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[SimKoning]

I was trying to figure out why the heck Joker would take off just before the Crucible activated, and then the answer hit me hard enough to leave a hand print on my face: the Crucible is a big anti Reaper weapon of some kind, that's all the Alliance knew; the Reaper's brains contain quantum computers; EDI is a quantum computer; common sense says that if you don't want your robot girlfriend's AI core fried, then it's probably a good idea to take off at least at the very last minute. Joker must have been in relay transit when the blast hit him. The blast probably disrupted the mass effect field, and the resulting shearing forces tore up the exterior of the ship.

Your squad was probably on board because he was serving as air support/evac when Hammer became a huge CF thanks to Harbinger. We don't see it, but Harbinger was probably in pursuit of the Normandy when you look up and see him take off.    

Modifié par SimKoning, 26 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[MattFini]

See, even your explanation is loaded with tons of "probablys", and that is the problem.

The ending to a trilogy shouldn't be vague at best and incoherent at worst.

Like many people have said: Hammer was ordered to fall back and regroup, not retreat. Sword, from what the game tells us, was still in offensive mode.

And that's all we really know for sure.

And that's just part of the reason why the ending is a big cluserfvck.

[Skyline45]

Nope still a huge plothole to me

Modifié par Skyline45, 26 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[likta_]

SimKoning wrote...



I was trying to figure out why the heck Joker would take off just before the Crucible activated, and then the answer hit me hard enough to leave a hand print on my face: the Crucible is a big anti Reaper weapon of some kind, that's all the Alliance knew; the Reaper's brains contain quantum computers; EDI is a quantum computer; common sense says that if you don't want your robot girlfriend's AI core fried, then it's probably a good idea to take off at least at the very last minute. Joker must have been in relay transit when the blast hit him. The blast probably disrupted the mass effect field, and the resulting shearing forces tore up the exterior of the ship.

Your squad was probably on board because he was serving as air support/evac when Hammer became a huge CF thanks to Harbinger. We don't see it, but Harbinger was probably in pursuit of the Normandy when you look up and see him take off.    

And when does Joker become a magician to resurrect our two dead squadmates?

[GnusmasTHX]

Don't get your squadmates killed, and there's no problem.

[MCP20012]

LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE! Sorry, just had to do it at least once.

[Elyiia]

Joker tries to fly away, Javik shots him in the back of the head for being a coward.
Joker tries to fly away, Liara crushes him with biotics.
etc etc.

That's not even taking into account Joker would never have left Shep behind.

[VirtualSoldier27]

I think the reason Harbinger leaves so early, is to destroy the Normandy, wouldnt you run if you had a reaper in direct pursuit!!!, the beam caught up with and destroyed Harbinger, and I think Joker was planning on returning to the battle if he could outrun the beam

The Normandy may be the most advanced starship in the galaxy, but it is not built for a direct confrontation with a reaper like Harbinger

Modifié par VirtualSoldier27, 26 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[scrapmetals]

If Joker would leave Shepard behind for his robot girlfriend (and I didn't cultivate their relationship anyway, not to be a dick, but because she's a FECKING ROBOT, she doesn't need to do everything a human does, I'm a human and I hate doing everything a human does), then he deserves to be shot by a firing squad consisting of Shepard and Garrus (because there's no Shepard without a Vakarian and vice-versa), without a blindfold and no last smoke either.

[heathxxx]

Joker IS Uri Geller.

There... all neatly explained.

Modifié par heathxxx, 26 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[pablosplinter]

See Bioware....this is what you have reduced people to!!!!

[GnusmasTHX]

Yeah... Joker would totally stay for Shepard rather than the 30+ lives on the Normandy.

Especially after staying got Shepard killed in the first game.

Rather, he should've just dropped everyone off on Earth.

[Renjin]

One BIG flaw in that. No one knows what the crucible is, or what it does, besides Shepard. So joker wouldn't run away because "Oh no! It's going to destroy my girlfriend!"

[SimKoning]

MattFini wrote...

See, even your explanation is loaded with tons of "probablys", and that is the problem.

The ending to a trilogy shouldn't be vague at best and incoherent at worst.

Like many people have said: Hammer was ordered to fall back and regroup, not retreat. Sword, from what the game tells us, was still in offensive mode.

And that's all we really know for sure.

And that's just part of the reason why the ending is a big cluserfvck.

