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[rdrules]

aries1001 wrote...

In the UK, they have a system called BBFC. As such, the ME1 game got a 12+ rating. And strangely enough, I've seen a few imports into Denmark from the UK with this rating.

yeah ME1 with an acceptable and well portrayed nudity got a 12 rating ME3 with rubbish sex in underwear got a 15

[abaris]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It was something I came across looking at old games. This is probably the most extreme example.

Yes, you're right. I thought you were talking about tv.

The most absurd example of the no blood rule was the first Mafia. In the European version you weren't able to hurt civilians.

There was one particular mission where you had to flee the airport. With a bloodpatch that I downloaded back then, you only had to shoot one guy in a telephone booth. Without that patch that guy was invulnerable because he was an innocent bystander although he grassed you up. Therefore you had to shoot scores of policemen whilst making your escape.

So, mission accomplished, no blood, but dozens of policemen killed.

[AkiKishi]

abaris wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It was something I came across looking at old games. This is probably the most extreme example.

Yes, you're right. I thought you were talking about tv.

The most absurd example of the no blood rule was the first Mafia. In the European version you weren't able to hurt civilians.

There was one particular mission where you had to flee the airport. With a bloodpatch that I downloaded back then, you only had to shoot one guy in a telephone booth. Without that patch that guy was invulnerable because he was an innocent bystander although he grassed you up. Therefore you had to shoot scores of policemen whilst making your escape.

So, mission accomplished, no blood, but dozens of policemen killed.

We, the UK had Fallout 2 with invisible kids. By the time I played it they had been patched in but it's really eerie otherwise because you have the conversations and text but no models..

[-Area51-Silent]

Look, if God of War III got away with what it did during the aphrodite scene (which was completely not tasteless in anyway, nor supposed to be), you can get away with a TASTELESS romance scene with nudity in it..trust me, its an election year there's enough ppl complaining about the cadidiates/president in the news they won't bother you this time!

[Tirigon]

giallomovie wrote...

 Why does Bioware avoid nudity in the Mass Effect sequels. The games are clearly for adults and they have relationships at their core and a sex scene if you took the time to devellop the relationship. So why do they avoid the nudity or even partial nudity.

It's not like we are asking for porn but the sex scenes are really bland and boring. In an age where games like Heavy Rain, God of War III, Dante's Inferno, Duke Nukem Forever, Grand Theft Auto IV... contain nudity without stirring any controversy, I don't see why Bioware is afraid of assuming that nudity if part of their adult universe. 

Your examples do not have alien sex.

ANYWAYS, ME contains enough nudity. Just look at EDI and the Geth.  Personally I like it. What little we see of Liara is not nearly as hot as what I see in my imagination so I dont mind having that undisturbed:innocent:

[rdrules]

worst recent bit of censorship i can think of thats recent was ResEvil and the whole you cant shoot mostly black people when the game was set in africa

[Toyou4you]

if you want full nudity watch a porno.

[Tirigon]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I don't care about it, i don't need it.

It's not a matter of nudity as fan service ("porn") but immersion - e.g. women having a shower whilst fully dressed breaks my immersion. If you are going to do a nude scene then do it right or not all all; this silly standard-issue-underwear for everyone is nonsense.

Agreed. But the Traynor scene was still nice

they did not romance Liara or saw her sex scene on youtube.

Shepard keeping her standard issue Alliance bra and panties is not at all conspicuous.

She is just ashamed because Liara looks better.

[Naughty Bear]

Tirigon wrote...

giallomovie wrote...

 Why does Bioware avoid nudity in the Mass Effect sequels. The games are clearly for adults and they have relationships at their core and a sex scene if you took the time to devellop the relationship. So why do they avoid the nudity or even partial nudity.

It's not like we are asking for porn but the sex scenes are really bland and boring. In an age where games like Heavy Rain, God of War III, Dante's Inferno, Duke Nukem Forever, Grand Theft Auto IV... contain nudity without stirring any controversy, I don't see why Bioware is afraid of assuming that nudity if part of their adult universe. 

Your examples do not have alien sex.

ANYWAYS, ME contains enough nudity. Just look at EDI and the Geth.  Personally I like it. What little we see of Liara is not nearly as hot as what I see in my imagination so I dont mind having that undisturbed:innocent:

There are demon boobs in Dante's Inferno and a demon penis flopping about. And lets not forgot a entire level with structures based on a vagina along with demons that have a vagina fling out and try to strangle you with it.

