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[FatalX7.0]

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

  Win!! High-five!! 

Yeah, what else could he have told him? "No little Billy, your sorry ass is stranded forever on this god damn jurassic park planet"? It's unlikely that a grandpa would be that harsh. He just told little Billy what little Billy wanted to hear.

Funny, very funny.  I'm under the impression that they had space travel.

What makes you think that there is space travel? There is nothing to support this in the vid. Not even lights on one of the moons that seem to have vegetation and oceans.

I wouldn't bother.

The OP doesn't seem to want to accept anything that anyone else says.

[Skyline45]

What about the quantum communication that seem to be experimental in ME2, but in common practice during ME3?

[SpiderFan1217]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh yes, the galaxy is ravaged, all of the fleets and races are stranded above a decimated Earth, we're gonna get along juuuuust fine. 10 years? Ha! No problem.

We obviously have enough food on these ships to feed us for...a month. Yeah, that'd be good.

Turians and Quarians...hmm...well, I guess they could just eat each other, since all of the other food is toxic and will kill them.

But then, we could all crash land on Earth! It may have been crapped on by giant sentient machines for a few months, but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to support all of us! That is, if some of the flora doesn't kill us.

Alright, now we can take this scrap of junk, and those scraps of junk...and...

How do we get back up into space, now? Oh whatever, just gather as much scraps of junk as you can!

Now that we've got some big piles of scraps of junk, let's get to building the Mass Relays, which were absolutely enormous in size and created by giant sentient machines with technology far more advanced than anything else in the galaxy! Yeah!

Someone hasn't been following the thread. I'm'll learns ya though.

1. Not every fleet is at Earth. A lot are but not every.
2. Nutrient paste. Taste like sh*t, but it'll keep you alive.
3. Their ships still work.
4. They know how the relays work, and they can build them.

[FatalX7.0]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh yes, the galaxy is ravaged, all of the fleets and races are stranded above a decimated Earth, we're gonna get along juuuuust fine. 10 years? Ha! No problem.

We obviously have enough food on these ships to feed us for...a month. Yeah, that'd be good.

Turians and Quarians...hmm...well, I guess they could just eat each other, since all of the other food is toxic and will kill them.

But then, we could all crash land on Earth! It may have been crapped on by giant sentient machines for a few months, but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to support all of us! That is, if some of the flora doesn't kill us.

Alright, now we can take this scrap of junk, and those scraps of junk...and...

How do we get back up into space, now? Oh whatever, just gather as much scraps of junk as you can!

Now that we've got some big piles of scraps of junk, let's get to building the Mass Relays, which were absolutely enormous in size and created by giant sentient machines with technology far more advanced than anything else in the galaxy! Yeah!

Someone hasn't been following the thread. I'm'll learns ya though.

1. Not every fleet is at Earth. A lot are but not every.
2. Nutrient paste. Taste like sh*t, but it'll keep you alive.
3. Their ships still work.
4. They know how the relays work, and they can build them.

Oh, thank you so much, your majesty, for thinking you have the authority to educate me.

Oh yes, knowing how the relays work, that solves everything.


Oh, I forgot to ask, how do they build them?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[Militarized]

I thought it was stated they don't know how to reproduce the relays?

[SpiderFan1217]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

*snip*

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Funny, very funny.  I'm under the impression that they had space travel.

What makes you think that there is space travel? There is nothing to support this in the vid. Not even lights on one of the moons that seem to have vegetation and oceans.

I wouldn't bother.

The OP doesn't seem to want to accept anything that anyone else says.

There is nothing in the epilouge that says they don't have space travel. Even if my ideas are wrong, it's been 10,000 years, they'd have it by then.

As for your OP statement, the same can evidently be said of you, who do not seem to be even conciderint my idea. While, I take conciderations and come up with solutions.

[Mcjon01]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

The buoy network depended on the relay network. They can't just build comm buoys and reestablish communication around the galaxy, it doesn't work that way.

[SpiderFan1217]

Militarized wrote...

I thought it was stated they don't know how to reproduce the relays?

The Matriarch Aethyta seems to think they could do it, and that was years ago when she wasn't just a bartender.

[FatalX7.0]

Militarized wrote...

I thought it was stated they don't know how to reproduce the relays?

Just knowing what they do and how they work, doesn't mean they have the knowledge to build them, nor the technology, since they were made by machines with technology more advanced than anything else in the galaxy, or the resources after the galaxy was nearly decimated.

[SpiderFan1217]

Mcjon01 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

The buoy network depended on the relay network. They can't just build comm buoys and reestablish communication around the galaxy, it doesn't work that way.

