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[Raging Nug]

HolyAvenger wrote...

May as well type in IDDQD and get it over with .

I generally like to think that exploiting a credit glitch is distinctly different from being invincible.

If someone is invincible, that affects gameplay and can ruin the experience for everyone.
Having more stuff than someone else doesn't change the experience for anyone.

If the core gameplay were in any way altered or affected, I'd agree with you 100%. The core gameplay is the same, so I think it's important to distinguish between the two.

[Tystra09]

Raging Nug wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

May as well type in IDDQD and get it over with .

I generally like to think that exploiting a credit glitch is distinctly different from being invincible.

If someone is invincible, that affects gameplay and can ruin the experience for everyone.
Having more stuff than someone else doesn't change the experience for anyone.

If the core gameplay were in any way altered or affected, I'd agree with you 100%. The core gameplay is the same, so I think it's important to distinguish between the two.

I have to agree with you on that one 100% 

[Phatose]

....If having more stuff doesn't actually affect the experience, why would you bother to cheat to get more credits to get more stuff?

Heck, if it doesn't actually affect it, why bother to have the system at all?

The answer should be plainly obvious - it does affect the experience. The only difference between it and IDDQD is one of magnitude.

Nor does the 'doesn't affect core gameplay' argument hold.  The cheat itself, if I understand correctly, is a 9-wave skip.  If reducing the length of a round by 90% isn't altering core gameplay, what is?

Modifié par Phatose, 27 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[Tystra09]

Phatose wrote...

....If having more stuff doesn't actually affect the experience, why would you bother to cheat to get more credits to get more stuff?

Heck, if it doesn't actually affect it, why bother to have the system at all?

The answer should be plainly obvious - it does affect the experience. The only difference between it and IDDQD is one of magnitude.

Nor does the 'doesn't affect core gameplay' argument hold.  The cheat itself, if I understand correctly, is a 9-wave skip.  If reducing the length of a round by 90% isn't altering core gameplay, what is?

Well there is a simple answer to your question. Why would you bother to get more credits to get more stuff? I could answer it for some but not for all. Some players who play campaign love having certain guns. Lets say someone prefers having like lets say a Mattock but they love it at level 7 like they have it in the Campaign. Some would get that gun and then go and play with their friends and not with randoms. I love playing with friends over playing with randoms. The length of the round doesn't really matter. Why get mad at someone who plays the game a different way when it has nothing to do with you? Just let it go and move on with how you play. 

[HolyAvenger]

Raging Nug wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

May as well type in IDDQD and get it over with .

I generally like to think that exploiting a credit glitch is distinctly different from being invincible.

If someone is invincible, that affects gameplay and can ruin the experience for everyone.
Having more stuff than someone else doesn't change the experience for anyone.

If the core gameplay were in any way altered or affected, I'd agree with you 100%. The core gameplay is the same, so I think it's important to distinguish between the two.

Does affect core gameplay if you're carrying level X guns, several more missiles and medigels and so forth. You haven't earned those rewards, you've cheated to get them. 

Its cheating, pure and simple. No better than going invincible. 

[Keldaurz]

Tystra09 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

....If having more stuff doesn't actually affect the experience, why would you bother to cheat to get more credits to get more stuff?

Heck, if it doesn't actually affect it, why bother to have the system at all?

The answer should be plainly obvious - it does affect the experience. The only difference between it and IDDQD is one of magnitude.

Nor does the 'doesn't affect core gameplay' argument hold.  The cheat itself, if I understand correctly, is a 9-wave skip.  If reducing the length of a round by 90% isn't altering core gameplay, what is?

Well there is a simple answer to your question. Why would you bother to get more credits to get more stuff? I could answer it for some but not for all. Some players who play campaign love having certain guns. Lets say someone prefers having like lets say a Mattock but they love it at level 7 like they have it in the Campaign. Some would get that gun and then go and play with their friends and not with randoms. I love playing with friends over playing with randoms. The length of the round doesn't really matter. Why get mad at someone who plays the game a different way when it has nothing to do with you? Just let it go and move on with how you play. 

Then work(play the game as intended) for it like everybody else.

[Tystra09]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

May as well type in IDDQD and get it over with .

I generally like to think that exploiting a credit glitch is distinctly different from being invincible.

