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[o Ventus]

WarWolf7 wrote...

The devs are mostly Canadians, eh? People keep bringing up Americans.

I thought we were following the Fallout timeline, where America annexes Canada and absorbs it.

[Aesieru]

coles4971 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

jeez, if you want to watch 3D characters fumbling around i'm sure there's a load of 3D porno out there to satisfy your desire

I always love this straw man argument whenever this particular subject is discussion.

A realistic portrayal of human sexuality is functionally different than porn.

I base this on watching many years of porn where the mailman gets jumped within moments of walking in the poor horny coed's door and later joined in the middle when the coed's hot roommate exploring her sexuality comes home.

Having never seen something anywhere close to this, I reject your portrayal of what people are looking for with how Bioware portrays the sexual side of their character interactions.

mmmh, I'm happy with Bioware just keeping it all "implied" to be honest. like yeah, if they just changed the scenes so rather than it being in underwear it's nude then yeah that's fine, but I mean I don't wanna see femshep getting banged by Garrus or that kinda thing 

Wow... that was an image I didn't need and is the reason I avoid porn for my entire life.

[PaddlePop]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fox. 5 years ago. Nuff' said.

Seriously, Americans have this weird thing about nudity.

It makes no sense. So you can show a head exploding from taking an exploding round, but god forbid you show some side boob, nipple and naked crotch.

Repressed nation is repressed! At this rate, Americans will wear Christian Right Burkhas before the end of this century. Hopefully, China will save us from ourselves.    

[Arsenic Touch]

They need to take some advice from FX.

FX is a non pay channel, public television. Their shows Nip/Tuck and Sons of Anarchy or Archer or American Horror Story. It's funny how that channel can show what it does but it's a big no no for mass effect.

Modifié par Arsenic Touch, 26 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[Aesieru]

PaddlePop wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fox. 5 years ago. Nuff' said.

Seriously, Americans have this weird thing about nudity.

It makes no sense. So you can show a head exploding from taking an exploding round, but god forbid you show some side boob, nipple and naked crotch.

Repressed nation is repressed! At this rate, Americans will wear Christian Right Burkhas before the end of this century. Hopefully, China will save us from ourselves.    

By killing people for being religious?

[PaddlePop]

If only HBO made games... Sigh! I really hate it that even though the average age of gamers are 35, developers still treat us as if we're a bunch of adolescents. Damnit, at least the Poles weren't scared to show some nipple, **** and ass.

Thank you Europe, you're still a shining light of liberalism.

[PaddlePop]

Aesieru wrote...

PaddlePop wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fox. 5 years ago. Nuff' said.

Seriously, Americans have this weird thing about nudity.

It makes no sense. So you can show a head exploding from taking an exploding round, but god forbid you show some side boob, nipple and naked crotch.

Repressed nation is repressed! At this rate, Americans will wear Christian Right Burkhas before the end of this century. Hopefully, China will save us from ourselves.    

By killing people for being religious?

Could be worse, could be religious people killing religious people for being differently religious, or not having religion at all. 

[Aesieru]

PaddlePop wrote...

If only HBO made games... Sigh! I really hate it that even though the average age of gamers are 35, developers still treat us as if we're a bunch of adolescents. Damnit, at least the Poles weren't scared to show some nipple, **** and ass.

Thank you Europe, you're still a shining light of liberalism.

HBO doesn't need to make games, they have a damn porn channel for crying out loud, no one with a porn channel should be making games.

In any case, I think you're detracting the discussion in a MAJOR way.

[AlienSpaceBats]

I think it's because it's weird and ends up unintentionally hilarious. I was fine with what the player got with Liara for example, you don't need to see anything.

Plus, I don't wanna see alien genitals.

[BeefoTheBold]

Aesieru wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

jeez, if you want to watch 3D characters fumbling around i'm sure there's a load of 3D porno out there to satisfy your desire

I always love this straw man argument whenever this particular subject is discussion.

A realistic portrayal of human sexuality is functionally different than porn.

I base this on watching many years of porn where the mailman gets jumped within moments of walking in the poor horny coed's door and later joined in the middle when the coed's hot roommate exploring her sexuality comes home.

Having never seen something anywhere close to this, I reject your portrayal of what people are looking for with how Bioware portrays the sexual side of their character interactions.

mmmh, I'm happy with Bioware just keeping it all "implied" to be honest. like yeah, if they just changed the scenes so rather than it being in underwear it's nude then yeah that's fine, but I mean I don't wanna see femshep getting banged by Garrus or that kinda thing 

Wow... that was an image I didn't need and is the reason I avoid porn for my entire life.

Sorry about that. I was mainly making a joke to illustrate a point.

