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[Raging Nug]

Lime, like I said to Beatrix

Raging Nug wrote...

I think that people are entitlted to what they've played for and earned. If someone lost their investments, and Bioware still hasn't even made it clear if it's possible for them to get their items back, then how is exploitation of the bug harmful? How could you even consider it to be cheating? The focus is on the restoration of credits, not the disruption of gameplay.

Now again, of the two, which do you think is more harmful?

[Melchiah109]

If you want to exploit, just make private rooms for it. Then you won't impact other people's games period. Punishment is up to Bioware, but as soon as you go public you do impact other people's games. Either they don't want to be part of it and leave to find another one, or they join in and you make another person start exploiting, or they don't notice and end up getting a lot more credits in their account than they should have.

I'm sorry, but you can try justifying exploiting however you want, it's still exploiting. Does losing your unlocks suck? Sure, my buddy is in that same boat, but the point of the game is playing it, not the rewards.

[Raging Nug]

Melchiah109 wrote...

I'm sorry, but you can try justifying exploiting however you want, it's still exploiting. Does losing your unlocks suck? Sure, my buddy is in that same boat, but the point of the game is playing it, not the rewards.

Fair enough, but is exploiting considered cheating? Is it harmful to the community/game? Is it unacceptable for someone to use it in order to get back the stuff they lost? I think these are the questions I'm trying to ask.

[Legato 0021]

Either way I sent up private messages to the Bioware mods on the forum the other day about the glitch and how it is done.
So hopefully this will be fixed within a short time and we can all go on and not have to worry about people farming credits.

[DravicPL]

Consider this:

there are QUITE a few COMPLETELY different ways people may cheat in multiplayer of Mass Effect 3.

You can cheat the game by simply adding the credits to your account and NOTHING else, really. Does it make such a cheater less "cheaty" than a cheater who tries (and is succesful at it -.-) to use immortality/impossibly high dps while playing with other players? I think YES.

[Blest HR]

ElementL09 wrote...

Cheating doesn't effect other players. Unless a cheater is taking my credits or my xp, there not bothering me in the slightest.

I totally agree cheating on this game isn't harmful. Inless it's some idiot jumping though the walls in the map so can't really get hit and leaving the rest of the team to have to do most of the work. As for the credit glitch you are referring to it's only allow's people to get the weapons easier. So the only way the credit glitch would harm some one is because alot of people care to much about what other people doing over just enjoying there game, which to be frank has always made me laugh at the sad people.

[Raging Nug]

Legato 0021 wrote...

Either way I sent up private messages to the Bioware mods on the forum the other day about the glitch and how it is done.
So hopefully this will be fixed within a short time and we can all go on and not have to worry about people farming credits.

... and how does that help? People can still lose everything they've earned, except now if the bug/exploit is patched, people have no way to get their things back except to spend more time playing the game.

I understand that the point of playing the game is to play it, and enjoy it, but if you got a Black Widow, lost it, and had an easy way to get it back, wouldn't you feel the least bit inclined to try and get it back?

[DravicPL]

Furthermore, because I didn't have a chance to see the cheater adding credits to his account, I don't really know about it. Does it make you feel bad because everytime you see a person in your lobby you ask yourself "did he cheat out that Widow X"?

Modifié par DravicPL, 26 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[Melchiah109]

Raging Nug wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

I'm sorry, but you can try justifying exploiting however you want, it's still exploiting. Does losing your unlocks suck? Sure, my buddy is in that same boat, but the point of the game is playing it, not the rewards.

Fair enough, but is exploiting considered cheating? Is it harmful to the community/game? Is it unacceptable for someone to use it in order to get back the stuff they lost? I think these are the questions I'm trying to ask.

Personally, I think it is harmful to the community. If nothing happens to the exploiters then that's all people will do and degrade the quality of gameplay. If something does happen to them, then we lose potential players that might otherwise make good team mates. In public, using the exploit could put more money into someone's bank that wasn't using it due to the way rewards are given at the end of a round. This could flag the bystander as a potiential cheater by Bioware in the event that they do take action.

