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[MasterDracoStoc]

I am going to assume the nobody knows anyone who can record the dream dialogue and play the different sounds back? Anyway I've played two full playthroughs so I'm going back to ME1. If more evidence appear can the OP post it in his Original statement? It would be much appreciated.

[scrapmetals]

xsdob wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

JTP117 - Maybe you've got me worked up.

Maybe I'm hearing things.

I've heard something I've never heard before in ME1.

When you're waking up after the beacon, you go through some conversation points with Kaiden. After you thank him or whatever, you slide off the table, and Chakwas talks about rapid eye movement and abnormal brain activity associated with dreaming. You have an option here and usually what you say is something like, "It was more like a vision. Of death. Destruction." (Paraphrasing.)

During that part, as Shepard talks...

I heard something that I had never heard before.

And I'm not saying this is what it was, but to my ears, it sounded a whole lot like "Assuming."

I've heard what you're talking about. It's like a murmer after he says "I saw..." right?

Yup, right there. It's really quiet right there. There's another part about two seconds later in the same sentence, right as Shepard gets to the end I think, where it's even louder.

Also, again, not sure if relavent: Right before ME3 came out, I got an update for ME1. I swear I have never heard this sound before and I've played this game through a dozen times.

Could be going crazy just wanting to desperately find evidence.

I reloaded just to hear it again. Sounded more like a murmur. But still sounded a lot like the word "Assuming". I'm going to be listening for more SFX like this throughout the other games...

Because if what I heard was right, Shepard's been slowly indoctrinated over the correct period of time (possibly).

I definitely have no idea what you guys are talking about here. However, I am interested. Care to elaborate?

He's talking about a sceen fro ME1 after shep awakens from being knocked out by a beacon. If you listen, as he's talking you can hear a reaper-like murmur, I just assumed it was shepard thinking about the vision he saw

It's an echo distorted version of what the comander has just said. So when he says "I saw..." The whispers is also saying I saw, but distorted and than the rest of it is regular creepy whispers. I've paly at least 4 palythroughs in the past year so I know about he whispering

True, the first part sounds like "I saw", the second part doesn't sound like just creepy whispering to me though. I dunno why they'd do that though. They don't do it when he talks about it to Anderson, or the Council I think. It seems kind of superfluous just to be "creepy".

[parrmi22]

Hmm. I'll be listening next time I play through that sequence. I always hoped there was more to those dreams than Shepard chasing that annoying kid around.

[Aiyie]

dam, i would LOVE for this to be true... but, ill be honest here, i dont' know for sure. it sorta sounds like "don't trust him" but then again, it might not be.

we meed someone to do an actual audio analysis to be sure.

[Leonia]

Passively following this thread (always thought there would be more to those dreams than we would have caught the first few times) and was curious about this "update to ME1", where would one find this and why would ME1 get an update around now?

It has always bothered me, since the very beginning, that Shepard was capable of "reading" the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime and that initial vision always.. I don't know, it always felt like there was more to it than we were told back then. But then later, Javik can recall that vision of Shepard's, I wonder if he can see her other dreams and make sense of them?

I highly doubt they would have planted evidence that far back, as we know the series has evolved from their original vision (such as the Cerberus plot) but it does make one wonder.

Modifié par leonia42, 27 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[Arokel]

Aiyie wrote...

dam, i would LOVE for this to be true... but, ill be honest here, i dont' know for sure. it sorta sounds like "don't trust him" but then again, it might not be.

we meed someone to do an actual audio analysis to be sure.

Several others have heard "dont trust him" as well.

[JTP117]

For everyone jumping on the Confirmation Bias Band-wagon, let's be clear. Confirmation bias is how you interpret data, not how you find it. Confirmation Bias is when you are anti-gun control and choose to only read articles that are also anti-gun control and gather your argument from that.

Saying that someone heard something they were not even looking for does not even apply. If instead there were whispers that said "Indoc isn't true, the endings are fine" and I choose to ignore them in favor of Indoc theory, then THAT would be confirmation bias.

