in my first post.

Also, the Comm Bouys are only used for real-time communication. It takes weeks to years to do it without them though.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 26 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[MJF JD]

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.

[SpiderFan1217]

MJF JD wrote...

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.

Source?

[bob rancher]

Do the com buoys need the mass relays to talk over the long distances though? I would imagine they do (though I admit i have no idea)

[Zeratul20]

Most likely.

Control: the reapers can rebuild the relays.
Synthesis: ditto
Destroy: Use the reaper wrecks to rebuild the mass relays.

(I don't know.)

Oh, and communication via QEC doesn't need the relays, right?

Modifié par Zeratul20, 26 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[Spectre-00N7]

MJF JD wrote...

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.

And entangled particles, but there were only a few of those.

[1490]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.

Source?

It was in the ME 1 codex. I don't know what heading it was under, but it was explained during the game that the comm buoys use the mass relays to send their signals long distance.  Otherwise, communication can't be instant: it will take as long as FTL travel does.

[Dark Specie]

Too bad that they probably won't have the luxurity of concentrating on rebuilding the relays though. I mean, considering how much death & destruction the Reapers caused, what resources the races of the galaxy have left are going to be funneled towards cleaning up after the Reapers (restoring infrastructure and such things)...

I've always thought that under the circumstances in the galaxy post-ending, it's going to be a couple hundred of years at the very least before we see any new kind of relay or the like.

Modifié par Dark Specie, 26 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[SpiderFan1217]

I got it. The Comm Bouys (I figured it out.) are actually tiny Mass Relays themselves. REbuild them first, you always get communication up first. Then proceed as mentioned in my first post.

Also, the Comm Bouys are only used for real-time communication. It takes weeks to years to do it without them though.

[rma2110]

I love your optimism SpiderFan. It's very refreshing.

[Ozzyfan223]

the epilogue prooves otherwise, in my eyes. Thats why I hated it so much, it showed that people had long forgotten other species and planets. The ending would've hurt a tiny bit less without it

[SpiderFan1217]

Dark Specie wrote...

Too bad that they probably won't have the luxurity of concentrating on rebuilding the relays though. I mean, considering how much death & destruction the Reapers caused, what resources the races of the galaxy have left are going to be funneled towards cleaning up after the Reapers (restoring infrastructure and such things)...

  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

[SpiderFan1217]

rma2110 wrote...

I love your optimism SpiderFan. It's very refreshing.

Thank Marvel. Thanks to them optimism is something I have loads of.

[MJF JD]

Real-time communication is possible thanks to networks of expensive mass relay comm buoys that can daisy-chain a transmission via lasers.
Comm buoys are maintained in patterns built outward from each mass relay. The buoys are little more than a cluster of primitive, miniature mass relays. Each individual buoy is connected to a partner on another buoy in the network, forming a corridor of low-mass space. Tightbeam communications lasers are piped through these "tubes" of FTL space, allowing virtually instantaneous communication to anywhere on the network. The networks connect across regions by communications lasers through the mass relays.

they arent relays themselves they function through the mass relay.

[Ziggeh]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

A whole universe could get Relays to the major systems up and running in no time.

Firstly, "unlocking relay technology" was the pinnacle achievement of the previous, more advanced civilisation, so chances are they're a ways off even knowing how. 

Add to that the fact that if you could built them, you'd then have to move them into place, which at the speeds we're given is 20+ years for some parts of the galaxy (assuming you can even move them at full FTL)

The only thing they've got going for them is that all the scientists you'd want working on it are probably trapped in the same place as they were working on the crucible. Better hope they have the resources.

[Bendok]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.

Source?

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Technology#Communications

Comm buoys ARE mass relays. Mass relays gone = no comm with other systems.

Modifié par Bendok, 26 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

the epilogue prooves otherwise, in my eyes. Thats why I hated it so much, it showed that people had long forgotten other species and planets. The ending would've hurt a tiny bit less without it

I didn't see how it show'd that? I guess it could be infered, but I always just assumed the boy had never been off-world.

[MJF JD]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

the epilogue prooves otherwise, in my eyes. Thats why I hated it so much, it showed that people had long forgotten other species and planets. The ending would've hurt a tiny bit less without it

I didn't see how it show'd that? I guess it could be infered, but I always just assumed the boy had never been off-world.

this i agree with.  It is more implied that the child can go into space soon rather than that noone can go into space anymore.

[Evil_medved]

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

[SpiderFan1217]

Bendok wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.

Source?

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Technology#Communications

Comm buoys ARE mass relays. Mass relays gone = no comm with other systems.

Beat you to it. See previous posts. They are tiny Mass Relays. Easily rebuilt. As I said, Communications always comes first. I stand by my estimate of ten years.

[Pandaman102]

The galaxy's best and brightest were gathered to work on the Crucible, so it's a given you'll have the brainpower to attempt such a task... but the problem boils down to manpower and resources.

Would construction of a massive, anti-Reaper weapon been done near a well-known colony, where it could be attacked by Reapers? It looked like they were hiding in some nebula, probably to avoid detection. Would the allied fleets have brought the whole of the non-combatant scientists with them to the fight? Probably not, aside from engineers to maintain the ships the rest would not have been dead weight. It's most likely they would have been left behind, fully expecting the mass relays to continue working, and be able to head home after the war was over.

Except that wasn't the case.

So the most likely scenario is that everyone who is capable of building a mass relay is located in one spot, far away from colonies (and food), unable to get back home, and used up most (if not all) of their resources building the Crucible.

Think it'll take a lot longer than ten years.

[SilencedScream]

Yeah; communication wasn't instant, even with the mass relays. For ME3 source - if you save the rachni queen, immediately following, Traynor will state that it would be great to have an instantaneous line of communication through them after the war is over.

However, that itself is only possible if the rachni are spread out (as opposed to just being at Earth and their own home - which are where they are, because they simply want to be left alone and everyone else is ****ing terrified).

[GnusmasTHX]

They'd just use QEC's.

They're not as rare as people seem to think. Anderson has them spread across Earth. Most advanced form of communication available to the galaxy and they use them for inter-continental communication.

[SpiderFan1217]

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

Your post is fail. This is easily explained. Different type of explosion. No supernova type reaction. Please stop trying to derail the discussion.

[Militarized]

The Comm Buoys require Mass Relays... that's why they position them AT the Mass Relay and not next to earth. They slingshot the data through the relay.

The storyboard in the final hours app specifically states all endings = a new galactic dark age, in plain english that means technology is thrown backwards/lost. 

So no, it won't be 10 years. 10,000 years later at the Stargazer epilogue and they still don't have space flight... so GG Mass Effect universe. 

The devs will have to retcon their own lore(again) to fix it unless they scrap these endings. 

Modifié par Militarized, 26 mars 2012 - 12:10 .