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[Hendrik.III]

Unfair? If anyone has been treated unfairly, it's us. BW has been doing a lot of empty promises and does not elaborate on why. So, no.

[garf]

Phobius9 wrote...

We haven't experienced the ending of ME3 yet, just the penultimate chapter. Whatever DLC comes after ME3 will be the ending proper. Once that's done, people can judge the Mass Effect series for all it's worth, but drawing conclusions about anything at the moment is like complaining Frodo never made it to Mordor having only ever read the first two Lord of the Rings.

Then sorry. I was misled. I was told this was the concluding chapter of the epic trilogy. so to take your analogy this is like frodo getting to the base of mt. doom and Tolkien saying HAHA concluded in my new magazine which you will have to buy monthly!

[LdyBelial]

I am not being unfair to BioWare. I am NOT attacking BioWare either. I am demanding more from the game they sold because to be fair it isn't the game they told me it was going to be.

Also... I am not AT WAR with BioWare -- although, yes, I do Hold The Line. I stand with others who feel like I do -- and want more for our Beloved Series.

As it stands right now? Mass Effect is facing a future where it will be known as an EPIC FAIL. Is that what any of us want? Including BioWare? I don't think so.

Sure... right now there is plenty of critical acclaim. But that is already cracking -- check out IGN, PCWorld, etc. As more and more people weigh in there is plenty of grumbling about the end beginning to surface.

The END of ME3 will doom the entire series of otherwise awesome games. And that's what I fight against.

I think that is fair to BioWare. I know it's fair for me and the others I stand with. I know it's fair for the AWESOME SERIES of Mass Effect games.

Lan

P.S. Most of us want replayability -- as it stands? ME3 is unplayable with the ending and that ending haunts making playing either of the other two games just as difficult. BioWare would have gotten away with ME3 had they titled it something else and offered up a main character that wasn't Shepard. Unfortunately... that's not what happened.

Modifié par LdyBelial, 26 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[Ashilana]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...
I agree. Our outcry over the ending is a testament to how captivating their games were. I have never seen a game generate this much emotional attachment.

I actually disagree.  I think that the ending by itself is so abhorent that it would justify a strong negative response.

[Clayless]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

The whole "threatening people, trying to get people sacked, etc" is a ridiculous argument. A handful of people may well be doing that. The majority are doing nothing more than complaining, loudly but civilly.

Probably the funniest thing I've read out of all of those posts.

Just keep on screeching wildly at Bioware, you're the customer remember, and you're totally not overreacting too.

[wicked_being]

Unfair? Read the pre-release developer quotes then tell me who's being unfair.

[Alamar2078]

IMHO the endings were so bad that they are clouding other issues with the game that are also serious:

-- Lack of a branching storyline. Whether we do things like kill the Rachni or not they still come back. Whether we keep the Collector Base or not TIM still gets all the collector tech / reaper tech he needs. If we treated TIM well or poorly he's still acting against us.

-- The quest journal was worse than just awful

-- There was too much auto dialog and not enough times that we really get to say exactly what we want to say in the tone we want to say it in

Don't get me wrong there were TONS of great moments but IMHO ME3 isn't a 10/10 even if you remove the last 20 minutes. Maybe a low 9 but not even close to 10 territory. I'm not really confident all of the above will be fixed either so ME3 may just be stuck with a low 9 rating on the first 99% of the game.

[Stanley Woo]

This is just a reminder that, regardless of how you feel about the ME3 ending or BioWare, our Site Rules are still in effect. Like us or not, like Mass Effect 3 or not, there is never any call for swearing, disrespect towards our developers, or bashing of the company. Such behaviour is inappropriate for our community. We expect our community members to be able to disagree with us, our decisions, and our games with civility and maturity.

thank you.

[ahandsomeshark]

Alamar2078 wrote...

IMHO the endings were so bad that they are clouding other issues with the game that are also serious:

-- Lack of a branching storyline. Whether we do things like kill the Rachni or not they still come back. Whether we keep the Collector Base or not TIM still gets all the collector tech / reaper tech he needs. If we treated TIM well or poorly he's still acting against us.

