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[JasmoVT]

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

There is absolutely no rational basis for equating the arrival explosion caused by crashing an asteroid into a relay with the internal breakup of the relays. It like like saying if an nuclear explosion wipes out a city, then using a strip of C-4 to open a door will also wipe out a city. It is a complete falsehood some folks insist on perpetuating because they want to be miserable and will make up any nonsense to justify their misery.

[Evil_medved]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

Your post is fail. This is easily explained. Different type of explosion. No supernova type reaction. Please stop trying to derail the discussion.

Then why Normandy was crashed by relay shockwave? It has colour of relay explosion you choose, meaning that shockwaves are big and destructive.

No point in disscussion, everybody is dead,

[SilencedScream]

Pandaman102 wrote...

The galaxy's best and brightest were gathered to work on the Crucible, so it's a given you'll have the brainpower to attempt such a task... but the problem boils down to manpower and resources.

Also, this. In order to build a mass relay point in another system, you'd need to actually travel to that system to get it built and - possibly - aligned, I'm sure (God forbid you miss the "receiving" mass relay and, you know, crash into a planet or something that might not support all of your crew...)

Therefore, it would take time to figure out how to make it, make one, travel to another system, make another one, travel again...and again...and again...

Even splitting up, you'd need to coordinate through via communication (which will take nearly as long as traveling), so...

Yeah, the future is so bright. Thank you, Shepard.

[GnusmasTHX]

Evil_medved wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

Your post is fail. This is easily explained. Different type of explosion. No supernova type reaction. Please stop trying to derail the discussion.

Then why Normandy was crashed by relay shockwave? It has colour of relay explosion you choose, meaning that shockwaves are big and destructive.

No point in disscussion, everybody is dead,

Great logic:

Normandy is destroyed, therefore everyone is dead. Even though everyone on the Normandy is alive.

[Ziggeh]

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

You think the plan was to save all organic life by ending all organic life?

[likta_]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

Too bad that they probably won't have the luxurity of concentrating on rebuilding the relays though. I mean, considering how much death & destruction the Reapers caused, what resources the races of the galaxy have left are going to be funneled towards cleaning up after the Reapers (restoring infrastructure and such things)...

  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

"Hey Boss, we are starving over here. And dying of cholera! We should totaly get the infrastructure going"

"Shut up!  I'm still searching for that god damn Asari-Hanar vid on the extranet!!!"

[Flextt]

Just a little thought: The Normandy is said to have the most expensive eezo core to date. It has twice the size of the core of a usual frigate. Kahoku somewhere states that you could have build 10000 fighters instead of gathering only the eezo for the core of the SSV Normandy.

That said, the eezo core of mass relays ABSOLUTELY DWARFS even the Normandy's relatively massive core. I doubt we would be able to gather significant Eezo resources to even create 1, lest 2.

[SilencedScream]

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

For the sake of this thread, let's assume the explosions don't kill everyone.
Even with that assumption, everything still sucks like hell, even for the best ending.

[Mcjon01]

If you look at the design notes, using the Crucible is supposed to start a galactic dark age. They'll probably recover eventually, but... ten years doesn't seem likely. Who ever heard of a ten year dark age?

[Militarized]

Intragalactic travel is also impossible in Mass Effect without the Mass Relays, it's said right in the beginning of the game in Mass Effect 1, so they couldn't make 1 relay and then travel to the other side to make another one.

[Bendok]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Beat you to it. See previous posts. They are tiny Mass Relays. Easily rebuilt. As I said, Communications always comes first. I stand by my estimate of ten years.

Easily rebuilt in a cluster of systems maybe, but each inhabited cluster is very far apart. There's no refueling stations in between these clusters. 

If others happen to be rebuilding relays in other clusters, they can't magically link with ones being built by others with whom they hae no communication with. It would take coordination to link 2 relays.

I don't think it would be as simple as you assume.

[SpiderFan1217]

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

Too bad that they probably won't have the luxurity of concentrating on rebuilding the relays though. I mean, considering how much death & destruction the Reapers caused, what resources the races of the galaxy have left are going to be funneled towards cleaning up after the Reapers (restoring infrastructure and such things)...

