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JTP117 wrote...

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ok, so I made a video showing some of the whispers I hear in the last dream,
Including this quote:
0:28 "You are a great protector siha but some things are beyond even you"


It kind of makes me sad because it sounds like it is alluding to Shepard dying in the end and losing to the Reapers. I am still holding out hope though that that breath was not her last.


PLEASE, in the second dream, hang around for a bit, walk to the boundaries, I did this for a couple of minutes at leats- just in case that's the trigger- and then approach the kid. He'll run the first time. Walk around again- once more just in case that's the trigger. Then get close to the kid, but not too close. Circle around in on him, inching close. Whack the sound up, tell me it's not a reaper talking.


I did it just by walking up to the whisps themselves, I tried to avoid the child alltogether


I'm not talking about the dialogue. If you get to the point just before triggering the last child-burning scene, trust me you will be well rewarded: it's a reaper.

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[quote]maxloef wrote...

this video at arround 26 to 30 seconds it goes, dont trust him![/quote]

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What the…there's dialogue in the dream sequences?!

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legaldinho wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

showes13 wrote...

ok, so I made a video showing some of the whispers I hear in the last dream,
Including this quote:
0:28 "You are a great protector siha but some things are beyond even you"


It kind of makes me sad because it sounds like it is alluding to Shepard dying in the end and losing to the Reapers. I am still holding out hope though that that breath was not her last.


PLEASE, in the second dream, hang around for a bit, walk to the boundaries, I did this for a couple of minutes at leats- just in case that's the trigger- and then approach the kid. He'll run the first time. Walk around again- once more just in case that's the trigger. Then get close to the kid, but not too close. Circle around in on him, inching close. Whack the sound up, tell me it's not a reaper talking.


I did it just by walking up to the whisps themselves, I tried to avoid the child alltogether


I'm not talking about the dialogue. If you get to the point just before triggering the last child-burning scene, trust me you will be well rewarded: it's a reaper.


By dialogue do you mean the dead crew or the whisps talking themselves?

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I've only heard the voices of the dead.

I have heard:
Ashley
Zaeed
Samara
Jack
Eve
Mordin
Legion

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JTP117 wrote...


By dialogue do you mean the dead crew or the whisps talking themselves?




Both dude. Look, I'm with you, I believe you. But I stumbled on something else and you gotta believe me- someone has to post a vid. Watch the youtube video above. At 1.26, stop. People are asking whether it's saying "don't trust him". In fact the important thing is that sound gets amplified, morphs, if you stop just short of triggering the child-burning scene. I circled around the kid. It sounds like a reaper. I thought it was harbinger. My heart skipped a beat. So astounding, I absolutely need confirmation in a vid.

Modifié par legaldinho, 27 mars 2012 - 02:41 .


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if you turn on subtitles you can be told at least some of what is said though I didn't figure this out until late in the game. Gonna have to go through it again.

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legaldinho wrote...

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By dialogue do you mean the dead crew or the whisps talking themselves?




Both dude. Look, I'm with you, I believe you. But I stumbled on something else and you gotta believe me- someone has to post a vid. Watch the youtube video above. At 1.26, stop. People are asking whether it's saying "don't trust him". In fact the important thing is that sound gets amplified, morphs, if you stop just short of triggering the child-burning scene. I circled around the kid. It sounds like a reaper. I thought it was harbinger. My heart skipped a beat. So astounding, I absolutely need confirmation in a vid.


I believe you, there is still much I haven't seen, Like I said, I found all this on accident. Could you describe it more please? Like how you identified it as a reaper? What tipped you off?

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Just great. Not only do I have a crappy ending with tons o plot holes, it seems sheperd is indoctrinated. Wonderful.

Thanks for nothing bioware.


Well really it's one or the other ;)

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I don't know. As much as I'd like for there to be some kind of grand plan, I think a lot of you guys are just hearing things in noise. I've been going through every sound file related to the dreams, and I'm not getting any of the stuff people are talking about in this thread.

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i heard Legion one of the times, i think it was the last one, simply said "Shepard Commander"
it was actually pretty clear considering...

the shadows seem to be the "ghosts" of people who you knew who died...i think I also heard Thane in another one

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Im about to hit dream 2 I'll have to mess around for a bit when I do.

I'll report back.

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JTP117 wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

JTP117 wrote...


By dialogue do you mean the dead crew or the whisps talking themselves?