-- The quest journal was worse than just awful

-- There was too much auto dialog and not enough times that we really get to say exactly what we want to say in the tone we want to say it in

Don't get me wrong there were TONS of great moments but IMHO ME3 isn't a 10/10 even if you remove the last 20 minutes. Maybe a low 9 but not even close to 10 territory. I'm not really confident all of the above will be fixed either so ME3 may just be stuck with a low 9 rating on the first 99% of the game.

this. As shipped I would give the game an 8/10. Is it better than most games I've played, of course, is it anywhere near what I was expecting as a follow up to ME1 and ME2, nope.

[MrCorvin]

mass effect 3 Ending=Midoclorians

[Kingofthebonggo]

I think it is fair for gamers to voice their discontent but the arguments that get made are ridiculous to me. Questioning the logic of the catalyst is the ENTIRE point of the ending. No ending scenario lets you say "you know what catalyst? you're totally right! let's just keep things going."

The logic of the catalyst was MEANT to be flawed, otherwise why would the Reapers be wrong and why would Shepard's journey mean so much. It's not that the catalyst reached an illogical decision about how best to preserve the growth of organic life, but that it ignored the hope an possiblity for synthetics and organics to co-exist. The a, b, c decision presented to gamers at the end allowed for them to decide how best to resolve the catalyst's flawed vision.

People who wanted a Disney ending have no merit in their arguments about Shepard deserving that, because ultimately the whole idea was for him to sacrifice HIMSELF. I mean come on people, his name was "Shepard," did people just decide to ignore the minor allegory to Jesus that they were trying to make about needing to be a martyr for the greater good of galactic civilization?

I ask all malcontents regarding the ending sequence this question: Was it easy for you to make the final choice about the future of the galaxy?

[SiriusXI]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

I dunno about you, but I've been promised 16 VASTLY different endings, depending on my choices in the game. So I preordered the game. Turned out that was a strait out lie. I woulden't have preordered it if I knew the truth, but how could I have known?

So no... I'm not sorry for them!

[FemmeShep]

rgretret wrote...

 In my opinion we should behave kinder towards Bioware, because they made a highly emotional game after all and just because the ending was disappointing for most of us, it doesn't mean that the rest of this masterpiece of a game was too.

This is true,

But the problem is, a lot of people feel lied to based on promises. Had BioWare never made promises, I don't think people would have much to stand on in their complaints. I mean, people would be really upset. I think regardless, they would have always been upset with that ending (because it's awful).

However, the harshness you see towards BioWare is a result of them feeling like they were promised something (advertised) and the end product didn't haev it. What you are seeing here is a mistrust of the consumer and the company.  That said, people should be aware of the rules on this board. It clearly says at the top, don't insult or attack personal members of the BioWare staff.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 26 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[LdyBelial]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Lightspeaker wrote...

The whole "threatening people, trying to get people sacked, etc" is a ridiculous argument. A handful of people may well be doing that. The majority are doing nothing more than complaining, loudly but civilly.

Probably the funniest thing I've read out of all of those posts.

Just keep on screeching wildly at Bioware, you're the customer remember, and you're totally not overreacting too.

LOL! 

Hmm, snarky response.  Let me guess -- you like the ending, yeah? 

To clarify -- if we don't tell them emphatically how much we don't like the end?  We don't get a resolution.  That's the way things work. Sure we can demand our money back instead.  That would be awesome for BioWare wouldn't it?  Losing tens of thousands of sales and never knowing why?   

Yeah...  that would be much nicer of us... (<-- sarcasm.)

[garf]

Red Dust wrote...

Bioware is not a person. Bioware is a company. A company that surrendered its face and relationship with the fans when it became a part of EA. There is no "kindness" with a company, there is only business. These days, the only people passionate about EA's product "Mass Effect" is the fans. It's nickles and dimes to to EA/Bioware. That's it and that's all. So that's the language the fans need to speak if there's to be any communication.

Speak with your wallet. Stop buying their product.

Done. See my sig.

[garf]

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

I think it is fair for gamers to voice their discontent but the arguments that get made are ridiculous to me. Questioning the logic of the catalyst is the ENTIRE point of the ending. No ending scenario lets you say "you know what catalyst? you're totally right! let's just keep things going."

