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[Jaysh]

Shepard deserves a better ending.

[PeaceMack]

I think the op has it backward. BioWare is just a corporation, and they delivered an incomplete/defective product. If anything, BioWare should apologize to its customers.

Here's a rough comparison. The other day I had to replace the flushing mechanism on my home toilets. I purchased the replacement parts, but when I got home, one of the parts that I couldn't see from the outside of the package was broken. Even though most of the replacement part(s) were fine, the one portion meant that it didn't work. In fact, 95% of the part was fine...it was just the "ending" that didn't work.

So, I took the bad part back to the store, and guess what happened? Yup, they apologized to me and made it right by providing a functional part. They didn't dismiss me as, "entitled", "spoiled", or a "brat". They didn't sit back and do nothing. They didn't give some vague PR statement suggesting that I was too dumb to understand the true meaning of their broken part. Since the part didn't work as advertised in their marketing material, they just fixed the situation. Easy.

In the real, working part of the economy, consumers are able to exercise their consumer rights this way all the time. The gaming world is that part that has it wrong.

[bazzag]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

dreaming_raithe wrote...

Most people I talk to will readily admit that the rest of the game is fantastic. We've been more than honest about that.

The ending is so abhorrent in part because it does a disservice to how great the game (and the trilogy, really) really is.

I agree. Our outcry over the ending is a testament to how captivating their games were. I have never seen a game generate this much emotional attachment.

Seconded

[Original_Dharq]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

The fact that the ending obliterated any replay value for me completely overshadows everything else that was great in the game.

It's not unfair to voice concern (in a civil manner) about a product with which you are unhappy. It's not unfair to ask for better from a studio that's proven they can deliver better in the past.

[blehblah123]

No..I don't believe the anti-enders are being un fair. Having a terrible ending is what I consider a critical flaw in a product. It doesn't matter how well designed the product is ... if it has one critical flaw.. it's just not good enough. Analogy time ... awesome car...with shoddy brakes ...doesn't matter how great the handling of the car is ..or how fast the 0-60 is...if you can't stop..sucks as a car.

[Raven4030-2]

Imagine if you will you had an awesome best friend. He told amazing stories in your down time, and the rest of the time took you out to go hang-gliding, mountain climbing, and other generally awesome activities.

Now imagine one day you walked in on him screwing your dog.

That's how I feel. No matter how absolutely awesome everything else is, the thing that sticks out the most is my Shepard getting screwed.

[blooregard]

I'm sure everyone would be alot nicer if bioware did the following


1) Never have lied to their fanbase about the ending.

2) If they ended up lying to their fanbase then they should come out and say "we're sorry"

3) When the SHTF they dealt with the problem directly instead of PR spinning everything trying to avoid the issue

4) Didn't break their universe and the physics behind it.


I agree some people are being unfair but to think they deserve to be loved for this is foolish. They angered thousands of people then expect to say a few vague things and everything will be ok. They deserve just about every ounce of anger that's getting thrown at them.


Personal attacks though aren't acceptable.

[crimzontearz]

lying is totally fair tho right??

[nevar00]

Absolutely not. We were lied to, simple as that.

I thought the rest of the game was mostly great, aside from the last level and a lot of relatively minor things (characters not appearing, bugs, fetch side quests, little dialogue options, etc) that could have been easily fixed if given more time, which just makes the play through even more frustrating to see that although it's still a great game, there's a lot of wasted potential.

[JPN17]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

There's really no reason to be kind to Bioware after the lies they fed us. Be genuine and civil yes. But kind? No.

[vigna]

You can be kind and critical without trolling.
It's called constructive criticism. Being kind doesn't make the issues or problems disappear. Constructively criticizing with a fair hand, and positive feedback is the answer.

[Rogue Unit]

crimzontearz wrote...

lying is totally fair tho right??

Yes, lying is totally fine. What isn't fine is us "entitled" gamers demanding what we were promised.

/sarcasm

[AntonioA9011]

Aesieru wrote...

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

They broke continuity everywhere, the ending just showed you where it was all located at.

Then they insulted their community in their defenses.

This is beyond unacceptable.

^^^^^^Basically this

[wright1978]

I've let other things about ME3 slide as i get the game was never going to be perfect. However the ending is such a big issue that i have to be honest about how truly appalling i find it to be. Being civil about that criticism is important too though.

[Aerevane]

Rogue Unit wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

lying is totally fair tho right??

Yes, lying is totally fine. What isn't fine is us "entitled" gamers demanding what we were promised.

/sarcasm

I agree, you people are ants compared to the Great Gods at BioWare. You are bacteria, vermin and overall scum. How dare you filthy heretics question the Holy Words spoken by the God Descended, Casey Hudson the Great! You will bow and you will not question, lest the Prophet Prof. Dr. Dr. Ray Mazyka (ML, MSc, MBA and MA (!)) will not listen to you!

