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[SpiderFan1217]

Mcjon01 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

The Comm Bouys are mass relays. Tiny ones. I don't see why they couldn't.

tiny mass relays = tiny range

Really? Cuase the Conduit, a tiny Mass Relay, got the Mako pretty far. Like more then half a galaxy.

[Militarized]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

Obviously. 

Well yeah, just thought I'd clarify so he doesn't think that's possible. LOL 

[sniper1250]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

snip

Don't know how to build new ones? Line of dialogue in ME2 that states otherwise.

You might have to find a youtube vid of this line, because I remember that Matriarch saying she wanted them to TRY to understand and build more relays and they laughed her off Thessia.

[SpiderFan1217]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Based on what?

They're destroyed.

You really think that they don't have records of the Relays?

[Mcjon01]

You aren't seriously comparing the conduit to comm buoys, are you?

[likta_]

Militarized wrote...

likta_ wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I thought it was stated they don't know how to reproduce the relays?

The Matriarch Aethyta seems to think they could do it, and that was years ago when she wasn't just a bartender.

A few month ago I read an article that someone claims to have a working fusion reactor. He refuses to let anyone examine it and he refuses to let people know how it works. He is selling this reactor though.

I'm going to assume that individual is lying... a fusion reactor could cause our very existance to change in such fundamental ways it would be hard for us to grasp, that would solve ALL our energy problems and as far as I know top scientists consider it a "holy grail" scenario. 

What I wanted to say is this: just because someone says that it is possible doesn't mean that it is.

[Admiral H. Cain]

Mcjon01 wrote...

You aren't seriously comparing the conduit to comm buoys, are you?

I was thinking the same thing.

[tybbiesniffer]

I think it's quite believable that 10,000 years later technology and civilization still haven't recovered. The survivors would have to learn to do simple things again (or at least more of them would have to), like farming. Sure, they know how to farm but do enough people know how to farm to support all the mouths that now need fed? How many resources are absolutely necessary to life as they know it were imported from off-world? They would have to learn to adapt and use only the resources on Earth or nearby. In the time it takes to adjust to the limited resources and re-learn or spread the knowledge necessary for survival, the technology available begins to fail piece by piece. The resources aren't available to maintain it all so only the technology needed to maintain life is repaired. Eventually, civilization will recover and begin to truly advance rather than playing catch-up.
The grandfather and grandchild are obviously not on Earth. Considering how many people/species were at Earth when the relays were destroyed, it can be assumed that wherever the grandfather/grandchild is has less preserved knowledge than Earth. In order for them to have space flight, they'd either have to develop it from the remnants of what they had before (and have the skill, knowledge, and resources to do so), maintain the knowledge they had (assuming they had the resources and skill to do so), or they would have to be "discovered" by others in the galaxy who had managed to recover from the loss of the relays, etc and were exploring the galaxy again. If it's some planet off the beaten path, it's very believable that they haven't been able to maintain what technology they had, re-discovered space flight, or themselves been re-discovered yet.

[NikitaDarkstar]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

NikitaDarkstar wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...
Quantum entanglement exists today it is a real phenomenon it ddoesnt rely  on ficticious mass relays. (Im not saying you said they were just fyi for people that werent aware of this)

It's always existed, it's something we've discovered, not invented. But they're BSing their way through how it can be used, but I'm ok with that.

Well back to rebuilding the Mass Relays. Unless I've missed something most races (with the possible exception of the asari?) don't know how the relays work internally. Everyone has just stumbled over them in the past and figured out how to use them to travel, but actually build and maintain one? I doubt anyone knows how to do that. The key to it would be the keepers (as someone else pointed out) but we only know for a fact the keepers were on the citadel and at least I assume keepers, or a similar race, were on the relays too, but if you picked destroy, well, no keepers left.