That point being that

Having some nudity involved in the course of portraying a sex scene that is the culmination of many hours of dialog and build up in a believable ways is not the equivalent of virtual porn.

[Aesieru]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

jeez, if you want to watch 3D characters fumbling around i'm sure there's a load of 3D porno out there to satisfy your desire

I always love this straw man argument whenever this particular subject is discussion.

A realistic portrayal of human sexuality is functionally different than porn.

I base this on watching many years of porn where the mailman gets jumped within moments of walking in the poor horny coed's door and later joined in the middle when the coed's hot roommate exploring her sexuality comes home.

Having never seen something anywhere close to this, I reject your portrayal of what people are looking for with how Bioware portrays the sexual side of their character interactions.

mmmh, I'm happy with Bioware just keeping it all "implied" to be honest. like yeah, if they just changed the scenes so rather than it being in underwear it's nude then yeah that's fine, but I mean I don't wanna see femshep getting banged by Garrus or that kinda thing 

Wow... that was an image I didn't need and is the reason I avoid porn for my entire life.

Sorry about that. I was mainly making a joke to illustrate a point.

That point being that

Having some nudity involved in the course of portraying a sex scene that is the culmination of many hours of dialog and build up in a believable ways is not the equivalent of virtual porn.

It should be remembered that meaningful relationships generally don't start from having sex after talking 6 - 10 times.

That being said, I'm all for tasteful incorporation.

[PaddlePop]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

I think it's because it's weird and ends up unintentionally hilarious. I was fine with what the player got with Liara for example, you don't need to see anything.

Plus, I don't wanna see alien genitals.

Am I the only one who's curious to see if convergent evolution has resulted in Liara having a vagina, or whether Garrus actually has a penis? I always thought that poor fool had a cloaca.  How can you not want to see alien genitals?  

[Aesieru]

Here's an example of the Witcher 2 nudity and sex scene.

I personally believe it isn't tasteful in every manner, that she looks bad when she's naked in the pool not in terms of body but her face, and that Witcher 2 focuses far too much on nudity and porn and sex and other such things in its attempts to be mature and thus becomes immature while doing it.

Modifié par Aesieru, 26 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[Getorex]

Aesieru wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

jeez, if you want to watch 3D characters fumbling around i'm sure there's a load of 3D porno out there to satisfy your desire

I always love this straw man argument whenever this particular subject is discussion.

A realistic portrayal of human sexuality is functionally different than porn.

I base this on watching many years of porn where the mailman gets jumped within moments of walking in the poor horny coed's door and later joined in the middle when the coed's hot roommate exploring her sexuality comes home.

Having never seen something anywhere close to this, I reject your portrayal of what people are looking for with how Bioware portrays the sexual side of their character interactions.

mmmh, I'm happy with Bioware just keeping it all "implied" to be honest. like yeah, if they just changed the scenes so rather than it being in underwear it's nude then yeah that's fine, but I mean I don't wanna see femshep getting banged by Garrus or that kinda thing 

Wow... that was an image I didn't need and is the reason I avoid porn for my entire life.

Sorry about that. I was mainly making a joke to illustrate a point.

That point being that

Having some nudity involved in the course of portraying a sex scene that is the culmination of many hours of dialog and build up in a believable ways is not the equivalent of virtual porn.

It should be remembered that meaningful relationships generally don't start from having sex after talking 6 - 10 times.

That being said, I'm all for tasteful incorporation.

That's why there's Traynor in ME3 and Chambers in ME2.  A simple/easy bang without all the luggage.

[redplague]

giallomovie wrote...

 Why does Bioware avoid nudity in the Mass Effect sequels. The games are clearly for adults and they have relationships at their core and a sex scene if you took the time to devellop the relationship. So why do they avoid the nudity or even partial nudity.

It's not like we are asking for porn but the sex scenes are really bland and boring. In an age where games like Heavy Rain, God of War III, Dante's Inferno, Duke Nukem Forever, Grand Theft Auto IV... contain nudity without stirring any controversy, I don't see why Bioware is afraid of assuming that nudity if part of their adult universe. 

So you wouldn't mind seeing Kaiden's or Garrus's penis, or Shepards for that matter?  Or do you mean just female nudity and therefore are preaching double standards?

[Aesieru]

Getorex wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

jeez, if you want to watch 3D characters fumbling around i'm sure there's a load of 3D porno out there to satisfy your desire

I always love this straw man argument whenever this particular subject is discussion.

A realistic portrayal of human sexuality is functionally different than porn.

I base this on watching many years of porn where the mailman gets jumped within moments of walking in the poor horny coed's door and later joined in the middle when the coed's hot roommate exploring her sexuality comes home.