As for what is actually acceptable or not, I can't answer that. I would assume the answer is no from my MMO background, but that's up to Bioware to decide.

[Legato 0021]

Raging Nug wrote...

Legato 0021 wrote...

Either way I sent up private messages to the Bioware mods on the forum the other day about the glitch and how it is done.
So hopefully this will be fixed within a short time and we can all go on and not have to worry about people farming credits.

... and how does that help? People can still lose everything they've earned, except now if the bug/exploit is patched, people have no way to get their things back except to spend more time playing the game.

I understand that the point of playing the game is to play it, and enjoy it, but if you got a Black Widow, lost it, and had an easy way to get it back, wouldn't you feel the least bit inclined to try and get it back?

If you lose anything from your equipment due to a bug, you put in a ticket and report the problem to Bioware.
Bioware already stated that they are trying to help people get their stuff back a while ago.

[Raging Nug]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Personally, I think it is harmful to the community. If nothing happens to the exploiters then that's all people will do and degrade the quality of gameplay. If something does happen to them, then we lose potential players that might otherwise make good team mates. In public, using the exploit could put more money into someone's bank that wasn't using it due to the way rewards are given at the end of a round. This could flag the bystander as a potiential cheater by Bioware in the event that they do take action.

Just responding to the bits I put in bold.


I don't think the quality of gameplay is dependent on what people have bought with their credits. The Black Widow is a great weapon, but if you're playing on Gold, like many of us are now starting to, it will only get you so far. If you're only playing on Bronze anyway, then you're already on a difficulty that you could solo with a level 20 character.

As for a bystander being affected, that's entirely dependent on how Bioware decides to handle the issue, if they ever do. Like I pointed out in my OP, the character/item re-lock is still a problem, and people still don't have their items back.

If they decide to fix the exploit 'before' they deal with giving people their items/credits back... well, I'm going to cancel my pre-order.

Edit:

Legato 0021 wrote...

If you lose anything from your equipment due to a bug, you put in a ticket and report the problem to Bioware.
Bioware already stated that they are trying to help people get their stuff back a while ago.

 

But like I pointed out in my OP, we're now sitting on three weeks and nothing's been done. They're absolutely silent on the issue, and as a customer/consumer, I don't feel as though I can trust that they'll get it done.

Modifié par Raging Nug, 26 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[Legato 0021]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

I'm sorry, but you can try justifying exploiting however you want, it's still exploiting. Does losing your unlocks suck? Sure, my buddy is in that same boat, but the point of the game is playing it, not the rewards.

Fair enough, but is exploiting considered cheating? Is it harmful to the community/game? Is it unacceptable for someone to use it in order to get back the stuff they lost? I think these are the questions I'm trying to ask.

Personally, I think it is harmful to the community. If nothing happens to the exploiters then that's all people will do and degrade the quality of gameplay. If something does happen to them, then we lose potential players that might otherwise make good team mates. In public, using the exploit could put more money into someone's bank that wasn't using it due to the way rewards are given at the end of a round. This could flag the bystander as a potiential cheater by Bioware in the event that they do take action.

As for what is actually acceptable or not, I can't answer that. I would assume the answer is no from my MMO background, but that's up to Bioware to decide.

Something tells me you are just saying all of this because you yourself do not know the glitch.
But actually, it does not hurt ANYONE other than the people doing the bug.
In reality the people doing the bug will max out most of their stuff and will have no real reason to want to play anymore.
It doesn't hurt the community at all by cluttering the field with people who have maxed out stuff.
If you think about the mechanics its simple. Team A kills Enemy X on Map 1. Team A extracted after killing Enemy X on Map 1, full extracted. All players got same money, same experience.