  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

"Hey Boss, we are starving over here. And dying of cholera! We should totaly get the infrastructure going"

"Shut up!  I'm still searching for that god damn Asari-Hanar vid on the extranet!!!"

lols

[Ziggeh]

Mcjon01 wrote...

If you look at the design notes, using the Crucible is supposed to start a galactic dark age. They'll probably recover eventually, but... ten years doesn't seem likely. Who ever heard of a ten year dark age?

In fairness our sample size for that is pretty small.

[Admiral H. Cain]

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

[Militarized]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

10,000 years, it's in the game script/notes. 

[SpiderFan1217]

Bendok wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Beat you to it. See previous posts. They are tiny Mass Relays. Easily rebuilt. As I said, Communications always comes first. I stand by my estimate of ten years.

Easily rebuilt in a cluster of systems maybe, but each inhabited cluster is very far apart. There's no refueling stations in between these clusters. 

If others happen to be rebuilding relays in other clusters, they can't magically link with ones being built by others with whom they hae no communication with. It would take coordination to link 2 relays.

I don't think it would be as simple as you assume.

I don't think it'd be simple. I said ten years, and I assume they'll be making this top priority.

[GnusmasTHX]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

Or they, like everyone else in the game, don't know his first name. 

[Nu-Nu]

If endings are taken on face value. Keepers are the key to rebuilding new mass relays, just got to figure out a way to stop them from turning into a goo when you try and interact with them.

In the control ending, the Citadel doesn't suffer from explosions, earth and everyone stuck in the Sol system just need to figure out how to get the keepers to build new relays since they know how to rebuild the citadel. The other endings are screwed unless the Keepers hid in some explosion proof tunnels.

[SpiderFan1217]

Militarized wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

10,000 years, it's in the game script/notes. 

10,000 years since Shep saved the galaxy or 10,000 years since they've been able to fly in space?

[Dark Specie]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

Isn't that assuming it's feasible to do so? As others have said, restoring the relays is a gigantic task, one that might take a lot of time, manpower and resources to do. Depending on exactly HOW gigantic and/or feasible a task that is, it might just be decided that the task of restoring the relays is a task that'll have to wait until civillization is in a better shape...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 26 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Dark Specie wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

Isn't that assuming it's feasible to do so? As others have said, restoring the relays is a gigantic task, one that might take a lot of time, manpower and resources to do. Depending on exactly HOW gigantic and/or feasible a task that is, it might just be decided that the task of restoring the relays is a task that'll have to wait until civillization is in a better shape...

I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 26 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[Admiral H. Cain]

Militarized wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

10,000 years, it's in the game script/notes. 

Well, there ya go. 

[Bendok]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I don't think it'd be simple. I said ten years, and I assume they'll be making this top priority.

Actually I took you saying "easily rebuilt" as simple.

I still can't see past the problem of conventionally traveling hundreds and hundreds of light years to coordinate the setup of linked relays. Even if they could maybe harvest raw fuel from gas giants along the way or something, the systems in between are totally uncharted. They are flying blind and might run out of fuel before finding somewhere to refine and manufacture more fuel.

I think it's doable but it would take centuries at minimum to setup the relay network again as it was.

Agree to disagree.

[Dark Specie]

Flextt wrote...Kahoku somewhere states

It's not Kohaku, but Mikhailovich who states that. Just FYI

[SpiderFan1217]

Bendok wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I don't think it'd be simple. I said ten years, and I assume they'll be making this top priority.

Actually I took you saying "easily rebuilt" as simple.

I still can't see past the problem of conventionally traveling hundreds and hundreds of light years to coordinate the setup of linked relays. Even if they could maybe harvest raw fuel from gas giants along the way or something, the systems in between are totally uncharted. They are flying blind and might run out of fuel before finding somewhere to refine and manufacture more fuel.

I think it's doable but it would take centuries at minimum to setup the relay network again as it was.

Agree to disagree.

They use Comm Bouys to coordinate between systems that are far away.