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[Navasha]

If I end up joining a hacked game, I just drop out of it... If everyone followed this policy the cheaters would always end up playing alone.

[ZephyrAM]

Raging Nug wrote...

"Trying to justify an exploit to get around that system doesn't change the fact that it's an exploit, and the fact that you're using to circumvent the system."

I agree that using the exploit to get better gear is stupid, but using it to earn back what you've lost seems perfectly reasonable to me considering Bioware aren't really doing anything to satisfy the 45+ pages of people complaining about the item re-lock.

'Because two wrongs make a right.'




Edit: Let's throw a definition of 'exploit' in here as well...

1. to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc.), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends

Modifié par ZephyrAM, 26 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[Rivermann]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

Nothing they can do, from what I got told on mic about 2 minutes ago a lot of people are using the glitch for credits. Unless Sony/BW/EA are prepared to ban a significant chunk of the playerbase no punishment will be handed out.
I suspect they will fix the glitch in the next couple of weeks though.

I really hope you're wrong, a ban might be too harsh but a reset would suffice.

[N3xium_Crash]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

 I love reading about cheating in this game but have yet to see anyone do anything cheating wise outside of what BioWare has nerfed/buffed to "balance" the game (aka lets make the game harder so people will get irritated and spend actual cash for items they aren't even gaurenteed to get). So due explain what this cheating glitch is please?

No at the very least not in a forum thread. Best to request knowledge of that from other players in-game or in a PM. You can even find some examples on Youtube as mentioned before many like to boast about the stupidest of things.

[xtorma]

Raging Nug wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Cheating is wrong, no matter how you dress it up.

Cheating is wrong, but is this cheating? Why would what I've described be wrong?

If it isn't cheating then no problem. if you believe it is cheating, and you do it anyway,  then it is an issue with your character.

If you believe it's legit, then no real reason to post this anyway, you should have expected this kind of response when you typed out the thread title.

[samb]

This glitch is kind of pointless. I personally don't even consider it cheating. So what if you buy 20 spectre packs in 1 hour? The chances of you getting some you acutally want is remote. Yeah ANOTHER asari adept, it was great the first time I got it...... And plus the fact that there is no marketplace for these items, it's not like "cheaters" can ruin the (non-existant) market.
Does it really matter if one person using this trick to buy a bunch of random pack if there is no means of exchanging them? Not really. If there was an auction house like in MMOs or Forza 4, then yes, I'd say this "cheat" would need to go.

[Raging Nug]

xtorma wrote...
If it isn't cheating then no problem. if you believe it is cheating, and you do it anyway,  then it is an issue with your character.

If you believe it's legit, then no real reason to post this anyway, you should have expected this kind of response when you typed out the thread title.

My own view is simply that this is a way for players to earn back what they've lost. I know other people are going to disagree, but I've also noticed some people that agree. The point of this thread is to discuss and maybe develop consensus on the issue.

Regardless of what I believe, do you feel that this exploit in any way detracts from the gameplay? So far nobody has said 'yes'.

[N3xium_Crash]

xtorma wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Cheating is wrong, no matter how you dress it up.

Cheating is wrong, but is this cheating? Why would what I've described be wrong?

If it isn't cheating then no problem. if you believe it is cheating, and you do it anyway,  then it is an issue with your character.

If you believe it's legit, then no real reason to post this anyway, you should have expected this kind of response when you typed out the thread title.

He prefers to think everyone thinks like he does so that is why he created this thread. He was intending for it to be an echo-chamber but of course not all of the "assembly" was included.

[xtorma]

Raging Nug wrote...

xtorma wrote...
If it isn't cheating then no problem. if you believe it is cheating, and you do it anyway,  then it is an issue with your character.

If you believe it's legit, then no real reason to post this anyway, you should have expected this kind of response when you typed out the thread title.

My own view is simply that this is a way for players to earn back what they've lost. I know other people are going to disagree, but I've also noticed some people that agree. The point of this thread is to discuss and maybe develop consensus on the issue.

Regardless of what I believe, do you feel that this exploit in any way detracts from the gameplay? So far nobody has said 'yes'.

Wasn't the point , but the answer to that is no. Just like when someone cheats on an exam , it does not change the quality of my personal education.

[Raging Nug]

N3xium_Crash wrote...
He prefers to think everyone thinks like he does so that is why he created this thread. He was intending for it to be an echo-chamber but of course not all of the "assembly" was included.

Just because I don't think you have anything of merit to say doesn't mean I'm going to treat everyone else like they're devoid of intellectual worth.

You're upset that I'm bringing attention to the exploit, and you're afraid it's going to get fixed. That's what it sounded like in your personal message when you complained about me 'bringing attention' to the issue.

[Raging Nug]

xtorma wrote...
Wasn't the point , but the answer to that is no. Just like when someone cheats on an exam , it does not change the quality of my personal education.

This is a randomized reward system, not an evaluation. If we got better rewards based on performance, I'd be in complete and utter agreement with you.

