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[Myrmedus]

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And ME3 does not deserve this at all.

In some ways it does. In others ways it doesn't. I love a lot of things about ME3, but I utterely despise others ( and by others I don't mean the ending choices and their consequeunces ),

And don't bring up the piece of dung that is DA2, thank God they ended that.

Maybe you are thankful they ended it. I was looking forward to more. I wasn't judging it, merely pointing out to where this will lead.

ME3 does not deserve this any more than TW2 deserves being sneered at for being sexist, not having 16 endings AT ALL (Three at best) or its rotten import system. (Even though each of these accusations contains some truth)

- Variable endings less required. TW2 not final instalment in saga.
- Import system fairly immaterial. No problems with it personally. In fact, didn't even expect it.
- Sexist? Not sure. Boobs? Maybe make it sexist. Personally found sexual scenes unsettling. Then again, find all video-game sexual scenes unsettling. Can simply skip them sans first scene.

ME3 requires more closure. Last instalment in trilogy, culmination of entire narrative arc. More riding on it, needed to be much better. Also, point to note, CDP making amendments to TW2. Players complained Act 3 too short, CDP extending Act. Adding more characters, more story. CDP handling of TW2 perfect argument for BW to fix ME3.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 26 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[alberta]

Heather Cline wrote...

I'm not going to silence myself because people think I should. I'm a consumer. I was promised a product with several features and also a ending that had several different possibilities. I was lied to. Therefore as a consumer it is my responsibility and my duty to be outraged and to complain to the company that made said product. Video games are first and foremost a product. They are art only secondary because they use some art in their medium to portray a scenes to me visually.

The game did not deliver as promised by the Advertising and PR campaign done by Bioware's Casey Hudson, Mac Walters, and Dr. Ray Muzyka. Because of this the game is horrible and it should not have been shipped in this condition. I don't care what the excuses are, or their so called 'artistic integrity' is or that their defense is that "it's art". They can't hide behind those things and I will call the company on it time and time again until Bioware as a company understands that this is unacceptable.

So no I am not being unfair to the company. I am being very fair by being civil while vocalizing my outcry and my disdain for what they did to the series and to this one single game as a whole.

Excellent points - and as a fellow customer I have the same right to ask for resulation for a badly damged games that had the potential to make BW into a giant in the entertainment insudtry. They failed to deliver as advertized. Mass Effect is a VIDEO game - not art first, second, but certainly not last either. The actual Video game graphics were brilliant - it was their ending storyline that failed their own graphic astistry of story continuity and common sense.

[Actinguy1]

Another reason that I stick around is that some people "think" they're okay with the ending. I'll give you an example. A friend of mine (ironically, the one who first tried to sell me on Mass Effect when it first came out) called me after he had beaten the game. He knew of my outrage (after seeing my facebook posts, etc), and called because he was confused. He thought the ending was dumb, but he didn't understand why I was so mad. When I explained it to him...the fact that I could describe his ending to him without knowing what choices he made...the fact that important characters who died in ME2 were just replaced by characters who did the same thing in ME3 (Tali, Thane, Wrex, Grunt, etc), and ESPECIALLY the Tali controversy...he was as angry as I was.

Should I have just let him stay in his ignorant bliss, believing that he had seen only one of 16 endings? Maybe. But how does that help him? How does that help Bioware? How does it help the future of the gaming industry?

[SilentPhenomed]

The ending just needs more explanation. We need to know the Reaper origins. We need to know the specific patterns they do. Catalyst was very vague and metaphorical.

I don't need to see Tuchanka or Turians and Krogan shaking hands or Quarians taking off their masks on rannoch...I know it will happen for those still there and I know those stranded will learn to adapt in ways they have already indictated throughout the series. That's all fluff and stuff we know before the final push.

We need to know the Reaper origins. Otherwise....other than a rather vague explanation, I actually was satisfied with the ending and I loved the rest of the game. Absolutely amazing and wonderful to see how my choices impacted MY mass effect 3 galaxy.

