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[FiGhTiNCoWBoY]

 Honestly without some new content getting introduced I can't imagine this multiplayer keeping everyone's interest for an extended period of time anyway.  There's only so much horde mode you can play before it becomes dull so even if bans do occur, most the implicated people will have probably moved to a different game by that point seeing as if you unlock everything through an exploit there's nothing to play towards.

[Raging Nug]

Kushana wrote...

Just a warning to all would-be 45k bug exploiters. Turning off feedback will not prevent EA and Bioware from figuring out who's who. Both N7 levels and credits are tracked server-side, and as a programmer I'm sure I could whip up a filter to find the exploiters in short order. So ask yourself whether you're comfortable losing your time, packs, or account as a possible downside to your farming.

If that were the case, why haven't people had their items/characters restored? Three weeks and no word makes me skeptical.

[Deucetipher]

Raging Nug wrote...

Deucetipher wrote...
Furthermore, let me suggest that my play experience is harmed by those who use the credit exploit. I have worked hard for my admittedly pathetic Carnifex VI. My relative value to a party is diminished as compared to someone who, via exploits, has a Carnifex X or Paladin IV. This problem is magnified for those who have spent actual money in the store.

Can you tell if someone got a Carnifex X legitimately or not? If someone has an N7 rank of 60 but maxed weapons, you can't honestly tell whether they got their items legitimately or not. For all you know they just don't like promoting their characters.

Sorry, I may have been unclear.  I was speaking purely in the abstract.  I will never know if the person in the lobby with X weapons has abused the glitch; however, I do know to a reasonable certainty that someone has done so.  I believe that is a fair statement.

Modifié par Deucetipher, 26 mars 2012 - 10:11 .

[GracefulChicken]

I know of this glitch. A friend of mine told me about it the other day. I personally wouldn't do it... especially if you've enabled the Feedback Data option. I imagine it's easy enough to spot huge spikes in credit gains over a few hours.

That said, I've always been someone who advocated gaining what you can if there's no direct victim. The only ones who really are effected are those who do it (positively or negatively depending outcome, I guess), and EA/Bioware who are profiting big-time already on micro-transactions (which this circumvents). It's like stealing from Walmart or something... it is illegal, but no employee is getting fired over a missing Snickers, the only potential victim is oneself, and that's just because of the system in place. It's essentially a victimless crime like smoking pot. That said, in this case I dont think it's worth it, but I wouldn't think of condemning someone who did it.
And no doubt this will get fixed soon. I can only imagine EA executives getting mad over losing $20...

[wolfstanus]

Raging Nug wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...
Are you really that dumb?

I'm pointing out that their silence on the issue is open to interpretation. For all you know, this 'is' a backdoor.

You are... 

[samb]

FiGhTiNCoWBoY wrote...

 Honestly without some new content getting introduced I can't imagine this multiplayer keeping everyone's interest for an extended period of time anyway.  There's only so much horde mode you can play before it becomes dull so even if bans do occur, most the implicated people will have probably moved to a different game by that point seeing as if you unlock everything through an exploit there's nothing to play towards.

Battlefield 3 is starting to look appealing again.  New maps on the way too.  But to be fair to BW, BF3's DLC updates slow.  If BW did release new content for MP within the next month, I could prevent others from jumping ship.

[FiGhTiNCoWBoY]

samb wrote...

FiGhTiNCoWBoY wrote...

 Honestly without some new content getting introduced I can't imagine this multiplayer keeping everyone's interest for an extended period of time anyway.  There's only so much horde mode you can play before it becomes dull so even if bans do occur, most the implicated people will have probably moved to a different game by that point seeing as if you unlock everything through an exploit there's nothing to play towards.

Battlefield 3 is starting to look appealing again.  New maps on the way too.  But to be fair to BW, BF3's DLC updates slow.  If BW did release new content for MP within the next month, I could prevent others from jumping ship.

I'm hoping for something, I've already jumped ship to Armored Core V for multiplayer and back to Skyrim for campaign for 90% of the time.  Only time I ever get on ME3 multiplayer now is when friends got a full group -1 ready to go.  Sadly ACV doesn't have decent forums so I still stay here and talk ME all day while it's slow at work.

[Raging Nug]

wolfstanus wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...
Are you really that dumb?