We do not get rewards based on performance. The reward system is randomized, and you purchase packs with credits earned in-game. The exploit I refered to gives players credits faster. They are not free, and they still need to be earned - they're just earned faster.

[N3xium_Crash]

Raging Nug wrote...

N3xium_Crash wrote...
He prefers to think everyone thinks like he does so that is why he created this thread. He was intending for it to be an echo-chamber but of course not all of the "assembly" was included.

Just because I don't think you have anything of merit to say doesn't mean I'm going to treat everyone else like they're devoid of intellectual worth.

You're upset that I'm bringing attention to the exploit, and you're afraid it's going to get fixed. That's what it sounded like in your personal message when you complained about me 'bringing attention' to the issue.

Worried isn't the word I would use. I "know" your bringing attention and this will get patched up in no small part due to your actions and others doing the same. If you don't think it is "cheating" then why are you making an issue out of a non-issue or is that what you do for a living?


Edit: I should also add you are really not being completely honest in saying you don't treat others as if "they're devoid of intellectual worth" when someone points out the huge hole in your logic and you accuse them of being "pseudo-intellectual".

Modifié par N3xium_Crash, 26 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[wolfstanus]

I take a lot of you have not bothered to read TOS... I know it's a lost art.

Basically any form of cheating I a bannable offense. Glitching moding etc to alter gameplay in your favor is cheating weather you think it affects other players.

On the forums spreading ways to cheat is a ban able offense weather you think it's bad or not,

Y u no understand TOS? ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Modifié par wolfstanus, 26 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Raging Nug]

N3xium_Crash wrote...
Worried isn't the word I would use. I "know" your bringing attention and this will get patched up in no small part due to your actions and others doing the same. If you don't think it is "cheating" then why are you making an issue out of a non-issue or is that what you do for a living?

Like I told you already, Bioware have been made aware of the exploit. Repeatedly. I haven't mentioned it to them, and thus far no moderators have posted here. My prescence here isn't even a footnote in their records.

I'm simply pointing out that there are two problems with the multiplayer, and that one can help mend the other. It's a nice little balance. Players can lose all their items/credits, and then use the exploit to get other items/credits.

If you fix one but not the other, the game becomes unbalanced. Fix both and compensate the players who lost everything, and we're golden.

Edit:

wolfstanus wrote...
Basically any form of cheating I a bannable offense. Glitching moding etc to alter gameplay in your favor is cheating weather you think it affects other players. )

 

Would exploiting a bug be cheating? It's certainly not changing anything, or making the game easier/harder. Gameplay itself isn't even affected. 

Edit 2:

"I should also add you are really not being completely honest in saying you don't treat others as if "they're devoid of intellectual worth" when someone points out the huge hole in your logic and you accuse them of being "pseudo-intellectual". "

Others means 'not you'. You are complaining that the bug will be patched because of my thread.

Modifié par Raging Nug, 26 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[Raging Nug]

Double post

Modifié par Raging Nug, 26 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[marshalleck]

Raging Nug wrote...

xtorma wrote...
If it isn't cheating then no problem. if you believe it is cheating, and you do it anyway,  then it is an issue with your character.

If you believe it's legit, then no real reason to post this anyway, you should have expected this kind of response when you typed out the thread title.

My own view is simply that this is a way for players to earn back what they've lost. 

Exploiting credits out of thin air isn't "earning" anything. It's exploiting a bug for personal gain. That you lost items earlier doesn't justify exploiting a bug in the game. Whether there is a "victim" or not doesn't matter. 

[xtorma]

Raging Nug wrote...

xtorma wrote...
Wasn't the point , but the answer to that is no. Just like when someone cheats on an exam , it does not change the quality of my personal education.

This is a randomized reward system, not an evaluation. If we got better rewards based on performance, I'd be in complete and utter agreement with you.

We do not get rewards based on performance. The reward system is randomized, and you purchase packs with credits earned in-game. The exploit I refered to gives players credits faster. They are not free, and they still need to be earned - they're just earned faster.

the rewards come faster the better your performance.....bingo. If you exploit the game (your words, not mine) then you are gaining an edge others do not have who chose not to exploit.  Now if it is not an exploit, and just a game mechanic that is legit , but most people do not know about, then no problems. Cudo's to you for figuring it out.

If it is an exploit and adhears to that definition, then you are cheating, and that stains your character. No it does not effect my gameplay , but that isn't the issue.
 
I'll leave off here , as i am starting to sound preachy, but i have found in my very long and not always ethical life, that these things always come back to bite you in the ass.

[Raging Nug]

marshalleck wrote...
Exploiting credits out of thin air isn't "earning" anything. It's exploiting a bug for personal gain. That you lost items earlier doesn't justify exploiting a bug in the game. Whether there is a "victim" or not doesn't matter. 