And even if someoen could figure out HOW to build one I don't think anyone can actually gather up the raw materials needed to build one without being able to jumpt between clusters, and if they somehow can because they have planets that are rich on the needed materials within FTL travel range they'd basically have to strip-mine them, which might not be wanted when you also need the same materials to rebuild your civilization, and if the planets are the least bit habitable you'd want to colonize them to take some pressure of your "main world" since you'll have to not only rebuild your infrastructure but re-design it, at the very least to support your population until the mass relays are up and running again, which might be a while.

Yes.

No one knows how to actually build them, they've only found out how to use them to travel, that is it.

The Keepers were made by the Reapers, to maintain the Citadel, and no one knew anything about them. No one bothered to ever try to learn about them. Except for that Salarian guy, but you still didn't find out much.

Can you go inside of a Relay, I wonder? Has anyone ever done it? How can you know how to build something so large, so advanced, so complicated, if you've only figured out how to use it for travel?

Don't know how to build new ones? Line of dialogue in ME2 that states otherwise.

Going to need a quote for that line. (Really, can't remember everything after all.)

[FatalX7.0]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Based on what?

They're destroyed.

You really think that they don't have records of the Relays?

You have proof that they do?

And this line from Mass Effect 2? Be nice if you could quote it instead of simply say, "Line of dialogue says otherwise".

Mass relays are built with two long, curved metal "arms" with a set
of revolving rings in between them, containing a massive, blue-glowing element zero core. The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel
is built from. One of the relays even survived a supernova's wake
without being damaged. They are "cold" objects that don't emit heat or
radiation, unlike starships, making them difficult to find if their
position changes. Some relays, like the Charon Relay, are "gravitationally anchored" to planets; others appear to be out in space and are carefully tracked.


Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of
space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across
enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL
speeds. Before a vessel can travel, the relay must be given the amount
of mass to transit by the ship's pilot before it is moved into the
approach corridor. When a relay is activated, it aligns itself with the
corresponding relay before propelling the ship across space.

[SpiderFan1217]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

You aren't seriously comparing the conduit to comm buoys, are you?

I was thinking the same thing.

Why not? Don't see much difference. Educate me...

[MadRabbit999]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
. A whole universe could get Relays to the major systems up and running in no time.

Sorry,  I am gonna be the picky one here, and point out that it is not the whole universe, but the whole galaxy (The Milky Way)... the universe is made up by bilions of galaxies (Hopefully without any reapers in each one of them )

[archvonbaron]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh yes, the galaxy is ravaged, all of the fleets and races are stranded above a decimated Earth, we're gonna get along juuuuust fine. 10 years? Ha! No problem.

We obviously have enough food on these ships to feed us for...a month. Yeah, that'd be good.

Turians and Quarians...hmm...well, I guess they could just eat each other, since all of the other food is toxic and will kill them.

But then, we could all crash land on Earth! It may have been crapped on by giant sentient machines for a few months, but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to support all of us! That is, if some of the flora doesn't kill us.

Alright, now we can take this scrap of junk, and those scraps of junk...and...

How do we get back up into space, now? Oh whatever, just gather as much scraps of junk as you can!

Now that we've got some big piles of scraps of junk, let's get to building the Mass Relays, which were absolutely enormous in size and created by giant sentient machines with technology far more advanced than anything else in the galaxy! Yeah!

Someone hasn't been following the thread. I'm'll learns ya though.

1. Not every fleet is at Earth. A lot are but not every.
2. Nutrient paste. Taste like sh*t, but it'll keep you alive.
3. Their ships still work.
4. They know how the relays work, and they can build them.

Oh, thank you so much, your majesty, for thinking you have the authority to educate me.

Oh yes, knowing how the relays work, that solves everything.


Oh, I forgot to ask, how do they build them?

Turian, Quarian, Geth, Asari, Salarian and Alliance fleets are at Earth, along with Krogan ground forces. With the exception of the Salarians everyone threw everything they had at the final assault, atleast in my play through.

Has to come from somewhere it's not like they can space magic it out of nowhere.

Normandy states otherwise, it looks like it's mass effect drive is shot to hell and if I remember the destroy ending correctly it's stated that all Reaper tech will be destroyed, mass effect fields are Reaper tech.