If someone is invincible, that affects gameplay and can ruin the experience for everyone.
Having more stuff than someone else doesn't change the experience for anyone.

If the core gameplay were in any way altered or affected, I'd agree with you 100%. The core gameplay is the same, so I think it's important to distinguish between the two.

Does affect core gameplay if you're carrying level X guns, several more missiles and medigels and so forth. You haven't earned those rewards, you've cheated to get them. 

Its cheating, pure and simple. No better than going invincible. 

If this was PvP then yes I could agree. I hate people cheating in PvP. But again, in a game where you don't play against each other, all the exp goes to everyone, and your working together, why get mad over it? Just play on your own if it makes you mad. 

[Tystra09]

Keldaurz wrote...

Tystra09 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

....If having more stuff doesn't actually affect the experience, why would you bother to cheat to get more credits to get more stuff?

Heck, if it doesn't actually affect it, why bother to have the system at all?

The answer should be plainly obvious - it does affect the experience. The only difference between it and IDDQD is one of magnitude.

Nor does the 'doesn't affect core gameplay' argument hold.  The cheat itself, if I understand correctly, is a 9-wave skip.  If reducing the length of a round by 90% isn't altering core gameplay, what is?

Well there is a simple answer to your question. Why would you bother to get more credits to get more stuff? I could answer it for some but not for all. Some players who play campaign love having certain guns. Lets say someone prefers having like lets say a Mattock but they love it at level 7 like they have it in the Campaign. Some would get that gun and then go and play with their friends and not with randoms. I love playing with friends over playing with randoms. The length of the round doesn't really matter. Why get mad at someone who plays the game a different way when it has nothing to do with you? Just let it go and move on with how you play. 

Then work(play the game as intended) for it like everybody else.

Or just play it and let others play their own way. Its a personal choice for some players and though I don't do it myself, I personally don't care what they do because it doesn't effect me in the slightest. I go in, get my credits and exp, then go for another game. 

[Phatose]

.....Tystra, assume you're on the New York Yankees. One of your teammates is using steroids.

Are you OK with this?

[Tystra09]

Phatose wrote...

.....Tystra, assume you're on the New York Yankees. One of your teammates is using steroids.

Are you OK with this?

There is a big difference between Illegal Drugs and a Multiplayer Video game my friend lol 

And the Yankees suck XD

[HolyAvenger]

Tystra09 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

May as well type in IDDQD and get it over with .

I generally like to think that exploiting a credit glitch is distinctly different from being invincible.

If someone is invincible, that affects gameplay and can ruin the experience for everyone.
Having more stuff than someone else doesn't change the experience for anyone.

If the core gameplay were in any way altered or affected, I'd agree with you 100%. The core gameplay is the same, so I think it's important to distinguish between the two.

Does affect core gameplay if you're carrying level X guns, several more missiles and medigels and so forth. You haven't earned those rewards, you've cheated to get them. 

Its cheating, pure and simple. No better than going invincible. 

If this was PvP then yes I could agree. I hate people cheating in PvP. But again, in a game where you don't play against each other, all the exp goes to everyone, and your working together, why get mad over it? Just play on your own if it makes you mad. 

Because its unfair and frustrating to play alongside someone with these unearned rewards? I like playing co-op with people on the level, not those just cheating to give themselves all the best equipment. 

How is this so difficult to understand:?

[Phatose]

But are you OK with your teammates cheating in other games?

[Tystra09]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Tystra09 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

May as well type in IDDQD and get it over with .

I generally like to think that exploiting a credit glitch is distinctly different from being invincible.

If someone is invincible, that affects gameplay and can ruin the experience for everyone.
Having more stuff than someone else doesn't change the experience for anyone.

If the core gameplay were in any way altered or affected, I'd agree with you 100%. The core gameplay is the same, so I think it's important to distinguish between the two.

Does affect core gameplay if you're carrying level X guns, several more missiles and medigels and so forth. You haven't earned those rewards, you've cheated to get them. 

Its cheating, pure and simple. No better than going invincible. 

If this was PvP then yes I could agree. I hate people cheating in PvP. But again, in a game where you don't play against each other, all the exp goes to everyone, and your working together, why get mad over it? Just play on your own if it makes you mad. 

Because its unfair and frustrating to play alongside someone with these unearned rewards? I like playing co-op with people on the level, not those just cheating to give themselves all the best equipment. 