The Comm Bouys are mass relays. Tiny ones. I don't see why they couldn't.

[Kanub]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh yes, the galaxy is ravaged, all of the fleets and races are stranded above a decimated Earth, we're gonna get along juuuuust fine. 10 years? Ha! No problem.

We obviously have enough food on these ships to feed us for...a month. Yeah, that'd be good.

Turians and Quarians...hmm...well, I guess they could just eat each other, since all of the other food is toxic and will kill them.

But then, we could all crash land on Earth! It may have been crapped on by giant sentient machines for a few months, but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to support all of us! That is, if some of the flora doesn't kill us.

Alright, now we can take this scrap of junk, and those scraps of junk...and...

How do we get back up into space, now? Oh whatever, just gather as much scraps of junk as you can!

Now that we've got some big piles of scraps of junk, let's get to building the Mass Relays, which were absolutely enormous in size and created by giant sentient machines with technology far more advanced than anything else in the galaxy! Yeah!

Someone hasn't been following the thread. I'm'll learns ya though.

1. Not every fleet is at Earth. A lot are but not every.
2. Nutrient paste. Taste like sh*t, but it'll keep you alive.
3. Their ships still work.
4. They know how the relays work, and they can build them.

Oh, thank you so much, your majesty, for thinking you have the authority to educate me.

Oh yes, knowing how the relays work, that solves everything.


Oh, I forgot to ask, how do they build them?

Choose 'Control' ending and get the frigging Reapers to do it 

[NikitaDarkstar]

Rane7685 wrote...
Quantum entanglement exists today it is a real phenomenon it ddoesnt rely  on ficticious mass relays. (Im not saying you said they were just fyi for people that werent aware of this)

It's always existed, it's something we've discovered, not invented. But they're BSing their way through how it can be used, but I'm ok with that.

Well back to rebuilding the Mass Relays. Unless I've missed something most races (with the possible exception of the asari?) don't know how the relays work internally. Everyone has just stumbled over them in the past and figured out how to use them to travel, but actually build and maintain one? I doubt anyone knows how to do that. The key to it would be the keepers (as someone else pointed out) but we only know for a fact the keepers were on the citadel and at least I assume keepers, or a similar race, were on the relays too, but if you picked destroy, well, no keepers left.

And even if someoen could figure out HOW to build one I don't think anyone can actually gather up the raw materials needed to build one without being able to jumpt between clusters, and if they somehow can because they have planets that are rich on the needed materials within FTL travel range they'd basically have to strip-mine them, which might not be wanted when you also need the same materials to rebuild your civilization, and if the planets are the least bit habitable you'd want to colonize them to take some pressure of your "main world" since you'll have to not only rebuild your infrastructure but re-design it, at the very least to support your population until the mass relays are up and running again, which might be a while.

[FatalX7.0]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

*snip*

*snip*

*snip*

Funny, very funny.  I'm under the impression that they had space travel.

What makes you think that there is space travel? There is nothing to support this in the vid. Not even lights on one of the moons that seem to have vegetation and oceans.

I wouldn't bother.

The OP doesn't seem to want to accept anything that anyone else says.

There is nothing in the epilouge that says they don't have space travel. Even if my ideas are wrong, it's been 10,000 years, they'd have it by then.

As for your OP statement, the same can evidently be said of you, who do not seem to be even conciderint my idea. While, I take conciderations and come up with solutions.

Really? That's interesting.

[likta_]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I thought it was stated they don't know how to reproduce the relays?

The Matriarch Aethyta seems to think they could do it, and that was years ago when she wasn't just a bartender.

A few month ago I read an article that someone claims to have a working fusion reactor. He refuses to let anyone examine it and he refuses to let people know how it works. He is selling this reactor though.

[Iwillbeback]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

Your post is fail. This is easily explained. Different type of explosion. No supernova type reaction. Please stop trying to derail the discussion.

Unless you can prove everyone except Joker and the crew didn't die then sit down.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 26 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[Dark Specie]

Kanub wrote...
Choose 'Control' ending and get the frigging Reapers to do it 

... We need that picture where Reaper!Shepard tells Harbrigner to work faster at rebuilding the Relays

[GnusmasTHX]

Iwillbeback wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nobody left to rebuild ****, everybody died in relays explosions.

Arrival proves it, nothing disproves this.

Your post is fail. This is easily explained. Different type of explosion. No supernova type reaction. Please stop trying to derail the discussion.

Unless you can prove everyone except Joker and the crew didn't die then sit down.

