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[Nathan Redgrave]

twincast wrote...
This. Not to mention sex scenes (and nudity) going from almost on a The Witcher 2 level (in style, far from it in quality) in DA:O to nonexistent (at least for the protagonist) in DA2.

Um... what? The sex scenes were like ME1's with underpants on: just a bunch of fade-in shots of people doing sensual poses, except with underwear because the developers either couldn't be arsed to make nude models or didn't want to risk kicking the Faux News hornet's nest again. I don't know what Witcher 2 does, but DA: O's sex scenes were like ME1, only they felt even MORE copy/paste than in that game.

DA2 does a similar thing to ME2: characters have unique love scenes, but they never take off their undergarments and wind up cuddling in them during the afterglow for some reason. (It would have been more believable if they were at least under a blanket or something.)

[JexyG]

I guess that's the problem. When Liara's scene is super awesome and everyone else's sucks in comparison, not to mention say Jack's which is a kiss and dancing... blegh. No reason why they couldn't treat everyone equally. ME1 it was literally the same, but in ME2 they at least changed things up, but still all equal. ME3... jeez, might as well be the Liara fan club making the cut scenes.

[Tirigon]

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The same reason there is a lack of cigars.

TIM has ALWAYS been seen with one...

Yea and TIM acts like space Hitler and is indoctrinated.

Anti-smoker agenda at its best.

[Katinka]

So many people miss the point...

It's not about wanting to see nipples (although I do...), it's about not seeing the ridiculousness of clothes in the shower (which, ironically, you would more likely see in porn over real life). Showing Traynor from the neck up in the shower would be preferable to seeing her wearing underwear in the shower.

For the same reason I got a nudity mod for Fallout 3. Not for the sexiness but for the reality.

Anecdotal example: I shoot a female raider, steal her armour which consists of a pair of colanders over her chest and a tiny pair of shorts and, because I'm a kind and considerate person who respects the modesty of a woman I just murdered, I replace her skimpy armour with a larger pair of shorts and a vest! It would be impossible for her to have been wearing the vest under that armour, I must have put it on her... It made no sense and the option was there to change it so I did.

[BlacJAC74]

Like the love scenes, they add absolutely nothing to the game whatsoever. I don't mind my porn and i love sex, so I'm no prude, but the whole 'love interest' thing is already taking up valuable disc space, which could have been used for other things, so adding in more useless content would only lead to yet more stuff being cut from the game.

Modifié par BlacJAC74, 26 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Tirigon]

MalevoIence wrote...

You all want to see CG ******?...

And if that was the case.....

[BlacJAC74]

Nemy Montoya wrote...

So many people miss the point...

It's not about wanting to see nipples (although I do...), it's about not seeing the ridiculousness of clothes in the shower (which, ironically, you would more likely see in porn over real life). Showing Traynor from the neck up in the shower would be preferable to seeing her wearing underwear in the shower.

For the same reason I got a nudity mod for Fallout 3. Not for the sexiness but for the reality.

Anecdotal example: I shoot a female raider, steal her armour which consists of a pair of colanders over her chest and a tiny pair of shorts and, because I'm a kind and considerate person who respects the modesty of a woman I just murdered, I replace her skimpy armour with a larger pair of shorts and a vest! It would be impossible for her to have been wearing the vest under that armour, I must have put it on her... It made no sense and the option was there to change it so I did.

Yeah, next you'll be telling us the moon is made from cheese. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.  If you want realism, try playing a game without aliens and jiggery pokery.

Anyway, i think you've put to much thought into it for it only to mean more 'realism'.  Admit it, you're just a perv.  No shame in that, mate.

Modifié par BlacJAC74, 26 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[rdrules]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Like the love scenes, they add absolutely nothing to the game whatsoever. I don't mind my porn and i love sex, so I'm no prude, but the whole 'love interest' thing is already taking up valuable disc space, which could have been used for other things, so adding in more useless content would only lead to yet more stuff being cut from the game.

they add massive amounts to the game, the lore and social interaction aspects would be the same at all, there is so much you can only learn about your squadmates in me2 if you romance them.

the game was always about interactions like this and mass effect wouldnt be the same without it 

[Adranathz]

mature filter
end of history

also,

romance nudity dlc

$10 u see boobs
no $10 u see necks

[Ruari]

After playing the Witcher 2 Bioware's fade to black is just a little childish. I'm not going to sit here and demand to see naked pixel women, it's just annoying as some people have said how they seem to be catering down to kids in rated M games.