Modifié par Aerevane, 26 mars 2012 - 03:51 .

[MattFini]

Not really.

If people aren't critical there's no hope for any of the mistakes to be fixed.

The game *was* good, but it - and the franchise - are severely crippled by a careless ending.

[Russalka]

It becomes unfair when it is taken too far, some people have done it, but not everyone.

[WarpedAcorn]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

The rest of ME3 is not a masterpiece...far from it. It has some very apparent cracks, holes, and dents in it that I personally did not see in the adrenaline-fanboy-fueled super run that was my initial playthrough. Going back through it on Insanity and achievement clean up really opens my eyes. The problem is that the endings are so bad that they have gotten all the attention, and not the rush bug-filled mediocrity that is the rest of the game.

Please note the game is decent, but not a masterpiece. Those awesome emotional scenes exist only because of characters/events in ME1 & 2. ME3 does nothing but cash in the proverbial chips earned through the previous episodes. On its own, its very weak.

[The Lightspeaker]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

Personally I believe that the reason that everyone is being so "unfair" (as you put it) is precisely BECAUSE of how incredibly emotionally invested in the game. And this is a testament to what they have achieved with Mass Effect.

I wrote a very long blog on this over the weekend detailing my thoughts and a bit of amateur psychology. I would encourage you to check it out if you haven't already:
“I think I’m in love…” – emotional attachment and the positive side of the extreme fan reaction 

[jbauck]

It's unfair to say that any specific individual involved with the ending is evil or incompetent or is descended from goats. It is fair to say that the ending is so painfully, wretchedly, horribly bad that all the wonderful things about ME3 seem like a pointless waste of time, and it sours the amazing experience of not just ME3, but the whole ME trilogy.

With the faint, overly-optimistic hope that BW might actually fix this, I tried a replay of ME3. I got as far as Palaven, and that's it - can't play past that.

[PNKSKRA]

The best thing we can hope for is that they build off what they had already created.

We know that it's going to be a stretch, but at this point there is little they can actually do to compensate for the endings.

I think the most we can do as fans is to just be supportive and constructive on what they can do to build off it, instead of bailing on them that they can't. The more we say that they can't build off their short handed ending, that will just discourage them to even try.

Again that's my perspective.

[Well]

blooregard wrote...

I'm sure everyone would be alot nicer if bioware did the following


1) Never have lied to their fanbase about the ending.

2) If they ended up lying to their fanbase then they should come out and say "we're sorry"

3) When the SHTF they dealt with the problem directly instead of PR spinning everything trying to avoid the issue

4) Didn't break their universe and the physics behind it.


I agree some people are being unfair but to think they deserve to be loved for this is foolish. They angered thousands of people then expect to say a few vague things and everything will be ok. They deserve just about every ounce of anger that's getting thrown at them.


Personal attacks though aren't acceptable.

This!I agree personal attacks are unacceptable.

[Clayless]

nhsknudsen wrote...

If you treat your child nicely up untill age 14 it still doesn't excuse killing it on its 15 birthday.

Ho ho, compared to killing your kids.

I thought the "raped your mother" analogy was the best one I was going to hear from the Retake movement but this is faaaar better.

[Phattee Buttz]

MaskofSkin wrote...

I'd be more understanding of Bioware if they, themselves, had not marketed the game dishonestly and specifically lied about the ending,

I'm directing all my anger towards EA. They're the ones pulling the strings .Their greedy little paw prints are all over this.

[pjotroos]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

Uh-huh. And you think we would get anywhere if we all just wrote "I thought the game was absolute masterpiece aside from this wee little issue at the end of the game when the plotholes, railroaded story and ridiculous deus ex machina crushed the universe, turned the story into nihillistic nonsense, killed the replayability value and made me feel genuinely depressed for longer than any game, movie or book should"?

People are so enraged because we care about their universe. Nobody would care if the story was horrible from start to finish. The very issue is they were so close to finishing the game perfectly. All they had to do is end the game at the point where crucible is connected to the citadel and then provide 16 varied outros based on our EMS and resolution of Tuchanka and Rannoch. Literally all they had to do is not fix what's not broken. Instead they decided to be devilishly clever with their higher power and laugh in our faces with rendering all the previous progress pointless. They deliberately made the rest of the tale irrelevant to the three choices the kid offers you. They made it possible to get exact same ending for someone who played full paragon for three games, someone who played full renegade, and someone who just bought part three, played the bare minimum and then got his rating up on iPad or in multiplayer.

In short, they played a long con. They kept the illusion that our choices matter for three games straight, up until the last moment. Then they pulled a downer ending out of their hat for no reason whatsoever (other than a publicity stunt, appearantly). And that's not something I'm gonna take kindly. Sorry.

Modifié par pjotroos, 26 mars 2012 - 04:06 .