You will have to quote the line as I can't remember it, but if true it is shown the Asari don't like sharing that sort of stuff so they may be able to build 1 but noone else can so they will end up with a mass relay that does nothing. It's not like Thessia has been shot to hell and needs rebuilding or anything to you know make sure they can survive.

Modifié par archvonbaron, 26 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Zeratul20]

Dark Specie wrote...

Kanub wrote...
Choose 'Control' ending and get the frigging Reapers to do it 

... We need that picture where Reaper!Shepard tells Harbrigner to work faster at rebuilding the Relays

"This hurts you, Harbinger."
"You cannot resist, Harbinger."
"If I must tear you apart, Harbie, I will."

On a more serious note... Why can't this be done in the Control/Synthesis endings...? Even in the Destruction ending, they'd have reaper parts they can use.

[Morden2261]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

The Comm Bouys are mass relays. Tiny ones. I don't see why they couldn't.

Even if we get past the problem that building a single actual, full-sized mass relay would be an undertaking potentially equal in scale to the Crucible project there is the follow-up issue of mass relay travel requiring a network. You need a chain of full-sized mass relays before you can re-establish contact with other major races and many of the middle links in that chain are in solar systems where there's not much in the way of resources or population, especially after the Reapers have been exterminating billions and laying waste to mining stations and space-based manufacturing facilities.

Of course, this is all ignoring the fact that the only established lore in the Mass Effect series dealing with the destruction of a mass relay states that the destruction results in a release of energy on par with a supernova which would therefore destroy every single solar system where a mass relay was present.

However, you can choose to ignore that piece of lore and theorize that it's a "special" type of explosion that somehow disperses the energy in some sort of non-lethal way.  But if you're coming from that angle then you're just going to be cherry-picking which lore to follow and which lore to ignore, and at that point you might as well just become a lead writer at Bioware...

Modifié par Morden2261, 26 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[count_4]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Ten years and the ME universe is back up and running. 

Just a sidenote. You should refer to it as the galaxy, not the universe. When you talk about the Mass Effect universe, a lot of people probably think you mean the franchise/IP (I know I did...).

As for the rest: All scientists trapped in one place, scarce resources and no way to get them where they're needed. No way to get the relays where they are needed once they are built (considering it's somehow possible). 

Sorry, but not happening. At least not within a century (let alone a decade).

Modifié par count_4, 26 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[SpiderFan1217]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Based on what?

They're destroyed.

You really think that they don't have records of the Relays?

You have proof that they do?

And this line from Mass Effect 2? Be nice if you could quote it instead of simply say, "Line of dialogue says otherwise".

Mass relays are built with two long, curved metal "arms" with a set
of revolving rings in between them, containing a massive, blue-glowing element zero core. The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel
is built from. One of the relays even survived a supernova's wake
without being damaged. They are "cold" objects that don't emit heat or
radiation, unlike starships, making them difficult to find if their
position changes. Some relays, like the Charon Relay, are "gravitationally anchored" to planets; others appear to be out in space and are carefully tracked.


Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of
space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across
enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL
speeds. Before a vessel can travel, the relay must be given the amount
of mass to transit by the ship's pilot before it is moved into the
approach corridor. When a relay is activated, it aligns itself with the
corresponding relay before propelling the ship across space.

The line of dialogue is from Liara's Father. Also, use a different metal. Don't see why they have to be the exact same design as the original relays.

[SpiderFan1217]

count_4 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Ten years and the ME universe is back up and running. 

Just a sidenote. You should refer to it as the galaxy, not the universe. When you talk about the Mass Effect universe, a lot of people probably think you mean the franchise/IP (I know I did...).

As for the rest: All scientists trapped in one place, scarce resources and no way to get them where they're needed. No way to get the relays where they are needed once they are built. 

Sorry, but not happening. At least not within a century (let alone a decade).

Most or your arguments have already been explained away.

[Slayer299]

GnusmasTHX wrote...
We don't. In fact we're told the opposite. The gramps seems to think the kid can visit space within his lifetime.