[KleinesWehWehchen]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A memory from my childhood sums this paradox up perfectly: when I was eight, I was allowed to watch The Terminator with my dad. All the blood and gore and violence and murder in the movie was fair game, but Dad felt the need to fast-forward through the sex scene, because... I dunno, nipples are more dangerous for kids to look at than a cybernetic assassin pulling bloody patches of gore off of his own face?

I don't get parents sometimes. It should be an all-or-nothing deal. Either keep your kids away from "age-inappropriate" material entirely, or let them see the world for what it is... entirely. Don't half-ass it. That just confuses them.

So, what are you going to do when you have kids? Will you continue this american "tradition"? Seriously, The Terminator (uncut) is rated 18+ in my country due to the explicit violence and gore. The sex scene is actually harmless. Will this ridiculousness ever end in the USA?

[Tenshi]

im actually glad, really. would not want to randomly run at video on youtube where is shepard blowing cortez.

Modifié par xxx2emo4Uxxx, 26 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Punk4Real]

The romance in ME3 sucked balls if you had the misfortune of having a love interest from ME2.

[Nelatherion]

Yea I don't know about you guys but I do not know any woman that takes her bra off, then sticks it back on when she goes to sleep.

I don't expect the same out of Ash, or Miranda (ME2). The way they did the romance in ME1 was tasteful. In ME2 and 3 it felt like it was a PG scene in an R Rated movie.

I'm not asking for full frontal nudity, but it did seem like a step backwards.

[BlacJAC74]

rdrules wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Like the love scenes, they add absolutely nothing to the game whatsoever. I don't mind my porn and i love sex, so I'm no prude, but the whole 'love interest' thing is already taking up valuable disc space, which could have been used for other things, so adding in more useless content would only lead to yet more stuff being cut from the game.

they add massive amounts to the game, the lore and social interaction aspects would be the same at all, there is so much you can only learn about your squadmates in me2 if you romance them.

the game was always about interactions like this and mass effect wouldnt be the same without it 

nah, i don't buy that.  Remove the unnecessary love interest clap-trap and replace it with more dialouge and you get the same thing.  Add to that, the time allocated to the love scence would be better used adding to other areas of the story or giving us 5 more minutes of actual game play would be better still.

whether i romance someone or not makes absolutley no difference to my game.  I don't see what it adds.  Seriously i don't.  It's just there to get more $$$$$$ and free advertising. 

Have i missed something regarding the lore?  as far as i can see, you get the lore without doing the whole LI malarkey, so i dunno what you mean with the lore part of your argument.

Modifié par BlacJAC74, 26 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[DeadPoolX]

Punk4Real wrote...

The romance in ME3 sucked balls if you had the misfortune of having a love interest from ME2.

I think there would be less complaining here if the romance did "suck balls." 

[abaris]

WarWolf7 wrote...

What the hell are you talking about? Americans don't mind black teens getting shot or some psyco slaughtering defenseless families? That's straight up idiotic.

I guess they were refering to that vigilante not being arrested after having shot a black teen.

Not that nobody cared since there are demonstrations.

[RVallant]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

rdrules wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Like the love scenes, they add absolutely nothing to the game whatsoever. I don't mind my porn and i love sex, so I'm no prude, but the whole 'love interest' thing is already taking up valuable disc space, which could have been used for other things, so adding in more useless content would only lead to yet more stuff being cut from the game.

they add massive amounts to the game, the lore and social interaction aspects would be the same at all, there is so much you can only learn about your squadmates in me2 if you romance them.

the game was always about interactions like this and mass effect wouldnt be the same without it 

nah, i don't buy that.  Remove the unnecessary love interest clap-trap and replace it with more dialouge and you get the same thing.  Add to that, the time allocated to the love scence would be better used adding to other areas of the story or giving us 5 more minutes of actual game play would be better still.

whether i romance someone or not makes absolutley no difference to my game.  I don't see what it adds.  Seriously i don't.  It's just there to get more $$$$$$ and free advertising. 

Have i missed something regarding the lore?  as far as i can see, you get the lore without doing the whole LI malarkey, so i dunno what you mean with the lore part of your argument.

