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[Admiral H. Cain]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

Isn't that assuming it's feasible to do so? As others have said, restoring the relays is a gigantic task, one that might take a lot of time, manpower and resources to do. Depending on exactly HOW gigantic and/or feasible a task that is, it might just be decided that the task of restoring the relays is a task that'll have to wait until civillization is in a better shape...

I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

Finding food, water and other necessities would be infinitely times more important than building mass relays considering that Earth is pretty much totally decimated. The mass relays are probably the last thing on anyone's mind. 

Modifié par Admiral H. Cain, 26 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[Militarized]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

10,000 years, it's in the game script/notes. 

10,000 years since Shep saved the galaxy or 10,000 years since they've been able to fly in space?

10,000 years since Shep "saved" the galaxy.. in my view he did not save anything if every ending = a galactic dark age, I find that morally reprehensible. Though that could just be because I'm a History major >.>. I digress. 

They don't have space flight in the epilogue and it's been 10k years since shep "saved" everyone. 

[SpiderFan1217]

Militarized wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

10,000 years, it's in the game script/notes. 

10,000 years since Shep saved the galaxy or 10,000 years since they've been able to fly in space?

10,000 years since Shep "saved" the galaxy.. in my view he did not save anything if every ending = a galactic dark age, I find that morally reprehensible. Though that could just be because I'm a History major >.>. I digress. 

They don't have space flight in the epilogue and it's been 10k years since shep "saved" everyone. 

How do we know this?

[Dark Specie]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

Yeah, you, the extreme optimist

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

Okay, that's possibly a bit more of a doable goal, but I remain skeptical towards just how much of a priority this task'd get...

[NReed106]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

Your post is fail. This is easily explained. Different type of explosion. No supernova type reaction. Please stop trying to derail the discussion.

Okay so at best everyone ends up like Joker with their ship stranded on Earth, that's a big if though as not all ships were designed to land and judging from the evidence of how the Normandy's engines are torn apart by the explosion yes the explosion is in fact very dangerous

[GnusmasTHX]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

This would make sense and all if the stargazer scene hadn't happened. By referring to Commander Shepard as "The Shepard," it's obvious that A LOT of time has passed, at least a few generations.

10,000 years, it's in the game script/notes. 

10,000 years since Shep saved the galaxy or 10,000 years since they've been able to fly in space?

10,000 years since Shep "saved" the galaxy.. in my view he did not save anything if every ending = a galactic dark age, I find that morally reprehensible. Though that could just be because I'm a History major >.>. I digress. 

They don't have space flight in the epilogue and it's been 10k years since shep "saved" everyone. 

How do we know this?

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

[SpiderFan1217]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

Isn't that assuming it's feasible to do so? As others have said, restoring the relays is a gigantic task, one that might take a lot of time, manpower and resources to do. Depending on exactly HOW gigantic and/or feasible a task that is, it might just be decided that the task of restoring the relays is a task that'll have to wait until civillization is in a better shape...

I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

Finding food, water and other necessities would be infinitely times more important than building mass relays considering that Earth is pretty much totally decimated. The mass relays are probably the last thing on anyone's mind. 

I don't think the food and water thing would be that hard. They are in the future. If not, Just pass out the nutrient paste tubes.

[SpiderFan1217]

Dark Specie wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

Yeah, you, the extreme optimist

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

Okay, that's possibly a bit more of a doable goal, but I remain skeptical towards just how much of a priority this task'd get...

The optimism is MARVEL'S FAULT not mine.

[Militarized]

[quote]SpiderFan1217 wrote...

[quote]Militarized wrote...

10,000 years since Shep saved the galaxy or 10,000 years since they've been able to fly in space?[/quote]

10,000 years since Shep "saved" the galaxy.. in my view he did not save anything if every ending = a galactic dark age, I find that morally reprehensible. Though that could just be because I'm a History major >.>. I digress. 

They don't have space flight in the epilogue and it's been 10k years since shep "saved" everyone. 

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How do we know this?[/quote]

It's inferred in what he says, with evidence to support it from the final app story board & the design notes. The kid asks his grandfather if he'll ever be able to visit the stars, as if it's something their not able to do. That coupled with the idea of a new dark age, It seems clear they went for the narrative "reset" button... the technology is lost, we are reset back to being primitive to avoid the bull **** singularity theory. 

So instead of AI killing us, the galaxy need only sneeze in our general direction and we will go extinct. Thanks a lot catalyst. 

[SpiderFan1217]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

  Win!! High-five!! 

[CmdrPwn]

Militarized wrote...

The storyboard in the final hours app specifically states all endings = a new galactic dark age, in plain english that means technology is thrown backwards/lost.

[Hendrik.III]

Creating one mass relay is a giant undertaking - how can you gather enough resources with everything in ruin and limited space travel? Galactic trade is on its ass...

Creating many more AND getting them to their respective locations is something else entirely. 10 years may well be 10 centuries.

[likta_]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

  Win!! High-five!! 

Yeah, what else could he have told him? "No little Billy, your sorry ass is stranded forever on this god damn jurassic park planet"? It's unlikely that a grandpa would be that harsh. He just told little Billy what little Billy wanted to hear.

[Militarized]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

How do we know this?