Having never seen something anywhere close to this, I reject your portrayal of what people are looking for with how Bioware portrays the sexual side of their character interactions.

mmmh, I'm happy with Bioware just keeping it all "implied" to be honest. like yeah, if they just changed the scenes so rather than it being in underwear it's nude then yeah that's fine, but I mean I don't wanna see femshep getting banged by Garrus or that kinda thing 

Wow... that was an image I didn't need and is the reason I avoid porn for my entire life.

Sorry about that. I was mainly making a joke to illustrate a point.

That point being that

Having some nudity involved in the course of portraying a sex scene that is the culmination of many hours of dialog and build up in a believable ways is not the equivalent of virtual porn.

It should be remembered that meaningful relationships generally don't start from having sex after talking 6 - 10 times.

That being said, I'm all for tasteful incorporation.

That's why there's Traynor in ME3 and Chambers in ME2.  A simple/easy bang without all the luggage.

Traynor's a homosexual, but her male-incorporation is very tastefully done.

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I could see their genitals fine sure, of course I'm a guy, not a girl, so I wouldn't see those scenes, unless I explored with a female char. In any case, I've seen my own genders genitals before, not gonna see anything different really.

Modifié par Aesieru, 26 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[BeefoTheBold]

Aesieru wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

jeez, if you want to watch 3D characters fumbling around i'm sure there's a load of 3D porno out there to satisfy your desire

I always love this straw man argument whenever this particular subject is discussion.

A realistic portrayal of human sexuality is functionally different than porn.

I base this on watching many years of porn where the mailman gets jumped within moments of walking in the poor horny coed's door and later joined in the middle when the coed's hot roommate exploring her sexuality comes home.

Having never seen something anywhere close to this, I reject your portrayal of what people are looking for with how Bioware portrays the sexual side of their character interactions.

mmmh, I'm happy with Bioware just keeping it all "implied" to be honest. like yeah, if they just changed the scenes so rather than it being in underwear it's nude then yeah that's fine, but I mean I don't wanna see femshep getting banged by Garrus or that kinda thing 

Wow... that was an image I didn't need and is the reason I avoid porn for my entire life.

Sorry about that. I was mainly making a joke to illustrate a point.

That point being that

Having some nudity involved in the course of portraying a sex scene that is the culmination of many hours of dialog and build up in a believable ways is not the equivalent of virtual porn.

It should be remembered that meaningful relationships generally don't start from having sex after talking 6 - 10 times.

That being said, I'm all for tasteful incorporation.

Setting aside for a moment the modern "third date" rule and the variance in sexual attitudes and norms across different countries here on earth let alone the entire galaxy...

I would assume that a couple of things are implied

1. There are a lot of behind the scenes conversations that we don't see. It's a little unrealistic to assume that Shepard unites the entire galactic universe in a matter of days. Timeline wise, I asume that months pass while Shepard is running around the entire galaxy uniting everyone and fixing the problems of centuries.

This means plenty of downtime for conversations while travelling.

2. Stressful situations with tons of adrenalin tend to stir other emotions. It would be totally realistic for some characters to jump into bed even assuming it's only a handful of conversations. Hell, it happens all the time with ordinary douche bags worldwide, let alone galactic saviors like Shepard.

Heck, if anything it's unrealistic that Shepard CAN'T get just about any tail he wants with a single wiggle of his manly eyebrows or wink of her sultry heroic lashes.

[OhManTFE]

It is stupid how Western culture considers terrible acts of violence to be acceptable but any explict act of love is heavily censored/repressed...

Really we should not have to deal with the whole "about to have sex... fade to black... cut to pillow talk" scenes. Come on the Witcher + Witcher 2 is the example you should be following.

Though even their nudity isn't complete.

[PaddlePop]

Aesieru wrote...



Here's an example of the Witcher 2 nudity and sex scene.

I personally believe it isn't tasteful in every manner, that she looks bad when she's naked in the pool not in terms of body but her face, and that Witcher 2 focuses far too much on nudity and porn and sex and other such things in its attempts to be mature and thus becomes immature while doing it.

Looks classy to me.

[CptBomBom00]

Because of ****ing FOX, well at least Liara's naked, and I don't think I would like to see Shepards penis tough.

[Aesieru]

OhManTFE wrote...

It is stupid how Western culture considers terrible acts of violence to be acceptable but any explict act of love is heavily censored/repressed...

Really we should not have to deal with the whole "about to have sex... fade to black... cut to pillow talk" scenes. Come on the Witcher + Witcher 2 is the example you should be following.

Though even their nudity isn't complete.

Their nudity is more than enough in W2, and is far too common to be realistic either.

[Getorex]

Aesieru wrote...