I'm pointing out that their silence on the issue is open to interpretation. For all you know, this 'is' a backdoor.

You are... 

I'm offering conjecture. If BW have said otherwise, or you can prove to me conclusively that this is not intentional, you have a case. Name-calling is a personal attack, and as you'll see above, there's a zero-tolerance policy in effect.

[RiouHotaru]

It's probably taking 3 weeks because they have to pin down -exactly- where the bug is occuring. Sure, we know that the in-game effect is relocking things we've unlocked. But where in the CODE is that taking place? Which line of programming is accidentally causing the error?

That's probably why it's taking so damn long.

[Raging Nug]

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's probably taking 3 weeks because they have to pin down -exactly- where the bug is occuring. Sure, we know that the in-game effect is relocking things we've unlocked. But where in the CODE is that taking place? Which line of programming is accidentally causing the error?

That's probably why it's taking so damn long.

If that's the case, I wish they'd just say so.

[xxKenshin Himura]

Don't look now, but this guy is about to alter your gameplay experience. Who cares if he is in single player, let's ban him

[wolfstanus]

Raging Nug wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...
Are you really that dumb?

I'm pointing out that their silence on the issue is open to interpretation. For all you know, this 'is' a backdoor.

You are... 

I'm offering conjecture. If BW have said otherwise, or you can prove to me conclusively that this is not intentional, you have a case. Name-calling is a personal attack, and as you'll see above, there's a zero-tolerance policy in effect.

Intentional or not... Read the TOS  on the platform of your choosing. Cheating is not tolerated. On any platform. Have gains an advantage of some sort over others? Yes? Cheating then. There is no interpreting the tos. It's like interpreting laws it does not work.

Im sorry for calling you dumb but it is dumb to interpret the TOS

[Kushana]

Raging Nug wrote...

Kushana wrote...

Just a warning to all would-be 45k bug exploiters. Turning off feedback will not prevent EA and Bioware from figuring out who's who. Both N7 levels and credits are tracked server-side, and as a programmer I'm sure I could whip up a filter to find the exploiters in short order. So ask yourself whether you're comfortable losing your time, packs, or account as a possible downside to your farming.

If that were the case, why haven't people had their items/characters restored? Three weeks and no word makes me skeptical.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I was warning potential exploiters that I considered it likely that Bioware could detect their exploit even though they had shut off data collection. Detecting when a pack purchase has failed is way harder, as is making correct restitution.

[Raging Nug]

wolfstanus wrote...

Cheating is not tolerated. On any platform. Have gains an advantage of some sort over others? Yes? Cheating then. There is no interpreting the tos. It's like interpreting laws it does not work.

Im sorry for calling you dumb but it is dumb to interpret the TOS

Depends on what 'cheating' is. What I described is an exploitation bug - it doesn't give you an edge over any other players, and it doesn't make it so that a single player will suddenly outshine others. The exploitation in no way makes a player better than, or give an unfair advantage over other players.

I wouldn't need to interpret if Bioware came out and condemned this specific exploit as 'cheating'. If they have, I'm not aware of it, partly because they're really bad when it comes to communicating with customers.

No need to apologize, let's just stick to the arguments and keep in mind that being civil is in everyone's best interest.

[Drummernate]

In my opinion the credit glitchers are just little wussies who can't learn to play the game.

Gold only takes 20-35 minutes depending on the team. 72-75,000 credits is plenty enough for that amount of time.

Hate seeing a little 13 year old kid with a Black Widow X and Paladin X that keeps bragging when you know he got it by glitching.

My N7's are only level II, and I am proud to say that I have not used the glitch even once.

[Raging Nug]

I remember my first gold took almost an hour. We'd gone in to get to the Wave 3 objective. We did it, and then kept going to see how far we could make it. We were all laughing hysterically when we got Full Extraction.

Afterward it only took half an hour, maybe twenty minutes per. I agree that it's a lot of credits, but it 'does' require a lot of time and coordination with team members. It's not something you can easily do on your own.

[fixit6]

No matter what anyone says, my opinion is....cheaters and exploiters suck in ONLINE games.

Don't matter if its co-op or not.

Far to many awsome games wrecked by people with no morals.