I think it matters a great deal. If you lost all your items, and if Bioware remained silent on the matter for three weeks, would you not consider an alternative means to earning credits to get new items to replace what you lost? I don't feel as if anyone would be wronged by such an act, and Bioware certainly doesn't care - if they're not going to give people what they legitimately lost back, why take away what people got through this exploit? Furthermore, could they even distinguish between what someone earned or did not earn? I'm actually afraid that they're just going to start banning indiscriminately.

[marshalleck]

Raging Nug wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Exploiting credits out of thin air isn't "earning" anything. It's exploiting a bug for personal gain. That you lost items earlier doesn't justify exploiting a bug in the game. Whether there is a "victim" or not doesn't matter. 

I think it matters a great deal. If you lost all your items, and if Bioware remained silent on the matter for three weeks, would you not consider an alternative means to earning credits to get new items to replace what you lost? 

I *did* lose my items, and I still possess enough sense to realize that exploiting credits out of thin air by abusing a glitch to grant yourself credits by totally unintended means is cheating. 

And FYI, I do think Bioware's silence on the subject of restoration is precisely because they have no way of knowing who had what, and there is no way to restore accounts. Still doesn't mean I'm going to go exploiting and abusing glitches in the game. This is what's referred to by some people as "integrity" and "moral backbone."

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 mars 2012 - 09:12 .

[Raging Nug]

xtorma wrote...
the rewards come faster the better your performance.....bingo.

... but they don't. Bronze, Silver, and Gold all take an average of 15-22 minutes to complete. The difference is only in difficulty and the amount you earn. I can play on Gold with my team on any map, and I have, but it doesn't mean I get more money on Gold than they do, or than other players do.

[Ozzy57]

"Fair enough, but is exploiting considered cheating? Is it harmful to the community/game? Is it unacceptable for someone to use it in order to get back the stuff they lost? I think these are the questions I'm trying to ask."

Bernie "Madeoff" exploited old people and he got in trouble for it

[Ozzy57]

Raging Nug wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Exploiting credits out of thin air isn't "earning" anything. It's exploiting a bug for personal gain. That you lost items earlier doesn't justify exploiting a bug in the game. Whether there is a "victim" or not doesn't matter. 

I think it matters a great deal. If you lost all your items, and if Bioware remained silent on the matter for three weeks, would you not consider an alternative means to earning credits to get new items to replace what you lost? I don't feel as if anyone would be wronged by such an act, and Bioware certainly doesn't care - if they're not going to give people what they legitimately lost back, why take away what people got through this exploit? Furthermore, could they even distinguish between what someone earned or did not earn? I'm actually afraid that they're just going to start banning indiscriminately.

you can't rob someone because someone else stole from you. and yes you are robbing people of the enjoyment of playing the game they want to play not exploit

Modifié par Ozzy57, 26 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[BioTick]

Raging Nug wrote...
Regardless of what I believe, do you feel that this exploit in any way detracts from the gameplay? So far nobody has said 'yes'.

Then I shall oblige: YES!!!

In two weeks, when my Soldier feels underpowered because everyone else is packing a Widow X it most definitely will alter and detract my gameplay experience!

In four weeks, when BioWare decides to nerf more guns (because seemingly every living soul except me is running around with a Black Widow X anyway) it most definitely will be altering and detracting my gameplay experience!!

In six weeks, when I get booted from three out of every four lobbies because my gear is just not up to par with what the in-crowd is deeming to be to "bare minimum, nowadays", you can bet my sorry arse it will alter and detract my gameplay experience!!!

Am I taking it too far?

Maybe.

Am I still right about credit glitchers altering the outcome of my matches?

Yes.

Modifié par BioTick, 26 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[Raging Nug]

marshalleck wrote...
I *did* lose my items, and I still possess enough sense to realize that exploiting credits out of thin air by abusing a glitch to grant yourself credits by totally unintended means is cheating.

It's not a matter of sense, it's a matter of belief. What's 'cheating', and how does this exploit qualify as cheating? Does it affect the gameplay? Does it ruin the game for people who cheat? For those who don't cheat? I don't think it does.

And FYI, I do think Bioware's silence on the subject of restoration is precisely because they have no way of knowing who had what, and there is no way to restore accounts. Still doesn't mean I'm going to go exploiting and abusing glitches in the game. This is what's referred to by some people as "integrity" and "moral backbone."

If you think that allowing yourself to lose everything you had and not attempting to get it qualifies as 'integrity', then kudos, you have more integrity than those who use the exploit. Moreso if you lost everything. But I don't think other people are in any way obliged to operate under what you perceive as being morally just.

[Raging Nug]

BioTick wrote...

In two weeks, when my Soldier tries to join a lobby where everyone else is packing a Widow X it most definitely will alter and detract my gameplay experience!

I don't think your gameplay should be affected by what items or gear other people have. My friends have Widows IV-VII. I have a Widow II. Do you think that changes how I play the game, or how much I enjoy the game? Furthermore, if my friends all had Widow Xs, would that mean they were cheating? How would someone tell that they were or weren't?