No, gramps is just saying what every *other* grandparent/parent/etc says to a child when they're putting off answering a question they don't want to right then. "one day, my sweet", does not mean when the child grows up, especially not when you listen to the rest of the conversation where he tells the kid that every planet 'could have different forms of life', emphasis on *could*, not does. That says that humanity does not go off-planet, has not gone off-planet and it is only a far off idea, not a present or near reality.

[Admiral H. Cain]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

You aren't seriously comparing the conduit to comm buoys, are you?

I was thinking the same thing.

Why not? Don't see much difference. Educate me...

You don't see a difference between an object that can launch extremely heavy objects thousands of lightyears in seconds and an object that sends communication lasers a maximum of 150,000 km? 

Modifié par Admiral H. Cain, 26 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[FatalX7.0]

Prior to the events of Arrival, however, Dr. Amanda Kenson
and her research team calculated that if a large enough mass impacts a
relay with enough force, the relay should not be able to withstand it.
The consequences of destroying a mass relay are immense: as a huge mass
effect engine manipulating massive quantities of energy, a relay could
produce an explosion of supernova proportions.

@first bold

Simply means that a Relay can physically break if a large enough object hits it.



@second bold

Should be obvious. It's Eezo core, it's Mass Effect engine is massive, when that energy is released, in any manner, boom, whole system dead.

[Gyspy Jive]

Zeratul20 wrote...

Most likely.

Control: the reapers can rebuild the relays.
Synthesis: ditto
Destroy: Use the reaper wrecks to rebuild the mass relays.

(I don't know.)

Oh, and communication via QEC doesn't need the relays, right?

^I could see that happening! The Destroy option is pretty interesting...building Mass Relays out of old Reapers? Sounds pimp.

[FatalX7.0]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Based on what?

They're destroyed.

You really think that they don't have records of the Relays?

You have proof that they do?

And this line from Mass Effect 2? Be nice if you could quote it instead of simply say, "Line of dialogue says otherwise".

Mass relays are built with two long, curved metal "arms" with a set
of revolving rings in between them, containing a massive, blue-glowing element zero core. The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel
is built from. One of the relays even survived a supernova's wake
without being damaged. They are "cold" objects that don't emit heat or
radiation, unlike starships, making them difficult to find if their
position changes. Some relays, like the Charon Relay, are "gravitationally anchored" to planets; others appear to be out in space and are carefully tracked.


Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of
space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across
enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL
speeds. Before a vessel can travel, the relay must be given the amount
of mass to transit by the ship's pilot before it is moved into the
approach corridor. When a relay is activated, it aligns itself with the
corresponding relay before propelling the ship across space.

The line of dialogue is from Liara's Father. Also, use a different metal. Don't see why they have to be the exact same design as the original relays.

Metal? Where do you get "metal" from unknown material? How do you know that it is not more than just "metal"? How do you know that the material it is made of doesn't help it's functionality?

I listened to everything that Aethyta had to say, can you please qoute it? I seem to be forgetting.

I also like how you don't say anything about traveling taking centuries.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[count_4]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Ten years and the ME universe is back up and running. 

Just a sidenote. You should refer to it as the galaxy, not the universe. When you talk about the Mass Effect universe, a lot of people probably think you mean the franchise/IP (I know I did...).

As for the rest: All scientists trapped in one place, scarce resources and no way to get them where they're needed. No way to get the relays where they are needed once they are built. 

Sorry, but not happening. At least not within a century (let alone a decade).

Most or your arguments have already been explained away.

Considering the fact that I brought up just three (albeit profound) arguments, 'most' isn't really a lot. 
Don't really have the time to read all the pages in the thread but I can't imagine a proper explanation for gathering even remotely enough resources and transport them to places all over the galaxy to build the relays.

Modifié par count_4, 26 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

You aren't seriously comparing the conduit to comm buoys, are you?

I was thinking the same thing.

Why not? Don't see much difference. Educate me...

You don't see a difference between an object that can launch extremely heavy objects trillions of miles in seconds and an object that sends communication lasers a maximum of 150,000 miles? 

Source on that last part?