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[Raging Nug]

I like Mass Effect 3. When I say that I like Mass Effect 3, I'm saying that despite the endings, the bugs, and the terrible public relations work between Bioware and the Bioware community, it's still a good game.

One of said bugs is an item/character/equipment re-lock glitch which, if stumbled upon, will cripple a player's willingness to play the game. Bioware have assured us that they're working on it, but after three weeks and very little word on their end, it can be hard for players to put their trust in them. Unfortuntately, people are still losing their items, and no form of compensation has been thus far suggested. We don't even know if compensation is possible.

Now, fortunately, a team of players discovered an easy-fix to the problem, and while it does not guarantee that players will get their items back, it works as a form of compensation, often giving up to 45 000 credits every two minutes with a well-coordinated team. People can take advantage of this glitch consistently, but abuse is not recommended. Used sparringly, it can increase your chances of earning rare gear or, if affected by the aforementionned bug, it can give you back the gear that was stolen from you.

Bioware has made it clear that cheating is a problem. I agree. Cheating hurts the game, and stops people from enjoying the multiplayer experience. However, I'm not sure we agree on what 'cheating' is. Now, to the casual observer, which of the above scenarios is more likely to become hurtful to the community? A glitch that allows people new and experienced alike to earn some easy credits, or a bug which debilitates and erases weeks of work?

Don't give in to the cheaters.

[Beatrix Tair]

Justifying cheating against an entirely separate bug DOESN'T hold up as legit.

Any & all cheaters should be at the very least docked -everything- from the point where suspicious activity began on their account. If they're persistent with their idiocy? Well, bans sound mighty tasty.

[Lambda Diamond]

How does cheating affect other players in a Co-op style game mode?

[Raging Nug]

I think that people are entitlted to what they've played for and earned. If someone lost their investments, and Bioware still hasn't even made it clear if it's possible for them to get their items back, then how is exploitation of the bug harmful? How could you even consider it to be cheating? The focus is on the restoration of credits, not the disruption of gameplay.

Now again, of the two, which do you think is more harmful?

[Raging Nug]

Lambda Diamond wrote...

How does cheating affect other players in a Co-op style game mode?

The bug I described doesn't. It's just an easy way to earn credits. Credits which, I point out, have been lost to many players and which nobody else seems to care about anyway.

[KiraTsukasa]

The relock bug has been fixed, except in very, extremely rare cases. The only thing taking time now is figuring out what everyone had when it was locked. A lot of people were affected by this and you can NOT expect them to fix it in five seconds.

[Raging Nug]

"A lot of people were affected by this and you can NOT expect them to fix it in five seconds."

Three weeks is longer than five seconds, Kira. How long should people be expected to wait? I know people who have given up on the multiplayer entirely because they lost their stuff and haven't gotten it back. The fact that they haven't even told us what they're doing makes patience difficult to come by.

[ElementL09]

Cheating doesn't effect other players. It doesn't. Unless a cheater is taking my credits or my xp, there not bothering me in the slightest.

[Shadowsword8]

Raging Nug wrote...

I think that people are entitlted to what they've played for and earned. If someone lost their investments, and Bioware still hasn't even made it clear if it's possible for them to get their items back, then how is exploitation of the bug harmful? How could you even consider it to be cheating? The focus is on the restoration of credits, not the disruption of gameplay.

Now again, of the two, which do you think is more harmful?

Do you take us for fools? You know perfectly that for each player that did lose some items (and even assuming Bioware never give them back), there will be thousands that will farm the bug until the get their ultra-rares maxed.

A thief doesn't go to court trying to justify his actions by claiming that he had a right to it, because he was once victim of thievery.

ElementL09 wrote...

Cheating doesn't effect other players.
It doesn't. Unless a cheater is taking my credits or my xp, there not
bothering me in the slightest.

That may not be your case, but some people like overcoming a challenge when they play, or contributing to the team effort. If one player cheat, whatever the other 3 do become worthless, meaningless.

Modifié par Shadowsword8, 26 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[Legato 0021]

I know of the 45k glitch.
I don't consider it cheating when players are losing their equipment and everything is random.
Cheating at something random is like cheating on a pole with a lamp. It doesn't really make sense and doesn't really harm anything or anyone.

All you get with the 45k every 4 minutes is a way to actually get what you want instead of playing months and months and not having something you wanted.

Anyway, banning or putting people using this glitch back could and probably will end up in lawsuits against Bioware. I admit to have doing this but I also have spent 40 dollars worth of mircosoft points into their random system. Resetting people that have also put money into the system would mean that you gave a player X item and then took away X item. It is the reason why when addressed that such happenings have taken place Bioware along with other online games that have a similiar feature do whatever they can to fix the problem.