And there are the constant orgasm sounds playing on loop.

And you can behead babies.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 26 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[rdrules]

Toyou4you wrote...

if you want full nudity watch a porno.

once again nudity does NOT equal porn

[Grimez7]

Gnoster wrote...

Isn't it mainly because of the game's rating in USA? If nudity are included it goes to PG18 or something (though extreme violence is fine at PG16).
Note: Not sure if those terms are used 100% correctly as I'm not american myself.

And regarding the Fox News thing I honestly think Bioware doesn't care about them anymore. If they did, they wouldn't have included same sex relationships since Fox is fanatical on that point.

But I do agree, it can be done more "artful" than it was, the Liara scene is a perfect example of that. Personally I don't need to see nudity in video games to the extend that Witcher 2 goes to. I don't mind it, but I have no specific need for it, since Google easily can provide enough there :-)

those are movie ratings

game ratings are : Everyone(E) Everyone 10+(E10+) Teen(T) Mature(M) and Adult Only(AO)

most games are either E, T or M. I have yet to see a game so graphic that it got an AO.

[Naughty Bear]

Grimez7 wrote...

Gnoster wrote...

Isn't it mainly because of the game's rating in USA? If nudity are included it goes to PG18 or something (though extreme violence is fine at PG16).
Note: Not sure if those terms are used 100% correctly as I'm not american myself.

And regarding the Fox News thing I honestly think Bioware doesn't care about them anymore. If they did, they wouldn't have included same sex relationships since Fox is fanatical on that point.

But I do agree, it can be done more "artful" than it was, the Liara scene is a perfect example of that. Personally I don't need to see nudity in video games to the extend that Witcher 2 goes to. I don't mind it, but I have no specific need for it, since Google easily can provide enough there :-)

those are movie ratings

game ratings are : Everyone(E) Everyone 10+(E10+) Teen(T) Mature(M) and Adult Only(AO)

most games are either E, T or M. I have yet to see a game so graphic that it got an AO.

I think Manhunt got an AO apparently, but i have never seen that rating in the UK. Mature is the top one.

[Grimez7]

Back on topic, yeah, most likely from the heat they got from Fox. You can see how much more reserved the scenes were in ME2, Miranda being the most explicit(though not explicit at all) then they got back into a semi-ME1 mood with ME3 but still haven't made it back to that level.

[FirstBlood XL]

Agreed --- Not looking for anything more then ME1's level of nudity --- But cutting it so far back in part 2 and 3 just takes me out of the story and makes me think "Well, they really were scared about negative 'nudity' publicity".

[AkiKishi]

Naughty Bear wrote...
There are demon boobs in Dante's Inferno and a demon penis flopping about. And lets not forgot a entire level with structures based on a vagina along with demons that have a vagina fling out and try to strangle you with it.

And there are the constant orgasm sounds playing on loop.

And you can behead babies.

Should I be worried that flopping demon penis put me off the game more than beheading babies?

[Naughty Bear]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...
There are demon boobs in Dante's Inferno and a demon penis flopping about. And lets not forgot a entire level with structures based on a vagina along with demons that have a vagina fling out and try to strangle you with it.

And there are the constant orgasm sounds playing on loop.

And you can behead babies.

Should I be worried that flopping demon penis put me off the game more than beheading babies?

Wel i surely don't want a floppy demon willy slapping me across the face.

The Cleopatra boss has babies coming out of her nipples.

[Tirigon]

Naughty Bear wrote...

There are demon boobs in Dante's Inferno and a demon penis flopping about. And lets not forgot a entire level with structures based on a vagina along with demons that have a vagina fling out and try to strangle you with it.

And there are the constant orgasm sounds playing on loop.

And you can behead babies.

Sounds almost Japanese....

But I guess it is because Dante's Inferno is based on a piece of world literature. That counts for a lot.
I guess it is a bit like with **** swastikas in Germany: Wolfenstein was declared illegal because of them, but "historic" movies about Hitler and / or WW2 can show them by the 100s and noone cares.

Naughty Bear wrote...

I think Manhunt got an AO apparently, but i have never seen that rating in the UK. Mature is the top one.

I dunno about the UK but maybe it is like in Germany: You wont see those ratings because any game with it wil automatically be "hidden", i. e. it can only be sold under the table with a black cover upon explicitly asking for it, and it mustnt be advertised for.