Both
dude. Look, I'm with you, I believe you. But I stumbled on something
else and you gotta believe me- someone has to post a vid. Watch the
youtube video above. At 1.26, stop. People are asking whether it's
saying "don't trust him". In fact the important thing is that sound gets
amplified, morphs, if you stop just short of triggering the
child-burning scene. I circled around the kid. It sounds like a reaper. I
thought it was harbinger. My heart skipped a beat. So astounding, I
absolutely need confirmation in a vid.

i believe you, there is still much I haven't seen, Like I said, I found
all this on accident. Could you describe it more please? Like how you
identified it as a reaper? What tipped you off?


The sound, the low pitch. Volume increased- it was menacing. To be honest, I was freaked out- it was a bit scary, unexpected. I was circling around keeping my distance but inching closer. It got higher in volume and lower in pitch the closer I got. It was garbled, like a loud whisper. I was trying to see if I could make out anything, then the scene got triggered.

I posted a thread about it, but it's lost in a sea of dead threads.

Modifié par legaldinho, 27 mars 2012 - 02:52 .


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http://social.biowar...8296/1#10618757

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Tell Gibbed to extract the audio from the dream so it can be more clear.

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prizm123 wrote...

i heard Legion one of the times, i think it was the last one, simply said "Shepard Commander"
it was actually pretty clear considering...

the shadows seem to be the "ghosts" of people who you knew who died...i think I also heard Thane in another one

Yea it was Legion i heard him too, you also hear Thane say "Siha"

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Mcjon01 wrote...

I don't know. As much as I'd like for there to be some kind of grand plan, I think a lot of you guys are just hearing things in noise. I've been going through every sound file related to the dreams, and I'm not getting any of the stuff people are talking about in this thread.


You're going about it the wrong way, just play the game the way we described. What do you have to loose by just trying afterall?

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JTP117 wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

I don't know. As much as I'd like for there to be some kind of grand plan, I think a lot of you guys are just hearing things in noise. I've been going through every sound file related to the dreams, and I'm not getting any of the stuff people are talking about in this thread.


You're going about it the wrong way, just play the game the way we described. What do you have to loose by just trying afterall?


Too subjective, the audio dump is more impartial. Take out the random overlap and noise and all the apparent patterns vanish. The only actual speech is from the boy, and the talking dead.

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Mcjon01 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

I don't know. As much as I'd like for there to be some kind of grand plan, I think a lot of you guys are just hearing things in noise. I've been going through every sound file related to the dreams, and I'm not getting any of the stuff people are talking about in this thread.


You're going about it the wrong way, just play the game the way we described. What do you have to loose by just trying afterall?


Too subjective, the audio dump is more impartial. Take out the random overlap and noise and all the apparent patterns vanish. The only actual speech is from the boy, and the talking dead.


Then you are missing something as numerous other people on several threads have all confirmed hearing what I did.

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Wow, so much speculation ! :P While it's true that the sequences definitely have some importance in the story, I didn't think that deeply about them while playing.

Is it only people that are dead ? I thought I heard some lines from some squadmates who aren't (at least in my game), like Wrex or Grunt. Don't know if someone else mentionned it, another case of tl;dr from me. Sorry ;P Maybe just bad memory on my part. The shadows do whisper things, though I couldn't recall exactly what. I don't remember noticing they said anything leading me to think the child was "evil".

Note: I'm not making up another theory down here, just saying how these dream sequences made me feel, and the guesses I made about how the story would unfold while on my first playthrough.

The way I interpreted the dreams, is that Shepard (I'll use the male version) is having recurring nightmares as his mind/subconscious is "breaking down", not from indoctrination, but from sheer fatigue and pressure brought by the current fight, being pushed as the "one hope" for all life, etc., re-hearing dialogue lines, both good (pushing Shepard forward almost relunctantly) and bad (being criticized for various actions). For all his strength of character and power in battle, down below he's only human, and he doubts.

The child (the same that died in the beginning) represents what's left alive of humanity, and the fear of arriving too late to save them, as shown by the fact that you keep running after him and he's somehow always out of your reach until the end, when the Reaper "appears" and engulfs him in flames. For me, it showed the fear of losing everything that's at stake. And also, the fear that this time, the fight might very well take his own life (for real this time). Doesn't one of the sequences show a "double" of himself with the child as he burns ? It sort of made sense for me back then.