Now would you rather someone give you 40 dollars and give them virtual items then take the virtual items away and risk them taking you to court and them earning their money back plus more?
Or would you rather just take the damn 40 dollars and say who cares about virtual items.

[OblivionDawn]

Cheating, I don't have much of a problem with. I don't waste my time cheating to get more benefits from an imaginary game, but I don't have a problem with it as long as it doesn't affect me.

Now leeching, that is unacceptable. You aren't going to join my lobby and sit at the LZ for the entire round so you can reap the benefits of our work.

[DravicPL]

ElementL09 wrote...

Cheating doesn't effect other players. It doesn't. Unless a cheater is taking my credits or my xp, there not bothering me in the slightest.

So, do you consider cheating to get free credtis ALL OUTSIDE of the game, I mean, without even playing a single map, without hurting other people, without playing with them whilst using aimbot/no reload/unlimited ammo/immortality more or less fair?

[Raging Nug]

Shadow, as ElementL09 pointed out, who is harmed? How does credit farming harm the community in any way, shape, or form? I'm simply suggesting that people have lost credits and have an easy way to get them back.

How does other people having better gear than you affect your enjoyment of the game in any way?

[shadowkinz]

Lambda Diamond wrote...

How does cheating affect other players in a Co-op style game mode?

they get more stuff than you, in clear violation of the principles of a marxist communist utopia...


no srsly tho..  it's not coop when u have 1 dude with 10 rockets, gels, etc... 1 manning an entire wave while u sit there pegging an atlas with your predator..

1 man team is not coop =P..

i still see your point, but mine is that it isn't coop anymore when 1 person is doing all the work b/c he hacked his way to having all this gear. 

Or all in all, it's just unfair that other players work for our stuff

*edit* just thought of something.. the funniest hack i've seen was in the demo.. some guy had a widow that never had to be reloaded.. he just fired over and over.. it was hilariously entertaining, but **** like that will get old quick

Modifié par shadowkinz, 26 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[DravicPL]

Shadowsword8 wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

I think that people are entitlted to what they've played for and earned. If someone lost their investments, and Bioware still hasn't even made it clear if it's possible for them to get their items back, then how is exploitation of the bug harmful? How could you even consider it to be cheating? The focus is on the restoration of credits, not the disruption of gameplay.

Now again, of the two, which do you think is more harmful?

Do you take us for fools? You know perfectly that for each player that did lose some items (and even assuming Bioware never give them back), there will be thousands that will farm the bug until the get their ultra-rares maxed.

A thief doesn't go to court trying to justify his actions by claiming that he had a right to it, because he was once victim of thievery.

OKI-DOKI, I am now answering to the bolded part.


Except that credits can't be stolen, because it is in-game currency which is unlimited in it's basics. If one steals 1.000 credits, other players don't lose anything, store doesn't lose anything, only BioWare loses at least one fool who would eventually buy BioWare points to get another +5 thermal clip packs, some equipement-boosters and 2 character cards because of bad luck.

[ZephyrAM]

What you're talking about isn't cheating, it's exploiting. They're two entirely different topics.

Cheaters are the ones that mod the files on their own system so that, when they host games, they're pretty much a god.

Those abusing whatever bug/glitch you're talking about for mass amounts of credits are exploiting an unintended problem in the game to their own benefit. In an MMO, it would be ban worthy, due to agreed upon ToS. Here? Harder to say.

Either way... you're not an idiot, you know it's wrong. Don't try to justify it just because you spent actual money on random, virtual items and got an even worse deal out of it then one could expect.

Modifié par ZephyrAM, 26 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[shadowkinz]

Legato 0021 wrote...

I know of the 45k glitch.
I don't consider it cheating when players are losing their equipment and everything is random.
Cheating at something random is like cheating on a pole with a lamp. It doesn't really make sense and doesn't really harm anything or anyone.

All you get with the 45k every 4 minutes is a way to actually get what you want instead of playing months and months and not having something you wanted.

Anyway, banning or putting people using this glitch back could and probably will end up in lawsuits against Bioware. I admit to have doing this but I also have spent 40 dollars worth of mircosoft points into their random system. Resetting people that have also put money into the system would mean that you gave a player X item and then took away X item. It is the reason why when addressed that such happenings have taken place Bioware along with other online games that have a similiar feature do whatever they can to fix the problem.

Now would you rather someone give you 40 dollars and give them virtual items then take the virtual items away and risk them taking you to court and them earning their money back plus more?
Or would you rather just take the damn 40 dollars and say who cares about virtual items.

How would you take someone to court for violating their terms of service that YOU AGREED TO.

[Raging Nug]

Response to Shadow's edit

"That may not be your case, but some people like overcoming a challenge when they play, or contributing to the team effort. If one player cheat, whatever the other 3 do become worthless, meaningless."