How is this so difficult to understand:?

Then play with your friends. Thats what I do. I play along side people I can play with, not randoms. How is that so difficult to understand <.<

[Tystra09]

Phatose wrote...

But are you OK with your teammates cheating in other games?

I personally don't care. So long as I get my exp and my credits and my level 356 is a okay =w=

[Talikurppa]

Sounds to me theres huge banning or at least reset incoming for some people, shouldnt be hard to track the speed people generated their credits by using this kind of glitch. But of course it might be that nothing happens. Then this would most likely eat away the value of the future DLC and bioware point system. But again theres always people with more free time on their hands, so if they want to unlock all they do it anyway.

[HolyAvenger]

Tystra09 wrote...

Then play with your friends. Thats what I do. I play along side people I can play with, not randoms. How is that so difficult to understand <.<

I play with my friends and in random lobbies. Its when cheaters are in random lobbies that concerns me. What you do in private games I don't give two hoots about. 

Why should I, as the non-cheater, be forced to avoid public lobbies? Anyone who cheats and is in a public lobby should get the banhammer dropped on them hard. 

[Tystra09]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Tystra09 wrote...

Then play with your friends. Thats what I do. I play along side people I can play with, not randoms. How is that so difficult to understand <.<

I play with my friends and in random lobbies. Its when cheaters are in random lobbies that concerns me. What you do in private games I don't give two hoots about. 

Why should I, as the non-cheater, be forced to avoid public lobbies? Anyone who cheats and is in a public lobby should get the banhammer dropped on them hard. 

That depends because I didn't know this cheat could be done with randoms. If thats the case and they are "forcing" you to do the glitch then leave and find another game. Now if they are doing it in a private game on their own time, then later they play a public game and actually "play" then whats the big deal? They do the glitch on their own time and not yours. Also, they bought the game with their own money, why should they play it your way? They bought it so they should play it their own way. Its not your game, not your problem. You play with randoms, thats your own call. But coming in here ranting about how people play the game their own way will not get them to play it different. Play with randoms but don't get mad if they have a better weapon then you. 

[FiGhTiNCoWBoY]

Lol... I think the funniest thing about this whole thread is that the core argument of the people against the exploit is that the exploit gives others an unfair advantage in obtaining gear. Now with that in mind, the general idea is that better gear = you do better or get a higher score.

Completely ignoring the fact that this is a co-op game environment so everything someone on the team does benefits you, you can effectively outplay someone with a Black Widow X by using a Human Sentinel, one of the basic unlocked classes, and simply spamming Warp/Throw for explosions.

Are you really going to harbor hate against someone because they have a weapon that's a higher level than you? I sure don't see the point considering the multiplayer is already ridiculously easy, whether you're using an N7 weapon that's upgraded or a basic weapon that's upgraded.

[Tystra09]

FiGhTiNCoWBoY wrote...

Lol... I think the funniest thing about this whole thread is that the core argument of the people against the exploit is that the exploit gives others an unfair advantage in obtaining gear. Now with that in mind, the general idea is that better gear = you do better or get a higher score.

Completely ignoring the fact that this is a co-op game environment so everything someone on the team does benefits you, you can effectively outplay someone with a Black Widow X by using a Human Sentinel, one of the basic unlocked classes, and simply spamming Warp/Throw for explosions.

Are you really going to harbor hate against someone because they have a weapon that's a higher level than you? I sure don't see the point considering the multiplayer is already ridiculously easy, whether you're using an N7 weapon that's upgraded or a basic weapon that's upgraded.

My point exactly. You have my respect

[Zzinged]

Tystra09 wrote...

 Now I am not saying that this glitch is just, but at the same time why patch it? Why take it away? If people want to use the glitch, let them use it. It doesn't effect anyone but themselves.

Because it's already in the EA ToS and I don't see them changing that. They key phrase here is bolded and underlined.

You may violate the Terms of Service if, as determined by EA in its sole discretion, you: 

- Use or distribute unauthorized "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software program or applications.
- Use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools.  
- Modify or attempt to modify any file or any other part of the EA Service that EA does not specifically authorize you to modify.
- Use and communicate exploits and/or cheats.
- Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing an EA Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide an EA Service for the enjoyment of all its users. 
- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game.   