If they killed people, Joker and the crew would be dead too.

[SpiderFan1217]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh yes, the galaxy is ravaged, all of the fleets and races are stranded above a decimated Earth, we're gonna get along juuuuust fine. 10 years? Ha! No problem.

We obviously have enough food on these ships to feed us for...a month. Yeah, that'd be good.

Turians and Quarians...hmm...well, I guess they could just eat each other, since all of the other food is toxic and will kill them.

But then, we could all crash land on Earth! It may have been crapped on by giant sentient machines for a few months, but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to support all of us! That is, if some of the flora doesn't kill us.

Alright, now we can take this scrap of junk, and those scraps of junk...and...

How do we get back up into space, now? Oh whatever, just gather as much scraps of junk as you can!

Now that we've got some big piles of scraps of junk, let's get to building the Mass Relays, which were absolutely enormous in size and created by giant sentient machines with technology far more advanced than anything else in the galaxy! Yeah!

Someone hasn't been following the thread. I'm'll learns ya though.

1. Not every fleet is at Earth. A lot are but not every.
2. Nutrient paste. Taste like sh*t, but it'll keep you alive.
3. Their ships still work.
4. They know how the relays work, and they can build them.

Oh, thank you so much, your majesty, for thinking you have the authority to educate me.

Oh yes, knowing how the relays work, that solves everything.


Oh, I forgot to ask, how do they build them?

Over react much?

What do you mean how do they build them? They make some blueprints and then get to work.

[FatalX7.0]

NikitaDarkstar wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...
Quantum entanglement exists today it is a real phenomenon it ddoesnt rely  on ficticious mass relays. (Im not saying you said they were just fyi for people that werent aware of this)

It's always existed, it's something we've discovered, not invented. But they're BSing their way through how it can be used, but I'm ok with that.

Well back to rebuilding the Mass Relays. Unless I've missed something most races (with the possible exception of the asari?) don't know how the relays work internally. Everyone has just stumbled over them in the past and figured out how to use them to travel, but actually build and maintain one? I doubt anyone knows how to do that. The key to it would be the keepers (as someone else pointed out) but we only know for a fact the keepers were on the citadel and at least I assume keepers, or a similar race, were on the relays too, but if you picked destroy, well, no keepers left.

And even if someoen could figure out HOW to build one I don't think anyone can actually gather up the raw materials needed to build one without being able to jumpt between clusters, and if they somehow can because they have planets that are rich on the needed materials within FTL travel range they'd basically have to strip-mine them, which might not be wanted when you also need the same materials to rebuild your civilization, and if the planets are the least bit habitable you'd want to colonize them to take some pressure of your "main world" since you'll have to not only rebuild your infrastructure but re-design it, at the very least to support your population until the mass relays are up and running again, which might be a while.

Yes.

No one knows how to actually build them, they've only found out how to use them to travel, that is it.

The Keepers were made by the Reapers, to maintain the Citadel, and no one knew anything about them. No one bothered to ever try to learn about them. Except for that Salarian guy, but you still didn't find out much.

Can you go inside of a Relay, I wonder? Has anyone ever done it? How can you know how to build something so large, so advanced, so complicated, if you've only figured out how to use it for travel?

[Admiral H. Cain]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
  Aww, idn't that cuuute, BUT IT'S WRONG!!! 

Communications come first. Communication always comes first.

Isn't that assuming it's feasible to do so? As others have said, restoring the relays is a gigantic task, one that might take a lot of time, manpower and resources to do. Depending on exactly HOW gigantic and/or feasible a task that is, it might just be decided that the task of restoring the relays is a task that'll have to wait until civillization is in a better shape...

I'd say they'd get to work on it pretty quick. That's just me though.

EDIT: Also, they only need to make the tiny Mass Relays to get communications up. I'd say it is certainly fesable to get communications up quickly.

Finding food, water and other necessities would be infinitely times more important than building mass relays considering that Earth is pretty much totally decimated. The mass relays are probably the last thing on anyone's mind. 

I don't think the food and water thing would be that hard. They are in the future. If not, Just pass out the nutrient paste tubes.

Err, what? 

The fact that they are in the future means that they don't need food and water? Why assume they even have any nutrient paste left? The fleets had been at war for A LONG TIME before they made it to Earth.

Did you ever watch Battlestar Galatica? I suggest rewatching "Water," Episode 2, Season 1, as that's pretty much what's in store for the survivors. 

Considering that the entire planet was decimated, most of the fresh water will likely be contaminated, and most of the animals will likely be dead. 

