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Here's a transcription of all the voices I could find for everyone wondering. It's located in an audio file called nordrm_talking_dead_a_D_Int. I will list who's voices I recognize.

A ton of them just whisper 'Shepard' so here's a list of that first. Also they are very very very hard to make out, so sorry that so many are not listed.

001 Unknown Female
002 Unknown Female
003 Kasumi
004 Kasumi
008 Sounds like Ash
009 Sounds like Ash
010 Unknown Female
011 Unknown Female
012 Unkown Female
013 Unknown Female
028 Unknown Female
029 Unknown Female
030 Mordin?
031 Mordin?
032 Unknown Male
033 Unknown Male
048 Wrex
051 Wrex again?
053 Unknown Male Garrus?
054 Garrus
055 Unknown Male drawn out and raspy
056 sounds like 055
068 Unknown Female
069 Unknown Female
076 Unknown Male
077 Unknown Male
078 Unknown Male
079 Unknown Male
093 Unknown ?
094 Unknown Male
097 Tali
098 Tali
106 Unknown Male
107 Thane?

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005 Unknown Female: It was nothing I couldn't handle
006 Unknown Female: I wanted you to have a normal life, marriage, children, things I could never have.
007 Unknown Female: *sob* Finish this, you promised me.
014 Unknown Female: Wars can be won or lost in the editing room, and this war needs to be won.
016 Ash : I don't know who you are, not since they got their hands on you.
017 Kasumi? : I always have time for you Commander.
018 Kelly Chambers: Under your leadership we can't fail.
019 Kelly Chambers: Please call me Kelly, it's such an honor to work under you Commander Shepard.
020 Kasumi: I'm the best theif in the business, not the most famous. Need to watch my step to keep it that way.
021 Miranda: I don't have what you do, that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into hell itself.
022 Miranda: I'm still human Shepard, I make mistakes like everyone else.
023 Miranda: It's just a fact. My reflexes, my strength, even my looks, they're all designed to give me an edge, no point in hiding from it.
024 Ash: Whatever you come up with you can count me in.
025 Ash: Now go back and get the lieutenant and get the hell out of here, you know it's the right choice LT
026 Ash: Screw that, I can hold them off. Go back and get Alenko, you know it's the right choice LT.
027 Ash: That won't happen, go get him commander I'll see you all when you get back.
034 Unknown Male? Salarian?: And somewhere deep in the fabric of reality that choice will be remembered for eternity.
035 Same as 034: Thank you Commander, somewhere deep in the fabric reality all actions are recorded and remembered.
036 Same as 034: All I've ever done my entire career is destroy the natural course of the universe.
037 Same as 034: Some souls die in battle, some die in their sleep, and some die for no reason at all.
038 Same as 034: With war on everyone's minds our people are on edge.
039 Mordin: Must counteract sabotage, stop me if you must.
040 Mordin: Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
041 Mordin: Shepard *inhale* excellent timing, good to have you here.
042 Mordin: No appologies, did what was right, hope you do the same if neccessary.
043 Mordin: Wanted you to know I'm willing to do what's neccessary.
044 Mordin: Personal interest negligable, sang a little, multispecies productions for cultural exploration, Gilbert and Sullivan, always had me do the patter songs.
045 Wrex: My people have a saying, seek the enemy of your enemy and you will find a friend.
046 Wrex: I know how this will end but I will not back down, I can't, face me in single combat Shepard, let me die with honor.
047 Wrex: One day there will be payback for all that my people have suffered. One of us will see that day.
049 Wrex: I know what you did...Shepard.
