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golyoscsapagy wrote...

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I think you are trying to imply something which wasn't said per se. The dialog as follows:

'When can I go to the stars?'
'One day my sweet'
'What will be there?'
'Anything you can imagine, our galaxy has billions of stars. Each of those stars could have many worlds. Every world could be home to a different form of life.'

Nothing here implies that space travel is a long way away. If anything the question of When from the child implies that space travel is a possibility (note, (s)he would ask 'can I go to the stars?' if the only thing (s)he ever heard was a fable about shepard). Stargazes scrip can be interpreted if the stargazer himself is a space farer. If anyone he know how freaking huge our universe is and how long would it take to map all of it. That's why he generalizes to the kid because that's the most correct picture about how huge the task is and WHY do you want to explore the galaxy.


You're wrong here, grandpa isn't generalizing to find out "why" the boy wants to go into space. If he was able to travel already why say then that "each world *could*", not does. If you want to ask a young child a 'why' question, you ask them "why do you......?" If it was a ongoing task why so evasive instead of saying "when you're a grown-up/adult" you can goto the stars."

Somedays, maybe's and could are generalities that you use to avoid telling a child something.



Because they are not finished with mapping the universe. Each star could contain a world - which is true according to our current knowledge - because by no means you can assume that EVERY star has a world attached. Same with the life stuff. It doesn't mean anything related to actual space travel. It means that they have a lack of knowledge about the universe because they didn't map the whole thing yet.


Even if they aren't done mapping the universe (and they haven't even done that in 2185, only 1%) you aren't going to say "could" be life, could be be worlds. If they have space travel why is it a theory even if they haven't met any Asari, Krogan, Turians or whatever since they aren't the only forms of life in the galaxy, just the higher developed. Humans know today that life exists out in the Milky Way, we just haven't found it yet because of limitations on space flight.

Yes, because usually when you say to a kid that 'when you grow up' it ends up with around 56 more questions about exact dates, the difference between tomorrow and next year, about education and whatnot. Just try talking to a kid sometime, it's tiresome. It's much easier to deflect the question. It's especially true for questions before bedtime when suddenly everything is terribly important to a kid except going to bed so they ask and ask and ask. Which is the exact situation in this case, so it's easier to deflect and get the little bastard into bed.


I don't have to try, I have two. So, I pretty much know how having kids and their endless (at times) questions go. But deflecting problems really just leads to having the same one and several more now that they've had time to think about it crop up and when it is most inconvenient.

And when its bedtime you say, no more tonight its bedtime, we can talk about it more tomorrow and that works. Kids want to know "when", not just later.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

Thank you for being rude and contributing nothing definitive.


Except for the bit where the relay definitely discharged its energy before exploding, which is exactly what the Bahak relay didn't do.

I'm sorry for being rude to you, but this theory really is incredibly stupid and deserves to die.  Since you know that explosions are caused by the release of energy then you're being wilfully ignorant by clinging to the idea that blowing an "empty" relay is the same as blowing one with a full tank of gas.  Wilful ignorance annoys me.

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10 years might be a bit much to hope for. But I do think we could see some serious progress to either re-normalizing or reaching a new normal over the course of a single human generation.

But if the galaxy just reset to what it was, I'd honestly be rather disappointed.

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Thomas Andresen wrote...



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I think 10k years is stated in the Final Hours app..

I don't remember anything about 10k years from the app. But as I said, the time don't matter, firstly because the cut-scene is supposed to be symbolic above anything else, and lastly, because BioWare isn't going release any games that takes place after the events in ME3.


When has Bioware said this?

All I've ever seen them say is that Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's story. They're definitely doing more Mass Effect, but when did they give a time line?

http://kotaku.com/54...er-trilogy-ends

http://sarparker.com...r-mass-effect-3

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Thank you for being rude and contributing nothing definitive.


Except for the bit where the relay definitely discharged its energy before exploding, which is exactly what the Bahak relay didn't do.