Here's an example of the Witcher 2 nudity and sex scene.

I personally believe it isn't tasteful in every manner, that she looks bad when she's naked in the pool not in terms of body but her face, and that Witcher 2 focuses far too much on nudity and porn and sex and other such things in its attempts to be mature and thus becomes immature while doing it.

Well, in some ways it is superior to ME 2 and 3, in others...water doesn't give such a clear/straight view of the body underneath (refraction and reflection).  AND IT IS DARK.

On another note, glad I don't play sword and sorcery games.  Hate them.  Done to DEATH.  Plus, EVERYONE needs a bath in those games...it's all Dark Ages-y where the BO would melt your nose off!  The entire Dark Ages was accomplished without a single person taking a damn bath!  Or brushing their teefs.

[StabGuy]

PaddlePop wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fox. 5 years ago. Nuff' said.

Seriously, Americans have this weird thing about nudity.

It makes no sense. So you can show a head exploding from taking an exploding round, but god forbid you show some side boob, nipple and naked crotch.

Repressed nation is repressed! At this rate, Americans will wear Christian Right Burkhas before the end of this century. Hopefully, China will save us from ourselves.    

It's a maturity thing.

People aren't ready for naked, but they are happy to look at the inside of a spleen.

It's like the whole ****** thing, people are so upset about EDI's ******, but don't mind that a reaper blew up a small child with a red laser.

[Aesieru]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

jeez, if you want to watch 3D characters fumbling around i'm sure there's a load of 3D porno out there to satisfy your desire

I always love this straw man argument whenever this particular subject is discussion.

A realistic portrayal of human sexuality is functionally different than porn.

I base this on watching many years of porn where the mailman gets jumped within moments of walking in the poor horny coed's door and later joined in the middle when the coed's hot roommate exploring her sexuality comes home.

Having never seen something anywhere close to this, I reject your portrayal of what people are looking for with how Bioware portrays the sexual side of their character interactions.

mmmh, I'm happy with Bioware just keeping it all "implied" to be honest. like yeah, if they just changed the scenes so rather than it being in underwear it's nude then yeah that's fine, but I mean I don't wanna see femshep getting banged by Garrus or that kinda thing 

Wow... that was an image I didn't need and is the reason I avoid porn for my entire life.

Sorry about that. I was mainly making a joke to illustrate a point.

That point being that

Having some nudity involved in the course of portraying a sex scene that is the culmination of many hours of dialog and build up in a believable ways is not the equivalent of virtual porn.

It should be remembered that meaningful relationships generally don't start from having sex after talking 6 - 10 times.

That being said, I'm all for tasteful incorporation.

Setting aside for a moment the modern "third date" rule and the variance in sexual attitudes and norms across different countries here on earth let alone the entire galaxy...

I would assume that a couple of things are implied

1. There are a lot of behind the scenes conversations that we don't see. It's a little unrealistic to assume that Shepard unites the entire galactic universe in a matter of days. Timeline wise, I asume that months pass while Shepard is running around the entire galaxy uniting everyone and fixing the problems of centuries.

This means plenty of downtime for conversations while travelling.

2. Stressful situations with tons of adrenalin tend to stir other emotions. It would be totally realistic for some characters to jump into bed even assuming it's only a handful of conversations. Hell, it happens all the time with ordinary douche bags worldwide, let alone galactic saviors like Shepard.

Heck, if anything it's unrealistic that Shepard CAN'T get just about any tail he wants with a single wiggle of his manly eyebrows or wink of her sultry heroic lashes.

Intensely disagree with this line, it kills any logistical sense I can think of.

Also Ashley believes in God, so the inherent "no sex before marriage" is gonna be there and IS IMPLIED by her statement about what she thought with her sister and "doing the deed". The only reason she forgos this is she thinks she's gonna die, incidentally it happens AGAIN in ME3 because she thinks she's gonna die again.

So that's one.

[Getorex]

StabGuy wrote...

PaddlePop wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fox. 5 years ago. Nuff' said.

Seriously, Americans have this weird thing about nudity.

It makes no sense. So you can show a head exploding from taking an exploding round, but god forbid you show some side boob, nipple and naked crotch.

Repressed nation is repressed! At this rate, Americans will wear Christian Right Burkhas before the end of this century. Hopefully, China will save us from ourselves.    

It's a maturity thing.

People aren't ready for naked, but they are happy to look at the inside of a spleen.

It's like the whole ****** thing, people are so upset about EDI's ******, but don't mind that a reaper blew up a small child with a red laser.

The only problem I have with EDI's cameltoe is it is so...trailer trash.  EDI isn't trailer trash.  

Keep the cameltoe where it belongs: in Hooters and in the trailer park/low rent bars.