[Tystra09]

Zzinged wrote...

Tystra09 wrote...

 Now I am not saying that this glitch is just, but at the same time why patch it? Why take it away? If people want to use the glitch, let them use it. It doesn't effect anyone but themselves.

Because it's already in the EA ToS and I don't see them changing that. They key phrase here is bolded and underlined.

You may violate the Terms of Service if, as determined by EA in its sole discretion, you: 

- Use or distribute unauthorized "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software program or applications.
- Use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools.  
- Modify or attempt to modify any file or any other part of the EA Service that EA does not specifically authorize you to modify.
- Use and communicate exploits and/or cheats.
- Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing an EA Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide an EA Service for the enjoyment of all its users. 
- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game.   

If that's true then why not just get rid of the bug and leave it that? Again, my point is still the same. I say leave it for them. Its not harming sales nor is it harming anyone in multiplayer. If it was PvP I would understand, but it doesn't. 

[samb]

FiGhTiNCoWBoY wrote...

Lol... I think the funniest thing about this whole thread is that the core argument of the people against the exploit is that the exploit gives others an unfair advantage in obtaining gear. Now with that in mind, the general idea is that better gear = you do better or get a higher score.

Completely ignoring the fact that this is a co-op game environment so everything someone on the team does benefits you, you can effectively outplay someone with a Black Widow X by using a Human Sentinel, one of the basic unlocked classes, and simply spamming Warp/Throw for explosions.

Are you really going to harbor hate against someone because they have a weapon that's a higher level than you? I sure don't see the point considering the multiplayer is already ridiculously easy, whether you're using an N7 weapon that's upgraded or a basic weapon that's upgraded.

Cowboy wins again.

I honestly just buy packs for the equipment (ie missiles, medigel, ops pack, ammo etc).  I have a Carnifex and that's basically all I need for the classes I favor (power spamming).  Sure I use my black widow for infiltrator and I wouldn't mind getting a palidin, but in the end I really don't see how me having an unused claymore is going to affect how you, or even I, play/enjoy the game.  I mean it's just sitting there, not doing anything. 

And as a team shouldn't we be encouraging our team to have better equipment?  One moment we are kicking people offf based on their equipment, the next we are complaining their equip is too good and ruining our experience.  Make your mind already.

[Zzinged]

Tystra09 wrote...


If that's true then why not just get rid of the bug and leave it that? Again, my point is still the same. I say leave it for them. Its not harming sales nor is it harming anyone in multiplayer. If it was PvP I would understand, but it doesn't. 

All the players might feel the same way, but unfortunately EA are the ones who decide whether or not to enforce the rules. Did you hear about this little incident?

News article here.

Modifié par Zzinged, 27 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[Tystra09]

Zzinged wrote...

Tystra09 wrote...


If that's true then why not just get rid of the bug and leave it that? Again, my point is still the same. I say leave it for them. Its not harming sales nor is it harming anyone in multiplayer. If it was PvP I would understand, but it doesn't. 

All the players might feel the same way, but unfortunately EA are the ones who decide whether or not to enforce the rules. Did you hear about this little incident?

News article here.

How does Star Wars equal Mass Effect? lol I understand EA is like that for Star Wars but take out a bug instead of keeping it there. Problem solved 

[samb]

Zzinged wrote...

Tystra09 wrote...


If that's true then why not just get rid of the bug and leave it that? Again, my point is still the same. I say leave it for them. Its not harming sales nor is it harming anyone in multiplayer. If it was PvP I would understand, but it doesn't. 

All the players might feel the same way, but unfortunately EA are the ones who decide whether or not to enforce the rules. Did you hear about this little incident?

News article here.

Oh BW will consider this glitch cheating, but not because it ruins the economy (one that doesn't exist in ME3) but because it hurts their bottom line.  If you can get credits easy wheather via legit means or via this glitch, it means you will be less likely to use real money to buy packs. 

A real economy consists of credits and goods exchanging hands, like in an auction house or marketplace.  That doesn't happen between players here.  If it did then I'd be much more upset about this glitch, because those using it have much more control over supply.  But that isn't the case.  My credits and my items just stay in my locker gathering virtual dust.

It never was a question of right or wrong, or if it affects gameplay (hint: it doesn't) but how it hurts BW's profits.  That's it.