I'm sorry for being rude to you, but this theory really is incredibly stupid and deserves to die.  Since you know that explosions are caused by the release of energy then you're being wilfully ignorant by clinging to the idea that blowing an "empty" relay is the same as blowing one with a full tank of gas.  Wilful ignorance annoys me.


Empty relay? Discharge it's energy before exploding?

What? Because lights turned off?

Can you give definitive, actual proof that the star systems weren't obliterated? If you can't, then I'm leaving this as a possibility. I never said this was fact.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

When has Bioware said this?

All I've ever seen them say is that Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's story. They're definitely doing more Mass Effect, but when did they give a time line?

http://kotaku.com/54...er-trilogy-ends

http://sarparker.com...r-mass-effect-3

As I said in my a previous post, Casey Hudson said it, in the end of Final Hours, and I quote:

Hudson isn't sure where the series goes next, but he's pretty confident that he never wants to tell any stories that take place in the post-Shepard era. "Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after," he suggests.



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Gives me no comfort. Stargazer didn't seam to be ten years from the crash of the Normandy and he said that "some day we'll be able to travel the stars" or some lame bull**** like that.
The mass relays shouldn't have been destroyed, it makes me so angry that they made that happen! Damn you Bioware!

The grandpa told his grandaughter that "someday" she would be able to travel to the stars.  That could mean anything from "someday when our society rediscovers space flight" to "someday when you're old enough to get a job on one of the many spaceships that visit our planet everyday."  Or anything in between.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

Can you give definitive, actual proof that the star systems weren't obliterated? If you can't, then I'm leaving this as a possibility. I never said this was fact.


Yes - in one of the endings, Shepard is breathing.

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Thomas Andresen wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

When has Bioware said this?

All I've ever seen them say is that Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's story. They're definitely doing more Mass Effect, but when did they give a time line?

http://kotaku.com/54...er-trilogy-ends

http://sarparker.com...r-mass-effect-3

As I said in my a previous post, Casey Hudson said it, in the end of Final Hours, and I quote:

Hudson isn't sure where the series goes next, but he's pretty confident that he never wants to tell any stories that take place in the post-Shepard era. "Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after," he suggests.


Oh.

So that means Bioware knows they f**ked over the entire galaxy. Nice.

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Can you give definitive, actual proof that the star systems weren't obliterated? If you can't, then I'm leaving this as a possibility. I never said this was fact.


Yes - in one of the endings, Shepard is breathing.


In ONE of the endings?

Yeah, I think that is enough proof. And how do you know it's Shepard? Or that it actually means something? Or that it wasn't some random easter egg where they aren't comitted to the fact that you're dead?

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Well, the protheans made a relay. If they can do it, so can the rest of the galaxy.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Can you give definitive, actual proof that the star systems weren't obliterated? If you can't, then I'm leaving this as a possibility. I never said this was fact.


Yes - in one of the endings, Shepard is breathing.


In ONE of the endings?

Yeah, I think that is enough proof. And how do you know it's Shepard? Or that it actually means something? Or that it wasn't some random easter egg where they aren't comitted to the fact that you're dead?


Actually, yes .. the file name of the movie segment that contains the briefing is called "Shepard alive" .. was data-mined a while ago. The figure is male/female to match what you're playing.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh.

So that means Bioware knows they f**ked over the entire galaxy. Nice.

If you choose to interpret it that way, then sure.

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Talogrungi wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Can you give definitive, actual proof that the star systems weren't obliterated? If you can't, then I'm leaving this as a possibility. I never said this was fact.


Yes - in one of the endings, Shepard is breathing.


In ONE of the endings?

Yeah, I think that is enough proof. And how do you know it's Shepard? Or that it actually means something? Or that it wasn't some random easter egg where they aren't comitted to the fact that you're dead?


Actually, yes .. the file name of the movie segment that contains the briefing is called "Shepard alive" .. was data-mined a while ago. The figure is male/female to match what you're playing.


Oh yeah, I even posted the screenshot of that.