[Noel Vermillion]

Tirigon wrote...

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Sounds almost Japanese....

But I guess it is because Dante's Inferno is based on a piece of world literature. That counts for a lot.
I guess it is a bit like with **** swastikas in Germany: Wolfenstein was declared illegal because of them, but "historic" movies about Hitler and / or WW2 can show them by the 100s and noone cares.

Based on the Divine Comedy? In name alone, I suppose...

[rdrules]

Tirigon wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

I think Manhunt got an AO apparently, but i have never seen that rating in the UK. Mature is the top one.

I dunno about the UK but maybe it is like in Germany: You wont see those ratings because any game with it wil automatically be "hidden", i. e. it can only be sold under the table with a black cover upon explicitly asking for it, and it mustnt be advertised for.

no you wouldnt see ratings like that here because we dont use them, currently we are BBFC which is U*, PG, 12a, 15 and 18 and we are currently in transition back to using PEGI which is 3,7,12,16,18

we havenever had a system withletters like the american one so logically youwuld never have seen itin the UK 

oh and also we currently have no system that requires hiding of any material below the counter, even porn is in plain sight in some shops 

Modifié par rdrules, 26 mars 2012 - 06:13 .

[abaris]

Noel Vermillion wrote...

Based on the Divine Comedy? In name alone, I suppose...

Dante was pretty graphic. As was a whole lot of medieval literature.

The prudish attitudes only have been introduced in later times.

[KleinesWehWehchen]

giallomovie wrote...

 Why does Bioware avoid nudity in the Mass Effect sequels. The games are clearly for adults and they have relationships at their core and a sex scene if you took the time to devellop the relationship. So why do they avoid the nudity or even partial nudity.

It's not like we are asking for porn but the sex scenes are really bland and boring. In an age where games like Heavy Rain, God of War III, Dante's Inferno, Duke Nukem Forever, Grand Theft Auto IV... contain nudity without stirring any controversy, I don't see why Bioware is afraid of assuming that nudity if part of their adult universe. 

EA is a publisher in the USA and ME is primarily designed for US consumers. And we all know that americans are offended by nipples and robotic cameltoes. Hence the lack of nudity. European games like The Witcher 2 don't have these issues. As far as I know, the USA is the only western country with such blatant concerns about nudity.

[Nathan Redgrave]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fox. 5 years ago. Nuff' said.

Seriously, Americans have this weird thing about nudity.

Soccer moms have this weird thing about not caring how big and obvious the massive black "M" rating on the front of the box is, more like.

[rdrules]

EA is a publisher in the USA and ME is primarily designed for US consumers. And we all know that americans are offended by nipples and robotic cameltoes. Hence the lack of nudity. European games like The Witcher 2 don't have these issues. As far as I know, the USA is the only western country with such blatant concerns about nudity.

no one is asking for nipples and cameltoes though, just their backs would have done, or the shoulders coming from under the covers, surely that wouldnt hurt anyone 

[Nathan Redgrave]

Toyou4you wrote...

if you want full nudity watch a porno

Has it occured to you that some of us appreciate nudity for something a little more cultured that that? While it's easy to throw "art" to the winds in favor of laying on the sex-appeal aspect of a love scene too thick, "art" also takes a hit when the nudity factor is dumbed down because making the scene look natural would ruffle someone's feathers. The reason ME sequel love scenes lack nudity, and the reason everyone in Dragon Age shags without ever once taking off their underthings, is because a whole lot of parents made a stink because a videogame they'd never buy their children in the first place might corrupt their children by showing them... I don't know, what, that people don't wear underthings while making babies? It's not even as if the sex scenes in ME1 showed any of the naughty bits other than that one shot of a lady's bum, and everyone--male or female--has one of those, just look down and behind you next time you bathe yourself. Only difference is one's is a bit curvier than the other's. Maybe it's just because I'm young enough to remember actually BEING a kid, but that doesn't exactly strike me as a traumatizing experience.

What BioWare did was attempt to compromise between art and public approval. Predictably, the result is dragged down by the latter.

EDIT: I still prefer ME2/ME3 love scenes over ME1's, but this is for the same reason I prefer the love scenes in DA2 over the ones in DA: O... each one is unique, rather than sharing all the same stock animations as the others. Gives me another reason to romance different people in each subsequent playthrough, apart from getting to know each character from a more intimate perspective.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 26 mars 2012 - 06:27 .