While playing, this supposed display of breakdown/depression made me think it wouldn't end well for the commander, i.e. he would probably die as a last heroic act that would save the rest of the galaxy. I had heard about ME3 being the last story with Shepard in it (while not necessarily the last in the ME universe), so it made sense that he would die in the end, at least in one of the endings.

Another thing that I found to back this "depression" idea while playing, was the atmosphere after KL steals the VI on Thessia from under their noses. Shepard especially is depressed at losing this fight. I think it was one of the rare times we see him showing real disappointment to his superiors, instead of the usual "we'll get it back ! they'll pay for this !". I actually thought it was a very strange reaction, since we've basically been *winning* against Cerberus the entire time before that mission, saying "HA! We beat Cerberus to the punch again, oooh, TIM must really be choking in anger right now !". And now, first actual "loss" against Cerberus, and everyone's down in the gutter ? This contrast felt kind of unnatural.

Anyway, just thought I'd give my impressions on this. Maybe some have had totally different impressions while playing ;)

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JTP117 - Maybe you've got me worked up.

Maybe I'm hearing things.

I've heard something I've never heard before in ME1.

When you're waking up after the beacon, you go through some conversation points with Kaiden. After you thank him or whatever, you slide off the table, and Chakwas talks about rapid eye movement and abnormal brain activity associated with dreaming. You have an option here and usually what you say is something like, "It was more like a vision. Of death. Destruction." (Paraphrasing.)

During that part, as Shepard talks...

I heard something that I had never heard before.

And I'm not saying this is what it was, but to my ears, it sounded a whole lot like "Assuming."

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Hmmm.. dunno. Not hearing it. I worry about some confirmation bias, after all this thread started by saying 'lets see what we can find to support our theory'. Not actually how it works. Still, I do hope IT is correct, just because that would be super cool. (except the whole not including the end in the game thing). In the end, I think Occam's Razor will prove correct.

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scrapmetals wrote...

JTP117 - Maybe you've got me worked up.

Maybe I'm hearing things.

I've heard something I've never heard before in ME1.

When you're waking up after the beacon, you go through some conversation points with Kaiden. After you thank him or whatever, you slide off the table, and Chakwas talks about rapid eye movement and abnormal brain activity associated with dreaming. You have an option here and usually what you say is something like, "It was more like a vision. Of death. Destruction." (Paraphrasing.)

During that part, as Shepard talks...

I heard something that I had never heard before.

And I'm not saying this is what it was, but to my ears, it sounded a whole lot like "Assuming."


I've heard what you're talking about. It's like a murmer after he says "I saw..." right?

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That line at 1:27 freaked me out. Couldn't understand a word of it, but sounded like TIM. Creepy as hell though.

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BlaiidDrwg wrote...

Hmmm.. dunno. Not hearing it. I worry about some confirmation bias, after all this thread started by saying 'lets see what we can find to support our theory'. Not actually how it works. Still, I do hope IT is correct, just because that would be super cool. (except the whole not including the end in the game thing). In the end, I think Occam's Razor will prove correct.


I'm not quite sure where I said that as I have stated many times I came across all this by accident. I also said that it takes patience to find, walking around aimlessly and going to the child won't earn you anything. I emplore you, just dedicate like 15 mins to walking around the whisps.

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JTP117 wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

JTP117 - Maybe you've got me worked up.

Maybe I'm hearing things.

I've heard something I've never heard before in ME1.

When you're waking up after the beacon, you go through some conversation points with Kaiden. After you thank him or whatever, you slide off the table, and Chakwas talks about rapid eye movement and abnormal brain activity associated with dreaming. You have an option here and usually what you say is something like, "It was more like a vision. Of death. Destruction." (Paraphrasing.)

During that part, as Shepard talks...

I heard something that I had never heard before.

And I'm not saying this is what it was, but to my ears, it sounded a whole lot like "Assuming."


I've heard what you're talking about. It's like a murmer after he says "I saw..." right?


Yup, right there. It's really quiet right there. There's another part about two seconds later in the same sentence, right as Shepard gets to the end I think, where it's even louder.

Also, again, not sure if relavent: Right before ME3 came out, I got an update for ME1. I swear I have never heard this sound before and I've played this game through a dozen times.

Could be going crazy just wanting to desperately find evidence.

I reloaded just to hear it again. Sounded more like a murmur. But still sounded a lot like the word "Assuming". I'm going to be listening for more SFX like this throughout the other games...

Because if what I heard was right, Shepard's been slowly indoctrinated over the correct period of time (possibly).