[Battlepope190]

You're not entitled to anything. You lose your crap to a bug? Get over it and play again; don't become a cheating scum.

[Raging Nug]

Battlepope190 wrote...

You're not entitled to anything. You lose your crap to a bug? Get over it and play again; don't become a cheating scum.

Why would someone want to play it again and risk losing their stuff?

Edit:

On second thought, what's this business about not being entitled to anything? You're entitled to what you work for. If I play Bronze for twenty minutes and get 15k credits, I'm entitled to use those credits. If they disappear, I want them back - I earned them, and the system should recognize that.

Modifié par Raging Nug, 27 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Drummernate]

Raging Nug wrote...

Battlepope190 wrote...

You're not entitled to anything. You lose your crap to a bug? Get over it and play again; don't become a cheating scum.

Why would someone want to play it again and risk losing their stuff?

Edit:

On second thought, what's this business about not being entitled to anything? You're entitled to what you work for. If I play Bronze for twenty minutes and get 15k credits, I'm entitled to use those credits. If they disappear, I want them back - I earned them, and the system should recognize that.

Such is life.

If your house ever were to burn down would you resort to stealing stuff to get money to build it back?

Same general idea.

[Raging Nug]

Drummernate wrote...
Such is life.

If your house ever were to burn down would you resort to stealing stuff to get money to build it back?

Same general idea.

Except this isn't stealing, this is conjuring money out of nowhere. If someone did have their house burn down, and they could conjure up the money to pay to have it repaired, is there any reason that they shouldn't? Bear in mind that an economy doesn't really exist - this is a randomized reward system. If Person A has more credits than Person B, Person B isn't even implicitly aware of Person A's existence.

[FiGhTiNCoWBoY]

Battlepope190 wrote...

You're not entitled to anything. You lose your crap to a bug? Get over it and play again; don't become a cheating scum.

This seems like a biased opinion if I've ever seen one... Just because someone uses an exploit within a game doesn't mean they're scum.  In fact, a large part of the gaming community that uses exploits and/or mods does so because they've already played the game through legitly and reached the limit of what's considered "normal" play, especially in single player/team based games.

In something that's as a vs. type scenario, yes I agree that cheating and exploiting of any kind if lame and it's a sorry path for the player to use to win.  If someone is using an exploit in a team vs. environment game to help their team, I think it's a different story.  

Take Borderlands for example, modding weapons within that game was extremely easy and a huge part of that games community got involved in it, whether through creating their own weapons or by using those made by others. Even with all the DLC, Borderlands reached a point where me and my friends would just do boss runs over and over against the giant crawworm thing to get better loot.  After the 100th+ run, needless to say it begins to get monotomous and boring.  

Once you reach that point you think "Well, I can do 100+ more runs and have a CHANCE to find a better sniper rifle than the one I have now, or I can create one that's ideal for me and make the game more enjoyable."  I don't know about you, but I'd certainly choose the lather.

[FiGhTiNCoWBoY]

Drummernate wrote...

Such is life.

If your house ever were to burn down would you resort to stealing stuff to get money to build it back?

Same general idea.

If your house was to burn down you generally have this thing called homeowners insurance so no, you wouldn't have to steal stuff to get your money/stuff back.  You would be GIVEN money to get back the items that you lost.

[HolyAvenger]

Its cheating and I look down upon those people who engage it.

May as well type in IDDQD and get it over with .

[Tystra09]

Here is my take on this situation. We all know of the company Bethesda and how they even tell players to hack their game because of the ideas for their next game. Now I am not saying that this glitch is just, but at the same time why patch it? Why take it away? If people want to use the glitch, let them use it. It doesn't effect anyone but themselves. Its their own lose for doing the glitch and not playing the game properly. Now for some of you that say "It effects me because I play the entire thing and only get half of what they get" Well my apologies but that's you getting all mad over someone doing something that you could just as easily do. Myself? I like saying I have my weapons from playing and I don't care if people use the glitch. Think of it like this: If you have someone who glitched for a level 10 Black Widow and is good with it, by all means be on my team because at the end of the game, we all get the benefits of winning. So why get mad over a dumb glitch that people use. I say keep it and let players have a choice. Either way, its a great game with a great Campaign as well. Thank you Bioware ^^