Now tell me..... how does it ruin your fun when someone with a level 2 plasma shotgun has top score by 10k.
Cause honestly.... I've been a 1 man army (meaning I've only played maybe 6 matches where I wasn't top score) since the launch of the game and just because I am rank 574 with a ton of really good weapons.... it does not affect how the YOUR gameplay is any different.

Modifié par Legato 0021, 26 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[ZephyrAM]

Raging Nug wrote...

Legato 0021 wrote...

Either way I sent up private messages to the Bioware mods on the forum the other day about the glitch and how it is done.
So hopefully this will be fixed within a short time and we can all go on and not have to worry about people farming credits.

... and how does that help? People can still lose everything they've earned, except now if the bug/exploit is patched, people have no way to get their things back except to spend more time playing the game.

I understand that the point of playing the game is to play it, and enjoy it, but if you got a Black Widow, lost it, and had an easy way to get it back, wouldn't you feel the least bit inclined to try and get it back?

This is why rules and laws 'exist'. Because yes, especially when the effect on others is minimal, or appears so, our base nature dictates that we look out for ourself, and to hell with anything else.

They're not going to OK or leave an exploit in the game that completely undermines the entire system. And justifying the use of said exploit by complaining that you've been wronged by the system just doesn't work. Why not just go rob a bank because you got charged fees you don't agree with?

Because you aren't allowed to.

[Raging Nug]

ZephyrAM wrote...

This is why rules and laws 'exist'. Because yes, especially when the effect on others is minimal, or appears so, our base nature dictates that we look out for ourself, and to hell with anything else.

They're not going to OK or leave an exploit in the game that completely undermines the entire system. And justifying the use of said exploit by complaining that you've been wronged by the system just doesn't work. Why not just go rob a bank because you got charged fees you don't agree with?

Because you aren't allowed to.

Except that the credit exploit doesn't steal from other people. However, if I knew that a specific dumpster could spontaneously create ten dollars every few minutes, and the ten dollars didn't belong to anyone, would it be wrong to take it? Would taking it harm anyone? Is there anyone in the world who would be harmed by my taking the ten dollars?

Edit: Let's also suppose that I've just been robbed twenty dollars. That ten doesn't give me back what I lost, but it could help, and like I said, I can't imagine it would harm anyone.

Modifié par Raging Nug, 26 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[A Wild Snorlax]

I haven't done the credit exploit myself but I can't blame people for doing it with the way the unlock system works. Just now i had 2 games disconnect randomly on wave 9 and 10 on gold, not that it would have mattered because I probably would have gotten character cards for my unlocks. Stuff like that makes glitching for credits seem tempting though...

[N3xium_Crash]

This entire thread helps nobody. All it is doing is drawing attention to this ability and drawing attention away from the initial glitch that started this thing. It is crap like this and people who post it on youtube thinking they will get some sort of fame from discovery that leads to things like what happened when the Infiltrator got downgraded and Geth got upgraded. Geez

[Melchiah109]

Legato 0021 wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

I'm sorry, but you can try justifying exploiting however you want, it's still exploiting. Does losing your unlocks suck? Sure, my buddy is in that same boat, but the point of the game is playing it, not the rewards.

Fair enough, but is exploiting considered cheating? Is it harmful to the community/game? Is it unacceptable for someone to use it in order to get back the stuff they lost? I think these are the questions I'm trying to ask.

Personally, I think it is harmful to the community. If nothing happens to the exploiters then that's all people will do and degrade the quality of gameplay. If something does happen to them, then we lose potential players that might otherwise make good team mates. In public, using the exploit could put more money into someone's bank that wasn't using it due to the way rewards are given at the end of a round. This could flag the bystander as a potiential cheater by Bioware in the event that they do take action.

As for what is actually acceptable or not, I can't answer that. I would assume the answer is no from my MMO background, but that's up to Bioware to decide.