Not really the case. If you played with someone who had cheated, would you know it? Getting better gear does not make you a better player. Even if someone has five extra cobra missiles, if you're playing on Gold, that will only give you a minor boost - you'd still probably need to work with other people as a team. People can easily solo bronze right now as it is without cheating.

[Legato 0021]

shadowkinz wrote...

Lambda Diamond wrote...

How does cheating affect other players in a Co-op style game mode?

they get more stuff than you, in clear violation of the principles of a marxist communist utopia...


no srsly tho..  it's not coop when u have 1 dude with 10 rockets, gels, etc... 1 manning an entire wave while u sit there pegging an atlas with your predator..

1 man team is not coop =P..

i still see your point, but mine is that it isn't coop anymore when 1 person is doing all the work b/c he hacked his way to having all this gear. 

Or all in all, it's just unfair that other players work for our stuff

*edit* just thought of something.. the funniest hack i've seen was in the demo.. some guy had a widow that never had to be reloaded.. he just fired over and over.. it was hilariously entertaining, but **** like that will get old quick

I was at rank 470 before I knew about the glitch.
I did 10-12 legit Gold runs a day and invested all of it on spec packs that give random crap to you.
I do not approve of being such a high rank spending credits on 9-10 spec packs a day and only get character cards that you've already maxed skin tones for every character before you got to level 200.

If you want to talk about hard work for getting better equipment..... stop right there.
Because I HIGHLY doubt you are one of the 200 people higher than me on the leaderboard and you constantly see people lower than you at rank 100 and something with a maxed widow or a level 227 with a level 9 saber cause frankly I don't want to hear it.

[ZephyrAM]

Raging Nug wrote...

Response to Shadow's edit

"That may not be your case, but some people like overcoming a challenge when they play, or contributing to the team effort. If one player cheat, whatever the other 3 do become worthless, meaningless."

Not really the case. If you played with someone who had cheated, would you know it? Getting better gear does not make you a better player. Even if someone has five extra cobra missiles, if you're playing on Gold, that will only give you a minor boost - you'd still probably need to work with other people as a team. People can easily solo bronze right now as it is without cheating.

I don't think you understand what cheaters are capable of. Extra cobra missles is a laughable cheat and not worth mentioning here.

[Raging Nug]

... Legato... your rank doesn't impact how many credits you've earned, does it? I'm ranked about 138 right now because I don't promote my characters. All but two of them are level 20.

[Legato 0021]

shadowkinz wrote...

Legato 0021 wrote...

I know of the 45k glitch.
I don't consider it cheating when players are losing their equipment and everything is random.
Cheating at something random is like cheating on a pole with a lamp. It doesn't really make sense and doesn't really harm anything or anyone.

All you get with the 45k every 4 minutes is a way to actually get what you want instead of playing months and months and not having something you wanted.

Anyway, banning or putting people using this glitch back could and probably will end up in lawsuits against Bioware. I admit to have doing this but I also have spent 40 dollars worth of mircosoft points into their random system. Resetting people that have also put money into the system would mean that you gave a player X item and then took away X item. It is the reason why when addressed that such happenings have taken place Bioware along with other online games that have a similiar feature do whatever they can to fix the problem.

Now would you rather someone give you 40 dollars and give them virtual items then take the virtual items away and risk them taking you to court and them earning their money back plus more?
Or would you rather just take the damn 40 dollars and say who cares about virtual items.

How would you take someone to court for violating their terms of service that YOU AGREED TO.

I don't think you understand or even read the terms of agreement. Anyway cheating that results in resets or bans are people that have modified their xbox for personal gain. You can't really ban or reset someone for using a glitch to get ahead, no game up to this point in time has done such a thing and if you say otherwise, I suggest before you reply you find said player and said article and post it.

[Raging Nug]

ZephyrAM wrote...

I don't think you understand what cheaters are capable of. Extra cobra missles is a laughable cheat and not worth mentioning here.

The bug I explained in my first post details the cheat I'm refering to. If someone is going to do something that actually affects, changes, and impacts gameplay, then that's not what I'm talking about.

[Legato 0021]

Raging Nug wrote...

... Legato... your rank doesn't impact how many credits you've earned, does it? I'm ranked about 138 right now because I don't promote my characters. All but two of them are level 20.

It doesn't but it does show that you've most likely spent more time on the game.
When I see someone locked at rank 120 or 150. I know they promoted once and refuse to promote anyone else.
I was simply stating the point that when I am rank 500+ it shows how much time I've put in rather than someone rocking a 120.

[Lime The Dragon]

Beatrix Tair wrote...

Justifying cheating against an entirely separate bug DOESN'T hold up as legit.

Any & all cheaters should be at the very least docked -everything- from the point where suspicious activity began on their account. If they're persistent with their idiocy? Well, bans sound mighty tasty.