Modifié par Admiral H. Cain, 26 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[FatalX7.0]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh yes, the galaxy is ravaged, all of the fleets and races are stranded above a decimated Earth, we're gonna get along juuuuust fine. 10 years? Ha! No problem.

We obviously have enough food on these ships to feed us for...a month. Yeah, that'd be good.

Turians and Quarians...hmm...well, I guess they could just eat each other, since all of the other food is toxic and will kill them.

But then, we could all crash land on Earth! It may have been crapped on by giant sentient machines for a few months, but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to support all of us! That is, if some of the flora doesn't kill us.

Alright, now we can take this scrap of junk, and those scraps of junk...and...

How do we get back up into space, now? Oh whatever, just gather as much scraps of junk as you can!

Now that we've got some big piles of scraps of junk, let's get to building the Mass Relays, which were absolutely enormous in size and created by giant sentient machines with technology far more advanced than anything else in the galaxy! Yeah!

Someone hasn't been following the thread. I'm'll learns ya though.

1. Not every fleet is at Earth. A lot are but not every.
2. Nutrient paste. Taste like sh*t, but it'll keep you alive.
3. Their ships still work.
4. They know how the relays work, and they can build them.

Oh, thank you so much, your majesty, for thinking you have the authority to educate me.

Oh yes, knowing how the relays work, that solves everything.


Oh, I forgot to ask, how do they build them?

Over react much?

What do you mean how do they build them? They make some blueprints and then get to work.

Based on what?

They're destroyed.

[Militarized]

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I thought it was stated they don't know how to reproduce the relays?

The Matriarch Aethyta seems to think they could do it, and that was years ago when she wasn't just a bartender.

A few month ago I read an article that someone claims to have a working fusion reactor. He refuses to let anyone examine it and he refuses to let people know how it works. He is selling this reactor though.

I'm going to assume that individual is lying... a fusion reactor could cause our very existance to change in such fundamental ways it would be hard for us to grasp, that would solve ALL our energy problems and as far as I know top scientists consider it a "holy grail" scenario. 

[Mcjon01]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

The Comm Bouys are mass relays. Tiny ones. I don't see why they couldn't.

tiny mass relays = tiny range

[SpiderFan1217]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

NikitaDarkstar wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...
Quantum entanglement exists today it is a real phenomenon it ddoesnt rely  on ficticious mass relays. (Im not saying you said they were just fyi for people that werent aware of this)

It's always existed, it's something we've discovered, not invented. But they're BSing their way through how it can be used, but I'm ok with that.

Well back to rebuilding the Mass Relays. Unless I've missed something most races (with the possible exception of the asari?) don't know how the relays work internally. Everyone has just stumbled over them in the past and figured out how to use them to travel, but actually build and maintain one? I doubt anyone knows how to do that. The key to it would be the keepers (as someone else pointed out) but we only know for a fact the keepers were on the citadel and at least I assume keepers, or a similar race, were on the relays too, but if you picked destroy, well, no keepers left.

And even if someoen could figure out HOW to build one I don't think anyone can actually gather up the raw materials needed to build one without being able to jumpt between clusters, and if they somehow can because they have planets that are rich on the needed materials within FTL travel range they'd basically have to strip-mine them, which might not be wanted when you also need the same materials to rebuild your civilization, and if the planets are the least bit habitable you'd want to colonize them to take some pressure of your "main world" since you'll have to not only rebuild your infrastructure but re-design it, at the very least to support your population until the mass relays are up and running again, which might be a while.

Yes.

No one knows how to actually build them, they've only found out how to use them to travel, that is it.

The Keepers were made by the Reapers, to maintain the Citadel, and no one knew anything about them. No one bothered to ever try to learn about them. Except for that Salarian guy, but you still didn't find out much.

Can you go inside of a Relay, I wonder? Has anyone ever done it? How can you know how to build something so large, so advanced, so complicated, if you've only figured out how to use it for travel?

Don't know how to build new ones? Line of dialogue in ME2 that states otherwise.

[Admiral H. Cain]

Militarized wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I thought it was stated they don't know how to reproduce the relays?

The Matriarch Aethyta seems to think they could do it, and that was years ago when she wasn't just a bartender.

A few month ago I read an article that someone claims to have a working fusion reactor. He refuses to let anyone examine it and he refuses to let people know how it works. He is selling this reactor though.

I'm going to assume that individual is lying... a fusion reactor could cause our very existance to change in such fundamental ways it would be hard for us to grasp, that would solve ALL our energy problems and as far as I know top scientists consider it a "holy grail" scenario. 

Obviously.