050 Wrex: I should have been this way back on Virmire, but I made the mistake of trusting you, believing you were my friend, I was a fool.
052 Wrex: We're curing the genophage no matter what it takes. Everything my people will ever be depends on it.
057 Eve: Your courage for my people will be remembered. *cough* You won't be alone in your fight.
058 Eve: You just spared our race another genocide commander.
059 Eve: Are you here to kill me?
060 Unknown Male Krogan?: You're picking that thing over us?
061 Grunt: Shepard is my battlemaster he has no match.
062 same as 061 change he to she
063 Grunt: I am Grunt if you are worthy of your command, prove your strenth, and try to destroy me.
064 Garrus: It's so much easier to see the world in black and white, grey, I don't know what do to with grey.
065 Garrus: I got fed up with all the beuracratic crap on the citadel, figured I could do more good on my own.
066 Garrus: I like to expect the worst, there's a small chance I'll be pleasently surprised.
067 Legion: Shepard Commander.
070 Chakwas: I understand, good luck Shepard. I hope we'll see each other again.
071 Chakwas: I watched them die. They were processed, rendered down into some raw genetic paste and pumped through these tubes.
072 Chakwas: I've lived a full life, no regrets. I'd like to see the crew gets the same opportunity.
073 Tali: If we don't think about the needs of the whole crew, people could get hurt, even killed.
074 Zaeed: Won't do any good, hell of a fight Shepard. Should have seen it *dies*
075 Zaeed: Looks like I was the only one to make it out alive.
080 Samara: I'm sorry Shepard. By the justicar's code, there's only one way to save Valair.
081 Samara: Farewell Shepard.
082 Samara: It has reminded me of what is truely important, why I swore I'd lay down my life.
083 Tali: I'm sorry.
084 Cortez?: Welcome aboard Shepard.
085 Cortez?: I just want to know, is the person I'd follow to hell and back still in there? somewhere?
086 Zaeed: I've survived this long watching my own back, no time to worry about anyone else.
087 Zaeed: Good get it out of the way so we can concentrate on being big ****** heroes.
088 Zaeed: You must be Commander Shepard, I hear we have a galaxy to save.
089 Kaiden: I've got a few scratches and dents, I hope they just give me character.
090 Kaiden: That won't happen commander, go get her, I'll see you all when you get back.
091 Kaiden: Belay that, we can handle ourselves, go back and get Williams, it's the right choice and you know it Ash.
092 Kaiden: It's done Commander. Go get Williams and get the **** out of here, it's the right choice and you know it Ash
095 Jacob: I'll march in to whatever hell you want, but not with a fake smile on my face, nothing positive about grinning like an idiot.
096 Jacob: I'ts a **** of a job isn't it Shepard? Being the good guys.
099 Tali: I beg you do not do this, please.
100 Tali: So much space, walls of stone, it's amazing. I wish my friends could see it. I wish Shepard were here.
101 Legion: Shepard Commander.
102 Legion: Does this unit have a soul?
103 Legion: Shepard Commander, the Geth only acted in defence after the creators attacked. Do we deserve death?
104 Legion: Shepard Commander, help us.
105 Legion: Shepard Commander, the Geth do not wish you harm. You are an ally against the heretics and old machines.
108 Thane: Kalihera, mistress of inscrutable depths. I ask forgiveness.
109 Thane: You are a great protector Siha but some things are beyond even you.
110 Thane: It seems there will be no one to mourn me when I die. You're the only friend I've made in 10 years.
111 Thane: Just don't make the same mistake I did, there's always another mission. None of them are an excuse to make yourself an island.