The logic of the catalyst was MEANT to be flawed, otherwise why would the Reapers be wrong and why would Shepard's journey mean so much. It's not that the catalyst reached an illogical decision about how best to preserve the growth of organic life, but that it ignored the hope an possiblity for synthetics and organics to co-exist. The a, b, c decision presented to gamers at the end allowed for them to decide how best to resolve the catalyst's flawed vision.

People who wanted a Disney ending have no merit in their arguments about Shepard deserving that, because ultimately the whole idea was for him to sacrifice HIMSELF. I mean come on people, his name was "Shepard," did people just decide to ignore the minor allegory to Jesus that they were trying to make about needing to be a martyr for the greater good of galactic civilization?

I ask all malcontents regarding the ending sequence this question: Was it easy for you to make the final choice about the future of the galaxy?

Sure... what's your favourite colour?

/thread.

[AntonioA9011]

Who is he referring to?

[LdyBelial]

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

I think it is fair for gamers to voice their discontent but the arguments that get made are ridiculous to me. Questioning the logic of the catalyst is the ENTIRE point of the ending. No ending scenario lets you say "you know what catalyst? you're totally right! let's just keep things going."

The logic of the catalyst was MEANT to be flawed, otherwise why would the Reapers be wrong and why would Shepard's journey mean so much. It's not that the catalyst reached an illogical decision about how best to preserve the growth of organic life, but that it ignored the hope an possiblity for synthetics and organics to co-exist. The a, b, c decision presented to gamers at the end allowed for them to decide how best to resolve the catalyst's flawed vision.

People who wanted a Disney ending have no merit in their arguments about Shepard deserving that, because ultimately the whole idea was for him to sacrifice HIMSELF. I mean come on people, his name was "Shepard," did people just decide to ignore the minor allegory to Jesus that they were trying to make about needing to be a martyr for the greater good of galactic civilization?

I ask all malcontents regarding the ending sequence this question: Was it easy for you to make the final choice about the future of the galaxy?

Wow...  you brought Christ into this...  Amazing.

Shepard = Christ in Mass Effect-verse.  I really have to use this!!!  I really do!

[FataliTensei]

Stanley Woo wrote...

This is just a reminder that, regardless of how you feel about the ME3 ending or BioWare, our Site Rules are still in effect. Like us or not, like Mass Effect 3 or not, there is never any call for swearing, disrespect towards our developers, or bashing of the company. Such behaviour is inappropriate for our community. We expect our community members to be able to disagree with us, our decisions, and our games with civility and maturity.

thank you.

So bashing = criticism?

[Kingofthebonggo]

LdyBelial wrote...

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

I think it is fair for gamers to voice their discontent but the arguments that get made are ridiculous to me. Questioning the logic of the catalyst is the ENTIRE point of the ending. No ending scenario lets you say "you know what catalyst? you're totally right! let's just keep things going."

The logic of the catalyst was MEANT to be flawed, otherwise why would the Reapers be wrong and why would Shepard's journey mean so much. It's not that the catalyst reached an illogical decision about how best to preserve the growth of organic life, but that it ignored the hope an possiblity for synthetics and organics to co-exist. The a, b, c decision presented to gamers at the end allowed for them to decide how best to resolve the catalyst's flawed vision.

People who wanted a Disney ending have no merit in their arguments about Shepard deserving that, because ultimately the whole idea was for him to sacrifice HIMSELF. I mean come on people, his name was "Shepard," did people just decide to ignore the minor allegory to Jesus that they were trying to make about needing to be a martyr for the greater good of galactic civilization?

I ask all malcontents regarding the ending sequence this question: Was it easy for you to make the final choice about the future of the galaxy?

Wow...  you brought Christ into this...  Amazing.

Shepard = Christ in Mass Effect-verse.  I really have to use this!!!  I really do!

If you don't see the analogy to Jesus you probably thought Neo was just some dude in the Matrix...

At least we can all agree that this series was better than the Matrix 

[Raven4030-2]

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

I think it is fair for gamers to voice their discontent but the arguments that get made are ridiculous to me. Questioning the logic of the catalyst is the ENTIRE point of the ending. No ending scenario lets you say "you know what catalyst? you're totally right! let's just keep things going."