[Persephone]

Myrmedus wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And ME3 does not deserve this at all.

In some ways it does. In others ways it doesn't. I love a lot of things about ME3, but I utterely despise others ( and by others I don't mean the ending choices and their consequeunces ),

And don't bring up the piece of dung that is DA2, thank God they ended that.

Maybe you are thankful they ended it. I was looking forward to more. I wasn't judging it, merely pointing out to where this will lead.

ME3 does not deserve this any more than TW2 deserves being sneered at for being sexist, not having 16 endings AT ALL (Three at best) or its rotten import system. (Even though each of these accusations contains some truth)

- Variable endings less required. TW2 not final instalment in saga.
- Import system fairly immaterial. No problems with it personally. In fact, didn't even expect it.
- Sexist? Not sure. Boobs? Maybe make it sexist. Personally found sexual scenes unsettling. Then again, find all video-game sexual scenes unsettling. Can simply skip them sans first scene.

ME3 requires more closure. Last instalment in trilogy, culmination of entire narrative arc. More riding on it, needed to be much better.

- They were still promised.
- Not immaterial to me
 - Don't mind the nudity

Would like some closure myself, on that I agree.:happy:

[sydranark]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

Consider the following:

1) they get defensive about all of the criticism

2) they say that they will "clarify" (not change) the ending. meaning that we were too dumb to get it the first time around, so they'll explain it to us a bit slower. they're not addressing the fact that a major plot twist occured in the last 5 minutes of the game, and the ending they promised and advertised never actually happened. 

3) they are making the ending DLC available for purchase later on. so, even if we paid $60 for the actual game, we won't know how it really ends unless we shell out some more money for it. they're famous for doing crap like this. in the DA series, shale was DLC. In ME3, Javik was DLC. Javik was $10. All we got was one mission and some stubborn prothean that had no knowledge of the crucible, and assisted in no way other than an average soldier. 

if they gave us some respect, they might recieve some in return. if they treat us like fools, they better have their blast shields up and ready for tomato-tossing. 

Modifié par sydranark, 26 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[TheLostGenius]

We should be hugging bioware and giving them romances and bromances and sending them flowers and wads of cash for making so many wonderful games.

[iorveth1271]

Since I'm as kind as can-be, I'll decide not to be addressed by this post

But yeah, Mass Effect 3, despite it's ending, was IMO still a good game. I wouldn't exactly say it was as good as ME1 IMO though it had it's incredibly epic moments (Mordin's death, however it happened, Vega and Garrus outdoing each other, Javik's joke... to name a few) but they also dropped the ball with a few things unfortunately...(Tali's face, the Dark Energy problem staying unresolved which comes along with Gianna Parasini never making an appearance, Corporal Toombs never showing up... and then all the unheld pre-release promises, which IMO are outright lies) and those things keep me a bit infuriated. Not at specific people at Bioware or here on the board but at Bioware AND EA as a whole. They could've done better, they SHOULD'VE done better for the conclusion of this epic trilogy.

But you're absolutely right. We should keep it kind, polite and respectful. It was still an alright game after all, despite the ending and whoever says they didn't enjoy playing it lies IMO.

[Dorrieb]

I'm sorry, but since when do artists expect the public to be kind and look on the bright side? We don't give that kind of a break to novels, films, or television, do we?

[Spherexius]

I see as much hate spewed from the opposition as I see from the movement, so meh. There will always be a couple bad eggs in the basket, so just let the mods deal with the trolls.

No need for panic either way.

[Myrmedus]

Persephone wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And ME3 does not deserve this at all.

In some ways it does. In others ways it doesn't. I love a lot of things about ME3, but I utterely despise others ( and by others I don't mean the ending choices and their consequeunces ),

And don't bring up the piece of dung that is DA2, thank God they ended that.