In addition the file wwise_norhub_dreams.afc has the music and sfx for the dream sequences so far the only ones I have discerened voices from are these.
001: Help me
002: definitely a voice but I can't tell what it's saying
003: also a voice, can't tell again

Edit: fixed a few screwups

Modifié par antiquechrono, 27 mars 2012 - 05:26 .


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So how come no one seems to be concentrating on the last dream sequence with the mirrored Shepard and the child as support of IT? An armored Shepard is running toward the child and then sees himself embracing the child out of armor. The mirrored out of armor Shepard then smiles along with the kid.

Could be symbolic. Just sayin'.

Modifié par kilgorek, 27 mars 2012 - 05:25 .


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Ingu wrote...

Here's four 30 second mp3 samples (since I didn't pay for the recording software :P). If you turn the sound right up, you will hear... 'something'. It's not very clear or persuasive, but perhaps we'll find something once people extract and analyse the actual sound files.

http://www.mediafire...2oagf892xayb481

http://www.mediafire...clp46v4hk7opkdn

http://www.mediafire...acsbp04way7liom

http://www.mediafire...whcolo0w671c8xf


And a wav file:
http://www.mediafire...f2oe7f42x2i9ej4


Im listening hard, but all of the files seem to have indistinquishable chatter. I dont hear the harbinger talking and I dont hear anything about killing or not trusting someone

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You get to hear every important person that died on your watch - depending on your choices, you get to hear more or less number of characters. In one playthrough I got to hear Ashely, than, Ashley and Mordin and Thane, and then all them plus Legion. In the other playthrough, it was Ashley, than Ashley, Mordin, Eve, Kelly Chambers, Thane and then Legion appeared too in the next dream. So each time another significant person dies you'll get to hear it in the dream, their quotes from the game itself - like for example, Eve - Are you here to kill me? Etc. I didn't notice any additional sentences implying anything to do with IT - all quotes I heard were already spoken from those characters during ME1, ME2 and ME3.

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kilgorek wrote...

So how come no one seems to be concentrating on the last dream sequence with the mirrored Shepard and the child as support of IT? An armored Shepard is running toward the child and then sees himself embracing the child out of armor. The mirrored out of armor Shepard then smiles along with the kid.

Could be symbolic. Just sayin'.


The final doesnt let you explore. It has a set duration and once the voices run out it automatically makes you run up to the child

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kilgorek wrote...

So how come no one seems to be concentrating on the last dream sequence with the mirrored Shepard and the child as support of IT? An armored Shepard is running toward the child and then sees himself embracing the child out of armor. The mirrored out of armor Shepard then smiles along with the kid.

Could be symbolic. Just sayin'.

And then they burn. Granted, all the dreams end like that, but could have symbolic meaning regardless. 

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antiquechrono wrote...

Here's a transcription of all the voices I could find for everyone wondering. It's located in an audio file called nordrm_talking_dead_a_D_Int. I will list who's voices I recognize.

A ton of them just whisper 'Shepard' so here's a list of that first. Also they are very very very hard to make out, so sorry that so many are not listed.

001 Unknown Female
002 Unknown Female
003 Kasumi
004 Kasumi
008 Sounds like Ash
009 Sounds like Ash
010 Unknown Female
011 Unknown Female
012 Unkown Female
013 Unknown Female
028 Unknown Female
029 Unknown Female
030 Mordin?
031 Mordin?
032 Unknown Male
033 Unknown Male
048 Wrex
051 Wrex again?
053 Unknown Male Garrus?
054 Garrus
055 Unknown Male drawn out and raspy
056 sounds like 055
068 Unknown Female
069 Unknown Female
076 Unknown Male
077 Unknown Male
078 Unknown Male
079 Unknown Male
093 Unknown ?
094 Unknown Male
097 Tali
098 Tali
106 Unknown Male
107 Thane?