The logic of the catalyst was MEANT to be flawed, otherwise why would the Reapers be wrong and why would Shepard's journey mean so much. It's not that the catalyst reached an illogical decision about how best to preserve the growth of organic life, but that it ignored the hope an possiblity for synthetics and organics to co-exist. The a, b, c decision presented to gamers at the end allowed for them to decide how best to resolve the catalyst's flawed vision.

People who wanted a Disney ending have no merit in their arguments about Shepard deserving that, because ultimately the whole idea was for him to sacrifice HIMSELF. I mean come on people, his name was "Shepard," did people just decide to ignore the minor allegory to Jesus that they were trying to make about needing to be a martyr for the greater good of galactic civilization?

I ask all malcontents regarding the ending sequence this question: Was it easy for you to make the final choice about the future of the galaxy?

Your argument is valid, but that doesn't mean I don't still find disappointment in the ending.

The most common fallacy I've seen made by people talking about the "deeper meaning" is that "if you get it you'll enjoy it". Well I do get it, and I still don't enjoy it, it's not satisfying, it's not what I paid for, and it's not why I play ME3.

However, for me the greatest crime of the ending wasn't killing Shepard, it wasn't the Starchild's faulty logic, it was that at the end of it all, it robbed me of all hope for the ME universe. I expected Shepard to die at the end, I had a feeling that he wouldn't be there to build a house on Rannoch for Tali, but I pressed on thinking "If I do this, maybe the survivors can at least have their Disney ending". What I get is "nope, all Mass Relays go boom, the living now envy the dead, and lots of speculation for everybody suckas".

[LdyBelial]

Kingofthebonggo wrote...

--snip--

If you don't see the analogy to Jesus you probably thought Neo was just some dude in the Matrix...

At least we can all agree that this series was better than the Matrix 

No, I didn't see...  Nor did I see it in the Matrix movie either...  My bad!  (NOT sarcastic!)

But yeah, I am with you...  ME3's end was better than the Matrix's....  LOL!  Thanks for putting that out there!!!

[Original_Dharq]

LdyBelial wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Lightspeaker wrote...

The whole "threatening people, trying to get people sacked, etc" is a ridiculous argument. A handful of people may well be doing that. The majority are doing nothing more than complaining, loudly but civilly.

Probably the funniest thing I've read out of all of those posts.

Just keep on screeching wildly at Bioware, you're the customer remember, and you're totally not overreacting too.

LOL! 

Hmm, snarky response.  Let me guess -- you like the ending, yeah? 

To clarify -- if we don't tell them emphatically how much we don't like the end?  We don't get a resolution.  That's the way things work. Sure we can demand our money back instead.  That would be awesome for BioWare wouldn't it?  Losing tens of thousands of sales and never knowing why?   

Yeah...  that would be much nicer of us... (<-- sarcasm.)

It's amazing how even after almost 4 decades of solid customer service studies the majority of people (and businesses) simply don't understand that customer complaints are valuable and customers who have concerns resolved are more loyal than those who never have problems or have their problems ignored.

I would venture to say that most of us are not saying "BW sucks" or "We want a happy ending, ponies and rainbows!". We're saying that Bioware has created better, more satisfying endings in previous titles. We're saying that the ending to ME3 is flawed. And we're trying desparately to get the company to listen to us because we don't want BW to fail.

But you know, whatever... it's easier for most people to label us "haters" or "a very vocal minority" than it is to take time to address our concerns and realize we want BW to succeed.

[StuartMarshall]

They nailed the game in almost every way besides the ending. That's what makes the poor ending all the more tragic but if they release a free DLC to offer alternatives (and allow us to go back to the Normandy afterwards so we can play future DLCs AFTER the Cerberus mission) then it will probably be the best game Bioware has ever made.

[Rune-Chan]

Some people are yes

But it isn't made easier by Bioware (or rather, the representatives) being unwilling to respond to the fans without resorting to PR double speak and making sure to say how many people love the game, either. It makes the less mature fans go all nerd-ragey and makes everybody else look like a bunch of spoilt kids (which apparently is a classic PR move).