Maybe you are thankful they ended it. I was looking forward to more. I wasn't judging it, merely pointing out to where this will lead.

ME3 does not deserve this any more than TW2 deserves being sneered at for being sexist, not having 16 endings AT ALL (Three at best) or its rotten import system. (Even though each of these accusations contains some truth)

- Variable endings less required. TW2 not final instalment in saga.
- Import system fairly immaterial. No problems with it personally. In fact, didn't even expect it.
- Sexist? Not sure. Boobs? Maybe make it sexist. Personally found sexual scenes unsettling. Then again, find all video-game sexual scenes unsettling. Can simply skip them sans first scene.

ME3 requires more closure. Last instalment in trilogy, culmination of entire narrative arc. More riding on it, needed to be much better.

- They were still promised.
- Not immaterial to me
 - Don't mind the nudity

Would like some closure myself, on that I agree.:happy:

- Possibly, not all that bothered with promises though - never trust big companies/corporations. Outright lies disheartening but not surprising.
- Not sure what problems you're referring to?
- *shivers*

Also, I added to my post after you quoted it that CDP is working on some of the issues players raised with Act 3 of TW2 being too short. This is a good example to use when arguing for BW to fix ME3

Modifié par Myrmedus, 26 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[Persephone]

sydranark wrote...

Consider the following:

1) they get defensive about all of the criticism

2) they say that they will "clarify" (not change) the ending. meaning that we were too dumb to get it the first time around, so they'll explain it to us a bit slower. they're not addressing the fact that a major plot twist occured in the last 5 minutes of the game, and the ending they promised and advertised never actually happened. 

3) they are making the ending DLC available for purchase later on. so, even if we paid $60 for the actual game, we won't know how it really ends unless we shell out some more money for it. they're famous for doing crap like this. in the DA series, shale was DLC. In ME3, Javik was DLC. Javik was $10. All we got was one mission and some stubborn prothean that had no knowledge of the crucible, and assisted in no way other than an average soldier. 

if they gave us some respect, they might recieve some in return. if they treat us like fools, they better have their blast shields up and ready for tomato-tossing.

1) Can't blame them

3) Nothing is decided yet. Waiting till PAX.

3) Not decided yet either. No evidence.

[Myrmedus]

Would be kinder if expected it to work. However, don't think it'll do much, therefore apply pressure.

[Actinguy1]

If the overwhelming feedback on this forum and others was: FANTASTIC GAME. Absolutely loved it. Little confused about the ending, but hey, whatevs. 10/10. Six thumbs up!

...well, would anybody learn anything from that?

[ReavousX]

Bioware should be pleased. When so many people feel so deeply about the endings like they do, they've done their job in regards to creating a story that the fans are connected to on a level not seen in many games. But, as we're learning, that's a double edged sword.

[Turtlicious]

Stanley Woo wrote...

This is just a reminder that, regardless of how you feel about the ME3 ending or BioWare, our Site Rules are still in effect. Like us or not, like Mass Effect 3 or not, there is never any call for swearing, disrespect towards our developers, or bashing of the company. Such behaviour is inappropriate for our community. We expect our community members to be able to disagree with us, our decisions, and our games with civility and maturity.

thank you.

In short QTFD people.

[Kyrick]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

This gets old.  Hey, if you were in a relationship for a while, going to get married, then the woman left you at the altar for your best friend, would you have kind things to say in the end?  Using your reasoning, since the other 99% of the relationship was peachy, then you'd be 'unfair' to be critical, right?

Or how about the doctor operating on you gets 99% of the operation done, but that last 1% of time is spent chopping off a hand.  Well hey, the rest of the surgery went spiffy, but you're telling me it would be 'unfair' to judge it a failure and to be critical of the doctor?

Understand:  the ending of the story affects the story as a whole.  Likewise, the experience at the end affects the experience as a whole.  This is discarding all of the interviews and statements that were made declaring that the ending would not be exactly what we've been given.