===================
005 Unknown Female: It was nothing I couldn't handle
006 Unknown Female: I wanted you to have a normal life, marriage, children, things I could never have.
007 Unknown Female: *sob* Finish this, you promised me.
014 Unknown Female: Wars can be won or lost in the editing room, and this war needs to be won.
016 Ash : I don't know who you are, not since they got their hands on you.
017 Kasumi? : I always have time for you Commander.
018 Kelly Chambers: Under your leadership we can't fail.
019 Kelly Chambers: Please call me Kelly, it's such an honor to work under you Commander Shepard.
020 Kasumi: I'm the best theif in the business, not the most famous. Need to watch my step to keep it that way.
021 Miranda: I don't have what you do, that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into hell itself.
022 Miranda: I'm still human Shepard, I make mistakes like everyone else.
023 Miranda: It's just a fact. My reflexes, my strength, even my looks, they're all designed to give me an edge, no point in hiding from it.
024 Ash: Whatever you come up with you can count me in.
025 Ash: Now go back and get the lieutenant and get the hell out of here, you know it's the right choice LT
026 Ash: Screw that, I can hold them off. Go back and get Alenko, you know it's the right choice LT.
027 Ash: That won't happen, go get him commander I'll see you all when you get back.
034 Unknown Male? Salarian?: And somewhere deep in the fabric of reality that choice will be remembered for eternity.
035 Same as 034: Thank you Commander, somewhere deep in the fabric reality all actions are recorded and remembered.
036 Same as 034: All I've ever done my entire career is destroy the natural course of the universe.
037 Same as 034: Some souls die in battle, some die in their sleep, and some die for no reason at all.
038 Same as 034: With war on everyone's minds our people are on edge.
039 Mordin: Must counteract sabotage, stop me if you must.
040 Mordin: Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
041 Mordin: Shepard *inhale* excellent timing, good to have you here.
042 Mordin: No appologies, did what was right, hope you do the same if neccessary.
043 Mordin: Wanted you to know I'm willing to do what's neccessary.
044 Mordin: Personal interest negligable, sang a little, multispecies productions for cultural exploration, Gilbert and Sullivan, always had me do the patter songs.
045 Wrex: My people have a saying, seek the enemy of your enemy and you will find a friend.
046 Wrex: I know how this will end but I will not back down, I can't, face me in single combat Shepard, let me die with honor.
047 Wrex: One day there will be payback for all that my people have suffered. One of us will see that day.
049 Wrex: I know what you did...Shepard.
050 Wrex: I should have been this way back on Virmire, but I made the mistake of trusting you, believing you were my friend, I was a fool.
052 Wrex: We're curing the genophage no matter what it takes. Everything my people will ever be depends on it.
057 Eve: Your courage for my people will be remembered. *cough* You won't be alone in your fight.
058 Eve: You just spared our race another genocide commander.
059 Eve: Are you here to kill me?
060 Unknown Male Krogan?: You're picking that thing over us?
061 Grunt: Shepard is my battlemaster he has no match.
062 same as 061 change he to she
063 Grunt: I am Grunt if you are worthy of your command, prove your strenth, and try to destroy me.
064 Garrus: It's so much easier to see the world in black and white, grey, I don't know what do to with grey.
065 Garrus: I got fed up with all the beuracratic crap on the citadel, figured I could do more good on my own.
066 Garrus: I like to expect the worst, there's a small chance I'll be pleasently surprised.
067 Legion: Shepard Commander.
070 Chakwas: I understand, good luck Shepard. I hope we'll see each other again.
071 Chakwas: I watched them die. They were processed, rendered down into some raw genetic paste and pumped through these tubes.
072 Chakwas: I've lived a full life, no regrets. I'd like to see the crew gets the same opportunity.
073 Tali: If we don't think about the needs of the whole crew, people could get hurt, even killed.
074 Zaeed: Won't do any good, hell of a fight Shepard. Should have seen it *dies*
075 Zaeed: Looks like I was the only one to make it out alive.
080 Samara: I'm sorry Shepard. By the justicar's code, there's only one way to save Valair.
081 Samara: Farewell Shepard.
082 Samara: It has reminded me of what is truely important, why I swore I'd lay down my life.
083 Tali: I'm sorry.
084 Cortez?: Welcome aboard Shepard.
085 Cortez?: I just want to know, is the person I'd follow to hell and back still in there? somewhere?
086 Zaeed: I've survived this long watching my own back, no time to worry about anyone else.
087 Zaeed: Good get it out of the way so we can concentrate on being big ****** heroes.
088 Zaeed: You must be Commander Shepard, I hear we have a galaxy to save.
089 Kaiden: I've got a few scratches and dents, I hope they just give me character.
090 Kaiden: That won't happen commander, go get her, I'll see you all when you get back.
091 Kaiden: Belay that, we can handle ourselves, go back and get Williams, it's the right choice and you know it Ash.
092 Kaiden: It's done Commander. Go get Williams and get the **** out of here, it's the right choice and you know it Ash
095 Jacob: I'll march in to whatever hell you want, but not with a fake smile on my face, nothing positive about grinning like an idiot.
096 Jacob: I'ts a **** of a job isn't it Shepard? Being the good guys.
099 Tali: I beg you do not do this, please.
100 Tali: So much space, walls of stone, it's amazing. I wish my friends could see it. I wish Shepard were here.
101 Legion: Shepard Commander.
102 Legion: Does this unit have a soul?
103 Legion: Shepard Commander, the Geth only acted in defence after the creators attacked. Do we deserve death?
104 Legion: Shepard Commander, help us.
105 Legion: Shepard Commander, the Geth do not wish you harm. You are an ally against the heretics and old machines.
108 Thane: Kalihera, mistress of inscrutable depths. I ask forgiveness.
109 Thane: You are a great protector Siha but some things are beyond even you.
110 Thane: It seems there will be no one to mourn me when I die. You're the only friend I've made in 10 years.
111 Thane: Just don't make the same mistake I did, there's always another mission. None of them are an excuse to make yourself an island.