Nah, you ain't missing anything it's just a straw man argument.

I think the real point is, over in the EU/Asia/Oceania we really don't care about nudity. Iirc you can get a crap-ton of nudity in a game or video without an "ADULT" rating provided you don't show genitals in sex or 'prepared' for sex (i.e. Hard on).

And when a game/movie is so up on the violence and has mature themes, people want the sex or romance scenes to be on par with everything else. Don't patronise the audience with 'bra' shots etc. I think it's a case of "do it right and fully or, don't do it at all."

As for the American 'tradition' of violence = fine, sex = taboo, I never understood it. Nipples are nipples, the sooner people get over it the better. If anything torture-porn is a helluva lot worse. And no, I don't want torture crapfests banned or toned down either, freedom of speech/artistic expression et al.

[Parmida]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

im actually glad, really. would not want to randomly run at video on youtube where is shepard blowing cortez.

Lol that would be awesome:devil:...wait, nevermind..

[Deviija]

As usual when discussing this topic, it is more accurately 'What's with the lack of FEMALE nudity?' rather than nudity in general. And many people making arguments for female nudity specifically rather than being for nudity in general -- which is what the topic really should be about. I'm all for nudity in games, especially where it makes sense in scenes/love scenes/post-love scenes/slaves/bodies/what have you, but not exclusively having boobs out merely for a select demographic to get thrills out of. Which, regardless of protesting, is what this topic often boils down to whenever it gets discussed.

If we're going to come at this in a mature fashion, then nudity for nudity's realistic sake should be addressed and focused on. For everyone. Not just on hawt girls, or just during love scenes.

[Tirigon]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Yeah, next you'll be telling us the moon is made from cheese. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.  If you want realism, try playing a game without aliens and jiggery pokery.

Anyway, i think you've put to much thought into it for it only to mean more 'realism'.  Admit it, you're just a perv.  No shame in that, mate.

Perv or not, he has a point. It is ridiculous if bodies become dressed MORE MODESTLY by UNDRESSING them.

That being said, taking the bra off a killed enemy is already *a bit* perverted in itself.

[abaris]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Like the love scenes, they add absolutely nothing to the game whatsoever. I don't mind my porn and i love sex, so I'm no prude, but the whole 'love interest' thing is already taking up valuable disc space, which could have been used for other things, so adding in more useless content would only lead to yet more stuff being cut from the game.

But that's the point. The romance options are a valuable part of Bioware games. I used to like them for their character interactions, not because of the mostly average stories and certainly not for their combat.

Well written character interacting with each other in every possible way. That used to be Bioware and that's why romance as opposed to multiplayer doesn't eat valuable disk space.

[abaris]

Tirigon wrote...


That being said, taking the bra off a killed enemy is already *a bit* perverted in itself.

Not if it sells for quite a bit of money and not if it's actually a pretty good protective armor.

That's the Fallout universe for you.

[Tirigon]

Deviija wrote...


As usual when discussing this topic, it is more accurately 'What's with the lack of FEMALE nudity?' rather than nudity in general. And many people making arguments for female nudity specifically rather than being for nudity in general -- which is what the topic really should be about. I'm all for nudity in games, especially where it makes sense in scenes/love scenes/post-love scenes/slaves/bodies/what have you, but not exclusively having boobs out merely for a select demographic to get thrills out of. Which, regardless of protesting, is what this topic often boils down to whenever it gets discussed.

If we're going to come at this in a mature fashion, then nudity for nudity's realistic sake should be addressed and focused on. For everyone. Not just on hawt girls, or just during love scenes.

Well, I would not mind having Sheploo and Vega walking around with their huge (or not so huge, in Vega's case) thing hanging out. Would be fun to see the interactions:

Vega (looking down): Impressive, Loco.
Shep: [awkward silence] .... Thanks.
Vega: Think you can dance while we talk?
Shep (looking down): Things may get in the way.
Vega: Yea, right. See ya.

[BlacJAC74]

Well, ME2 is no different in that respect to almost every other game out there. If you can get your head around aliens, people shooting electrical bolts from their finger tips etc, you sure in hell can get your head around a body mesh wearing a bra.

Modifié par BlacJAC74, 26 mars 2012 - 08:20 .