The actual lines were:

"did we get anyone to the beam?"
"Negative, our entire force was decimated"
"We need to regroup"
"Hammer has been WIPED OUT all forces RETREAT"

As far as EDI, my point still stands. The Normandy's sensors would have detected the Crucible powering up, and I imagine EDI might remind Joker that she doesn't want to die. 

[GnusmasTHX]

Renjin wrote...

One BIG flaw in that. No one knows what the crucible is, or what it does, besides Shepard. So joker wouldn't run away because "Oh no! It's going to destroy my girlfriend!"

Everyone assumes it will destroy the Reapers. EDI is like... a quarter Reaper.

[Evil_medved]

SimKoning wrote...

MattFini wrote...

See, even your explanation is loaded with tons of "probablys", and that is the problem.

The ending to a trilogy shouldn't be vague at best and incoherent at worst.

Like many people have said: Hammer was ordered to fall back and regroup, not retreat. Sword, from what the game tells us, was still in offensive mode.

And that's all we really know for sure.

And that's just part of the reason why the ending is a big cluserfvck.

The actual lines were:

"did we get anyone to the beam?"
"Negative, our entire force was decimated"
"We need to regroup"
"Hammer has been WIPED OUT all forces RETREAT"

As far as EDI, my point still stands. The Normandy's sensors would have detected the Crucible powering up, and I imagine EDI might remind Joker that she doesn't want to die. 

Ye ye, retreat, and yet we see human forces attacking in last cutscene, and human spaceships fighting reapers above you during ending-o-matic 5000

[pablosplinter]

SimKoning wrote...


The actual lines were:

"did we get anyone to the beam?"
"Negative, our entire force was decimated"
"We need to regroup"
"Hammer has been WIPED OUT all forces RETREAT"

As far as EDI, my point still stands. The Normandy's sensors would have detected the Crucible powering up, and I imagine EDI might remind Joker that she doesn't want to die. 

So why did Joker go nd pick up one of your squad from there?  ........and leave Shepard, still alive right out in the open

[SimKoning]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Renjin wrote...

One BIG flaw in that. No one knows what the crucible is, or what it does, besides Shepard. So joker wouldn't run away because "Oh no! It's going to destroy my girlfriend!"

Everyone assumes it will destroy the Reapers. EDI is like... a quarter Reaper.

She is also a quantum computer, which are easily destroyed by radiation. 

[shengar]

likta_ wrote...

And when does Joker become a magician to resurrect our two dead squadmates?

Shhh!! Joker have practiced necromancy and blood magic during Shepard apparent death. Don't talk about it too loud or the Templar might hunt him

Elyiia wrote...

Joker tries to fly away, Javik shots him in the back of the head for being a coward.
Joker tries to fly away, Liara crushes him with biotics. 
etc etc.

That's not even taking into account Joker would never have left Shep behind.

 
Yeah, Joker probably fight to the death rather than leaving Shepard behind. That just his cahracter. Prove? he Desperately tried to save alrady doomed SR1 and patiently wait for Shepard druing Suicide Mission.

[Mad-Max90]

Actually it was joker's lame crippled ass that got shep killed, if his ****** was a bit more logical he'd have hobbled to the nearest escape pod with the rest of the crew, but it was Shepard who pulled his ass out of the fire

[SimKoning]

pablosplinter wrote...

SimKoning wrote...


The actual lines were:

"did we get anyone to the beam?"
"Negative, our entire force was decimated"
"We need to regroup"
"Hammer has been WIPED OUT all forces RETREAT"

As far as EDI, my point still stands. The Normandy's sensors would have detected the Crucible powering up, and I imagine EDI might remind Joker that she doesn't want to die. 

So why did Joker go nd pick up one of your squad from there?  ........and leave Shepard, still alive right out in the open

They just watched him/her get blasted by a giant laser beam. Also, by the time Shepard wakes up, you can see Harbinger taking off after something. I'm betting he is pissed and wants to take out the Normandy himself. One more reason to retreat: the most powerful Reaper in existence is right on your ***.

[Thetri]

We should not have to come up with our own explanations to the ending. This is a sad generation of gaming indeed. I wonder how far along the time machine is? I need to return to the 90's.

[shengar]

If you keep justify that Joker would chicken out during the battle because of EDI or whatever else, that mean you just supporting a bad writing. Like I said, it totally out of his character and there is no way Joker would chicken out without good explanation.

[heart again]

MattFini wrote...
The ending to a trilogy shouldn't be vague at best and incoherent at worst.  

Modifié par heart again, 26 mars 2012 - 12:23 .