So no, people wanting an ending that is of comparable quality to the perceived quality of the rest of the game/series aren't asking too much or being 'unfair'.  They're expecting the company to follow through on what they promised.  They currently have not, thus anger and frustration abound.

[brgillespie]

The style of ending is fine. Hero sacrificing himself for the greater good: that's cool with me. My Dragon Age character did the same thing.

However, the space magic ending was dumb.

[Myrmedus]

I'm confused about the swearing rules.

Why do we have a swearing filter in place AND a swearing ban? Don't you usually have one or the other?

If I type swear words in my post they just come out as stars anyway O.o

[Chromie]

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone, the problems of the Witcher 2's story don't ****ing compare to the bull**** of Cerberus and the Catalyst, and don't you ****ing dare to compare them.

What compares to what depends on each and every individual's priorties. And why not compare them? Are those games sacrosanct? A feminist is more likely to be outraged at the sexist attitude presented in both Witcher games while I, a non feminist, don't care much about that.

CDPRojekt wanted the world to feel real. They succeed if a feminist can't handle that then they shouldn't play and obviously don't care how some of the more powerful people in the game are women.

Story wise Witcher 2 doesn't add bull**** and random elements in the story. The Wild Hunt which can be seen as the most otherworldly entity is given enough screentime for us to learn about it but the Starchild is just thrown in at the last minute. 

Frankly ME3's ending is like the Blade Runner's ending (the bad one) with Deckard driving in the country side. The whole film up to that point has been concerned with hero's with flaws and so to add happiness to the ending makes it too obvious. The shadyness of the real original ending (ie the one that ends outside the elevator) gives a final kick as the momementum is built up to create another plot line that can be constructed by the viewer as soon as the credits start rolling.

The same with ME3's ending it's too obvious Bioware was either trying to achieve "art" and some deeper meaning and it goes against everything Mass Effect was up to that point.

[Flextt]

It isn't a masterpiece because of the ending. It is an overall good game with a seriously flawed ending, both design- and content-wise. The ending could have been the icing of a tasty cake.
If Bioware doesn't act, for me ME will be the series "with that really bad ending"


edit: A buddy asked me about ME 3, because I liked to talk about how pumped I was about ME 3. I told him to stay put until April for PAX and Bioware's panel and then I would tell him my thoughts about their ideas.

Modifié par Flextt, 26 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Chromie]

Myrmedus wrote...

Also, I added to my post after you quoted it that CDP is working on some of the issues players raised with Act 3 of TW2 being too short. This is a good example to use when arguing for BW to fix ME3

4-6 hours of new content, 4 minutes of CGI going on, new intro and outro, bugfixes and more stuff for free. I really doubt EAware would allow that much content for free.

[Peete]

If we want an alternative ending we NEED to keep up the heat. If we allow them to relax we'll gwet nothing.

On principle, yes, we should be kinder. But then we'll get nothing.

Hold the line. Mass Effect deserves a better ending!

[goatman42]

After reading the Last Hours of Mass Effect 3, I feel bad for BioWare. They seem to try so hard to please everyone but they just can't do it

[Costin_Razvan]

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone, the problems of the Witcher 2's story don't ****ing compare to the bull**** of Cerberus and the Catalyst, and don't you ****ing dare to compare them.

What compares to what depends on each and every individual's priorties. And why not compare them? Are those games sacrosanct? A feminist is more likely to be outraged at the sexist attitude presented in both Witcher games while I, a non feminist, don't care much about that.

Cerberus.....them going "too far" isn't far fetched....the execution could have been better or more complex however.

The Catalyst is, IMHO, a hack job/missed opportunity.

Again, I like both games equally. ME3 outdid TW2 in several ways while there will always be certain matters where I don't expect the Witcher series to be outdone in years to come.

Because individial priorities matter jack **** to me. I told you and Knight the same thing: I class both TW2 and ME3 as equal, like you do. But there are many more flaws in ME3 then there are in TW2.