In addition the file wwise_norhub_dreams.afc has the music and sfx for the dream sequences so far the only ones I have discerened voices from are these.
001: Help me
002: definitely a voice but I can't tell what it's saying
003: also a voice, can't tell again

Edit: fixed a few screwups


Holy crap! Amazing work! This helps a ton!

#283
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Ingu wrote...

Here's four 30 second mp3 samples (since I didn't pay for the recording software :P). If you turn the sound right up, you will hear... 'something'. It's not very clear or persuasive, but perhaps we'll find something once people extract and analyse the actual sound files.

http://www.mediafire...2oagf892xayb481

http://www.mediafire...clp46v4hk7opkdn

http://www.mediafire...acsbp04way7liom

http://www.mediafire...whcolo0w671c8xf


And a wav file:
http://www.mediafire...f2oe7f42x2i9ej4

Is it that sound that consists of two parts, with a pause that stands out from the rest of the gibberish? That sounds like old radio? Sounds like "stop ||| tripping", heh heh. 

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Nimrodell wrote...

You get to hear every important person that died on your watch - depending on your choices, you get to hear more or less number of characters. In one playthrough I got to hear Ashely, than, Ashley and Mordin and Thane, and then all them plus Legion. In the other playthrough, it was Ashley, than Ashley, Mordin, Eve, Kelly Chambers, Thane and then Legion appeared too in the next dream. So each time another significant person dies you'll get to hear it in the dream, their quotes from the game itself - like for example, Eve - Are you here to kill me? Etc. I didn't notice any additional sentences implying anything to do with IT - all quotes I heard were already spoken from those characters during ME1, ME2 and ME3.


Yea going back it hit me hard. Kelly died, I didnt want her to live in fear, so i didnt tell her to change her name...never imagined cerberus would assult the citadel. Thane, Mordin, Kaiden all good squadmates. Funny thing is I killed samara for morinth and I dont hear her at all. I dont regret it either. Morinth didnt get much of a send off though, Her and Kelly are MIA from the wall of fallen members.

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antiquechrono wrote...

014 Unknown Female: Wars can be won or lost in the editing room, and this war needs to be won.
017 Kasumi? : I always have time for you Commander.


Judging by the quotes you gave:

014 is Diana Allers. I hope it's in there because you can kill her. Now all we need is to find out how.
017 is probably also Kelly Chambers. She's the only one I can remember saying that.

Good work! How long are those indescernable other files, the ones you can't make out?

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Dendio1 wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

So how come no one seems to be concentrating on the last dream sequence with the mirrored Shepard and the child as support of IT? An armored Shepard is running toward the child and then sees himself embracing the child out of armor. The mirrored out of armor Shepard then smiles along with the kid.

Could be symbolic. Just sayin'.


The final doesnt let you explore. It has a set duration and once the voices run out it automatically makes you run up to the child


I understand that. But, that final scene is worth noting.

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KillerHappyFace wrote...

antiquechrono wrote...

014 Unknown Female: Wars can be won or lost in the editing room, and this war needs to be won.
017 Kasumi? : I always have time for you Commander.


Judging by the quotes you gave:

014 is Diana Allers. I hope it's in there because you can kill her. Now all we need is to find out how.
017 is probably also Kelly Chambers. She's the only one I can remember saying that.

Good work! How long are those indescernable other files, the ones you can't make out?


001 is 9 seconds
002 is 8 seconds
003 is 8 seconds

2 and 3 have a sound effect over the voice (sounds ghostly?) that's why I can't make it out

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I'm going to guess that what the IDT guys are hearing is what they want to hear... now, I do not mean that as a detraction, I am certain those who don't want to hear anything will not hear anything... this is a phenomena called Pareidolia. I'd suggest checking it out here: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Pareidolia

It's the same phenomena that we get from things like EVP and Backmasking (or alleged back-masking, not deliberate back-masking...)