Something tells me you are just saying all of this because you yourself do not know the glitch.
But actually, it does not hurt ANYONE other than the people doing the bug.
In reality the people doing the bug will max out most of their stuff and will have no real reason to want to play anymore.
It doesn't hurt the community at all by cluttering the field with people who have maxed out stuff.
If you think about the mechanics its simple. Team A kills Enemy X on Map 1. Team A extracted after killing Enemy X on Map 1, full extracted. All players got same money, same experience.

Now tell me..... how does it ruin your fun when someone with a level 2 plasma shotgun has top score by 10k.
Cause honestly.... I've been a 1 man army (meaning I've only played maybe 6 matches where I wasn't top score) since the launch of the game and just because I am rank 574 with a ton of really good weapons.... it does not affect how the YOUR gameplay is any different.

You're right. I don't, nor do I plan to know it. People talk about it being used it lobbies which means that it falls under the reward mechanics. Everyone gets the same amount of XP/Credits at the end of the round. Which means that a person who did NOT exploit now has exploited money. If you don't think that impacts their game, then I have nothing for you because you're obviously too clever for me.

 I never said anything about having maxxed out items, I said it degrades the gameplay. If people spend all their time exploiting instead of playing, then they're not spending time learning tactics to play the game properly. I could care less what level their sniper rifle is.

It ruins my fun when people seem to think that they can do whatever they want without consequences (seriously, when did people start thinking this?) and join MY games to start exploiting, AFK leeching, or straight up cheating with altered files for things like semi-auto Widows with unlimited ammo. If you want to cheat keep the stuff private. 

Modifié par Melchiah109, 26 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[Legato 0021]

N3xium_Crash wrote...

This entire thread helps nobody. All it is doing is drawing attention to this ability and drawing attention away from the initial glitch that started this thing. It is crap like this and people who post it on youtube thinking they will get some sort of fame from discovery that leads to things like what happened when the Infiltrator got downgraded and Geth got upgraded. Geez

That is retard logic....
This thread and people posting vids on youtube about how to do glitches.....
Does not lead to things like infiltrator getting downgraded and geth getting upgraded.
Cause if you are refering to how people farmed Geth with Quari infs...... then you are just dumb cause that was never a glitch in the first place.

[Raging Nug]

N3xium_Crash wrote...

All it is doing is drawing attention to this ability and drawing attention away from the initial glitch that started this thing.

... derp?

I understand you're not a happy camper. Your private message made that perfectly clear. However I think you need to articulate what you specifically feel that this thread is detracting from.

As I pointed out to you, Bioware already knew about the exploit. I'm simply arguing that they should have other priorities than an exploit that gives people credits.

[Chromie]

Lambda Diamond wrote...

How does cheating affect other players in a Co-op style game mode?

Because EA bans anyone involved. There was a cheat/hack that would allow people to get 1,000,000 credits and someone on here said they were banned when they recieved the credits.

[Legato 0021]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Legato 0021 wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

I'm sorry, but you can try justifying exploiting however you want, it's still exploiting. Does losing your unlocks suck? Sure, my buddy is in that same boat, but the point of the game is playing it, not the rewards.

Fair enough, but is exploiting considered cheating? Is it harmful to the community/game? Is it unacceptable for someone to use it in order to get back the stuff they lost? I think these are the questions I'm trying to ask.

Personally, I think it is harmful to the community. If nothing happens to the exploiters then that's all people will do and degrade the quality of gameplay. If something does happen to them, then we lose potential players that might otherwise make good team mates. In public, using the exploit could put more money into someone's bank that wasn't using it due to the way rewards are given at the end of a round. This could flag the bystander as a potiential cheater by Bioware in the event that they do take action.

As for what is actually acceptable or not, I can't answer that. I would assume the answer is no from my MMO background, but that's up to Bioware to decide.