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

I think you need to rewatch it. The Grandfather answers him as if he's about to pat him on the head and say "ya sure...." as if it's something unreachable. Then gives an inspiring line about what's out there in the big wide galaxy. 

Modifié par Militarized, 26 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Dark Specie]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
I don't think the food and water thing would be that hard. They are in the future. If not, Just pass out the nutrient paste tubes.

Lol, I'm amazed at how you handwave the problem so simply

GnusmasTHX wrote...
We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

That might just be the kind of thing you tell children, but doesn't really believe. Or maybe you believe it, but don't actually know exactly when it'll be possible...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 26 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[NReed106]

double post

Modifié par NReed106, 26 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[NReed106]

[quote]NReed106 wrote...

[quote]Militarized wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

How do we know this?[/quote]

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

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I think you need to rewatch it. The Grandfather answers him as if he's about to pat him on the head and say "ya sure...." as if it's something unreachable. Then gives an inspiring line about what's out there in the big wide galaxy. 

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Or the gramps is just padding the kid's dreams saying "oh maybe someday" there is no hard evidence one way or the other

[SpiderFan1217]

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

  Win!! High-five!! 

Yeah, what else could he have told him? "No little Billy, your sorry ass is stranded forever on this god damn jurassic park planet"? It's unlikely that a grandpa would be that harsh. He just told little Billy what little Billy wanted to hear.

Funny, very funny.  I'm under the impression that they had space travel.

[Rane7685]

Spectre-00N7 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.

And entangled particles, but there were only a few of those.

Quantum entanglement exists today it is a real phenomenon it ddoesnt rely  on ficticious mass relays. (Im not saying you said they were just fyi for people that werent aware of this)

[Thetri]

I'm sure Bioware will come up with some random storyline where every ship has new tech that no longer requires the relays. Using reapers parts in the destroy ending, or the reapers themselves rebuild them. Also in the destroy ending a few reapers remain intact. Maybe they could repair them and use them as starships.

[GnusmasTHX]

Militarized wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

How do we know this?

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

I think you need to rewatch it. The Grandfather answers him as if he's about to pat him on the head and say "ya sure...." as if it's something unreachable. Then gives an inspiring line about what's out there in the big wide galaxy. 

Don't think so. The kid asks on the assumption that space travel is within the realm of possibility, and the gramps answers, "one day..." Pretty much indicative that they have some form of space travel.

I mean why ask "when" rather than "can" if it's not even possible.

Also if that really is set 10, 000 years, it's stupid to think they don't.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 26 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[Militarized]

[quote]NReed106 wrote...

[quote]Militarized wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

How do we know this?[/quote]

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

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I think you need to rewatch it. The Grandfather answers him as if he's about to pat him on the head and say "ya sure...." as if it's something unreachable. Then gives an inspiring line about what's out there in the big wide galaxy. 

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Or the gramps is just padding the kid's dreams saying "oh maybe someday" there is no hard evidence one way or the other

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You could make that argument but the narrative "reset" button fits more in line with what they seemed to have been going for, landing on a "garden of eden" so to speak... which I don't have enough hands nor faces to facepalm at and if they haven't reattained some form of space flight after 10,000 years.... that's just total fail. 

It hasn't even been 2,000 years for US after our "dark age" and we have attained limited space flight and are exploring our solar system, and we don't have the luxury like the ME universe of having the forknowledge, supposedly, of how that is achievable. 

It's depressing I know, that they kill off their own IP it seems and I'd love to be proven wrong but this seems to be the direction narratively they wanted... resetting us back to primitives out of some asinine technophobia theory. 

[SpiderFan1217]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
I don't think the food and water thing would be that hard. They are in the future. If not, Just pass out the nutrient paste tubes.

Lol, I'm amazed at how you handwave the problem so simply


EDIT: Messed up the quote. That sucks.

Nutrient paste dude. Get with it. Matter cannot be created or destroyed = UNLIMITED SUPPLY. Sure, it taste like sh*t, but it'll keep you alive.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 26 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[FatalX7.0]

Oh yes, the galaxy is ravaged, all of the fleets and races are stranded above a decimated Earth, we're gonna get along juuuuust fine. 10 years? Ha! No problem.

We obviously have enough food on these ships to feed us for...a month. Yeah, that'd be good.

Turians and Quarians...hmm...well, I guess they could just eat each other, since all of the other food is toxic and will kill them.

But then, we could all crash land on Earth! It may have been crapped on by giant sentient machines for a few months, but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to support all of us! That is, if some of the flora doesn't kill us.

Alright, now we can take this scrap of junk, and those scraps of junk...and...

How do we get back up into space, now? Oh whatever, just gather as much scraps of junk as you can!

Now that we've got some big piles of scraps of junk, let's get to building the Mass Relays, which were absolutely enormous in size and created by giant sentient machines with technology far more advanced than anything else in the galaxy! Yeah!

[likta_]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

  Win!! High-five!! 

Yeah, what else could he have told him? "No little Billy, your sorry ass is stranded forever on this god damn jurassic park planet"? It's unlikely that a grandpa would be that harsh. He just told little Billy what little Billy wanted to hear.

Funny, very funny.  I'm under the impression that they had space travel.

What makes you think that there is space travel? There is nothing to support this in the vid. Not even lights on one of the moons that seem to have vegetation and oceans.