Still just a file name.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

In ONE of the endings?


Yes, the destroy/high EMS ending.

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Yeah, I think that is enough proof. And how do you know it's Shepard?


The gender changes to match your Shepard's.

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Or that it actually means something? Or that it wasn't some random easter egg where they aren't comitted to the fact that you're dead?


Oh, okay.  So you accept every cut scene as evidence except the ones that disprove your theory.  Good to know.

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Thomas Andresen wrote...

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Oh.

So that means Bioware knows they f**ked over the entire galaxy. Nice.

If you choose to interpret it that way, then sure.


I do, because it's funny.

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We have no idea if the scientists survived.

We have no idea if there are enough ressources in Sol to rebuild the Relays

We have no idea if the various races won't go to war with each other over said ressources.

We have no idea of how the Relays actually worked. Now they are space dust.

In short, OP is making one hell of a leap. Pure speculation. Which is what the writers wanted it seems. Bah.

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

In ONE of the endings?


Yes, the destroy/high EMS ending.

FatalX7.0 wrote...
Yeah, I think that is enough proof. And how do you know it's Shepard?


The gender changes to match your Shepard's.

FatalX7.0 wrote...
Or that it actually means something? Or that it wasn't some random easter egg where they aren't comitted to the fact that you're dead?


Oh, okay.  So you accept every cut scene as evidence except the ones that disprove your theory.  Good to know.


If there was only one ending, one ending that everyone got, then yeah, I'd accept it. One universal, defintive, be all end all, ending.

Granted, there are only 3 endings with minor variations, but you still have the choice to pick something else. And it's the High EMS destroy ending, not everyone has gotten the EMS high enough to get it, or has chosen the destroy ending.

It's just an extra.

Okay, so if Shepard is alive in your ending, that might prove the relays didn't destroy everything.

But I didn't get that extra few seconds at the end, so what about my end, my galaxy?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 mars 2012 - 03:01 .


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SpiderFan1217 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

the communications systems rely upon the mass relays.


Source?

From the Codex itself. The comm buoys send information via lasers, which themselves are transmitted by Mass Relays, otherwise communication could not exceed the speed of light, and it would be much, much faster to just send a courier ship via standard FTL.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Technology#Communications

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Stargazer scene proves your optimism false.

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Okay, so if Shepard is alive in your ending, that might prove the relays didn't destroy everything.

But I didn't get that extra few seconds at the end, so what about my end, my galaxy?


You should be able to deduce that the little circles you saw on the galaxy map were not actually supernova scale explosions from the following clues:

1).  The relay shown discharged its energy before it exploded.  That's different from Aratoht.

2).  The same circles didn't kill my Shepard.

So you're left to speculate.  If you choose to speculate that the relays exploded catastrophically and wiped out everybody then that's your choice, but you need to be aware that there's no evidence to support that conclusion.  It'd be like me saying that immediately after the end of Dragon Age that the big white flash you saw when the doors opened was actually Thedas's sun going supernova.

I'd be entitled to believe it, but I would be really stupid to come on the forums and complain about how depressing the ending was.

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Are you saying that I'm complaining about the ending?

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

Are you saying that I'm complaining about the ending?


I'm begging you to please get off the "everybody was killed by the relays" idiot train.

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

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Are you saying that I'm complaining about the ending?


I'm begging you to please get off the "everybody was killed by the relays" idiot train.


Gee, thanks for reading what I actually said.

"Possibility, not fact"

Why does it upset you to such a high standard anyway, me looking at multiple possibilities for the story?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 mars 2012 - 03:16 .


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FatalX7.0 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Are you saying that I'm complaining about the ending?


I'm begging you to please get off the "everybody was killed by the relays" idiot train.


Gee, thanks for reading what I actually said.

"Possibility, not fact"

Why does it upset you to such a high standard anyway, me looking at multiple possibilities for the story?


Alright, well that was fun, but I haven't eaten in 20 hours.

So bye~