Something tells me you are just saying all of this because you yourself do not know the glitch.
But actually, it does not hurt ANYONE other than the people doing the bug.
In reality the people doing the bug will max out most of their stuff and will have no real reason to want to play anymore.
It doesn't hurt the community at all by cluttering the field with people who have maxed out stuff.
If you think about the mechanics its simple. Team A kills Enemy X on Map 1. Team A extracted after killing Enemy X on Map 1, full extracted. All players got same money, same experience.

Now tell me..... how does it ruin your fun when someone with a level 2 plasma shotgun has top score by 10k.
Cause honestly.... I've been a 1 man army (meaning I've only played maybe 6 matches where I wasn't top score) since the launch of the game and just because I am rank 574 with a ton of really good weapons.... it does not affect how the YOUR gameplay is any different.

You're right. I don't, nor do I plan to know it. People talk about it being used it lobbies which means that it falls under the reward mechanics. Everyone gets the same amount of XP/Credits at the end of the round. Which means that a person who did NOT exploit now has exploited money. If you don't think that impacts their game, then I have nothing for you because you're obviously too clever for me.

 I never said anything about having maxxed out items, I said it degrades the gameplay. If people spend all their time exploiting instead of playing, then they're not spending time learning tactics to play the game properly. I could care less what level their sniper rifle is.

It ruins my fun when people seem to think that they can do whatever they want without consequences (seriously, when did people start thinking this?) and join MY games to start exploiting, AFK leeching, or straight up cheating with altered files for things like semi-auto Widows with unlimited ammo. If you want to cheat keep the stuff private. 

Okay, you do not know the mechanics of the glitch.... makes you unfit to keep arguing about this.
People who use this glitch in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!!!!! Affect others by joining their lobbies and playing the game the way it was inteded to.
The glitch ONLY!!!!
Affects people who are in the same lobby and all agree on doing the glitch and EVERYONE in the lobby needs to know what to do for it to work.
So your logic is flawed.

So me doing the glitch then joining a lobby to play the game does not grant them exploited money like you stated.

It does not degrade gameplay also for that matter since the game is more focused on skill than actual weapons and what level the weapons are at. It doesn't degrade the community when someone joins your game asking to do the glitch. You simply tell him no, he leaves and bam you can replace him there. Your logic is seriously flawed. Please start thinking before you start going on about how using a glitch ruins everyones gameplay or changes the community.

Even if someone has all weapons and using the glitch and never learns to play the game properly.... well there bronze is waiting for him... like I said it doesn't change your experience.... just his.

Modifié par Legato 0021, 26 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[Raging Nug]

Skelter192 wrote...

Lambda Diamond wrote...

How does cheating affect other players in a Co-op style game mode?

Because EA bans anyone involved. There was a cheat/hack that would allow people to get 1,000,000 credits and someone on here said they were banned when they recieved the credits.

... but then isn't that just saying that it hurts players because EA overreacts and doesn't take the time to find out who was actually responsible?

[Blest HR]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

I haven't done the credit exploit myself but I can't blame people for doing it with the way the unlock system works. Just now i had 2 games disconnect randomly on wave 9 and 10 on gold, not that it would have mattered because I probably would have gotten character cards for my unlocks. Stuff like that makes glitching for credits seem tempting though...

ye pretty much the same here all I get is chracter card so it make me tempted to do it since all i Need are the n7 weapons. They do relly need to fix not getting the charcters fter you unlocked them completely.

[N3xium_Crash]

Just because you think Bioware knows about this doesn't mean they are going to agree with you and the more you discuss this matter the more they may decide to shift priority and fix the credit farming glitch because it would allow some to get more credits faster than using microsoft points (which Bioware would be getting money from). If they fix the locking glitch exactly who is getting money from that? It isn't Bioware. You forget Bioware is still a company and they first have to look at how it can financially behoove them to do an action. Personally because you posted this thread I hope you two get your items locked just to prove the flaw in your poor logic.

Modifié par N3xium_Crash, 26 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Rivermann]

I'd hope doing an exploit on purpose several times over would get them banned.