Unless someone can isolate the sounds from the original files, and really clean them up so that we can clearly hear these things, I am guessing that this can be explained as another face on mars...

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Dendio1 wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

You get to hear every important person that died on your watch - depending on your choices, you get to hear more or less number of characters. In one playthrough I got to hear Ashely, than, Ashley and Mordin and Thane, and then all them plus Legion. In the other playthrough, it was Ashley, than Ashley, Mordin, Eve, Kelly Chambers, Thane and then Legion appeared too in the next dream. So each time another significant person dies you'll get to hear it in the dream, their quotes from the game itself - like for example, Eve - Are you here to kill me? Etc. I didn't notice any additional sentences implying anything to do with IT - all quotes I heard were already spoken from those characters during ME1, ME2 and ME3.


Yea going back it hit me hard. Kelly died, I didnt want her to live in fear, so i didnt tell her to change her name...never imagined cerberus would assult the citadel. Thane, Mordin, Kaiden all good squadmates. Funny thing is I killed samara for morinth and I dont hear her at all. I dont regret it either. Morinth didnt get much of a send off though, Her and Kelly are MIA from the wall of fallen members.

Morinth shows up as a Banshee in the monastary for the Ardak-Yashi (sp?) if you kill Samara in ME2

Modifié par Vox77, 27 mars 2012 - 05:40 .


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I'll compress the folder and drop it here in a while.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 27 mars 2012 - 05:41 .


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Random tangent, did anyone else get chills during the dreams because of that perfect mood music in the background.

Gahh, just watching the youtube videos people are linking brought the chills back!!!! Those dream sequences were fantastically done!

Edit, I think its this song

Modifié par I am KROGAN, 27 mars 2012 - 05:43 .


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Here's an extremely short YouTube vid.

Description contains details, but notice 0:16, I don't know if this is what the OP heard?

Modifié par Ingu, 27 mars 2012 - 05:54 .


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Here for everyone who don't feel like waiting for a youtube video nor like datamining.

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Ingu wrote...

Here's an extremely short YouTube vid:

Description contains details, but notice 0:16, I don't know if this is what the OP heard?


If that is the one, then yeah, I am going to say this is 100% pareidolia... well known pyschological phenomena.

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antiquechrono wrote...

001 is 9 seconds
002 is 8 seconds
003 is 8 seconds

2 and 3 have a sound effect over the voice (sounds ghostly?) that's why I can't make it out


The sound effect is reverse delay.

3 is "Everyone's Dying." From creepy kid during the intro.

I'm fairly certain that 2 is "Please," perhaps there's more, but I doubt it...

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This thread was quite good until folk started missing the point, this was not about the voices of the dead squad mates, it was about subliminal whispers, those sounds that were drowned out by other sounds, everyone knows you could hear squad mates and friends, those were bloody obvious.

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Zak MWTFunny wrote...

Ingu wrote...

Here's an extremely short YouTube vid:

Description contains details, but notice 0:16, I don't know if this is what the OP heard?


If that is the one, then yeah, I am going to say this is 100% pareidolia... well known pyschological phenomena.


:wizard:

Hush now, don't spoil our fun! :blink:

Modifié par Ingu, 27 mars 2012 - 05:55 .


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Ingu wrote...

Here's an extremely short YouTube vid:

Description contains details, but notice 0:16, I don't know if this is what the OP heard?


I didn't hear anything there, when I heard what I did it was louder and cleared the audio range of the whispers so that you could clearly hear it

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Yeah I thought this was about the "background" chatter you hear. You Definatley hear voices that is for sure. Like whispers that are fleeting and hard to decipher in game. This is BSN skunkworks now, you guys are digging and researching good job to all of you. I enjoy how this "bad ending" debacle has brought alot of the "minority" together working and sharing ideas.

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DJBare wrote...

This thread was quite good until folk started missing the point, this was not about the voices of the dead squad mates, it was about subliminal whispers, those sounds that were drowned out by other sounds, everyone knows you could hear squad mates and friends, those were bloody obvious.


I know, I've restated that many times before but newcomers comment about it frequently. It's not their fault though, I don't expect them to read every posting in here.