[Chernaya]

I'm trying to listen for stuff, but my mind gets so confused with all the different sounds at once, lol.

One strange things about the dream I've noticed in my play-through was that even though I never romanced Thane, I got his whisper where he called me "siha"... D: It was touching, but didn't make much sense with my character since he never said that to her.

[FellishBeast]

 More than enough speculation to go around!
In the meantime, take a break with THIS! 

[Yahmosa007]

confirmed, it seems in every dream after harbinger WRRRRS, shepards mind buckles back with resistance. alot of whispers come out at once after each time

[JTP117]

MasterDracoStoc wrote...

I am going to assume the nobody knows anyone who can record the dream dialogue and play the different sounds back? Anyway I've played two full playthroughs so I'm going back to ME1. If more evidence appear can the OP post it in his Original statement? It would be much appreciated.

Any other evidence that can eithe be proven via hard media or confirmed by another source such as a second user or thread will be added to the original post.

[Arokel]

leonia42 wrote...

Passively following this thread (always thought there would be more to those dreams than we would have caught the first few times) and was curious about this "update to ME1", where would one find this and why would ME1 get an update around now?

It has always bothered me, since the very beginning, that Shepard was capable of "reading" the Protehan beacon on Eden Prime and that initial vision always.. I don't know, it always felt like there was more to it than we were told back then. But then later, Javik can recall that vision of Shepard's, I wonder if he can see her other dreams and make sense of them?

I have always wondered if there was still more hidden in the beacon vision.  Even with the addition of Saren's beacon, the cipher, and that artifact from the N7 mission in ME2, the vision was still very confusing.

[xsdob]

JTP117 wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

I don't know. As much as I'd like for there to be some kind of grand plan, I think a lot of you guys are just hearing things in noise. I've been going through every sound file related to the dreams, and I'm not getting any of the stuff people are talking about in this thread.

You're going about it the wrong way, just play the game the way we described. What do you have to loose by just trying afterall?

Too subjective, the audio dump is more impartial. Take out the random overlap and noise and all the apparent patterns vanish. The only actual speech is from the boy, and the talking dead.

Then you are missing something as numerous other people on several threads have all confirmed hearing what I did.

Of course they have! You planted the idea into their heads and now it's all they can think about. Someone said that they heard the whispers saying things, because this is subjective, no one can prove or disprove what you've heard. However, others who have read this and believe it to be true latch onto the idea as a confirmation of what they believe, interpreting what they hear as coinciding with what you heard to match what they believe, the indoctrination theory.

People are like that, If i'm the first person into a resturant, and I try the food and say that it is eithe good or bad for everyone to hear, some of the people who hear it will believe it is bad or good without trying it first, and when they do try it they will think it is either good or bad based on what I've said about it and determining it was a fact before hand.

The person who brings up a point first influences everyone who hasn't thought about that point yet, and people will believe or disbelieve on face value alone. For instance, some people belive that you are wrong because they have laready said that everything that is remotley close to the indoctrination theory is wrong, they are suffering from the same bias and psychological phenomina, just the oppisite of the spectrum. The only reason I say your wrong is becasue your taking a subjective observation and turning it into a fact, which is a far cry from what you said in your post with it being just you.

[Yahmosa007]

Around :40 listen closely

its something saying indoctrinated or indoctrination

[xsdob]

JTP117 wrote...

For everyone jumping on the Confirmation Bias Band-wagon, let's be clear. Confirmation bias is how you interpret data, not how you find it. Confirmation Bias is when you are anti-gun control and choose to only read articles that are also anti-gun control and gather your argument from that.

Saying that someone heard something they were not even looking for does not even apply. If instead there were whispers that said "Indoc isn't true, the endings are fine" and I choose to ignore them in favor of Indoc theory, then THAT would be confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias also takes subjective findings and turns them into concrete facts to support a certain view, which is what people on both sides are doing right now in this thread.

[xsdob]

Yahmosa007 wrote...



Around :40 listen closely

its something saying indoctrinated or indoctrination

It says "someone else might have gotten it wrong."

[Kusy]

9 pages and still nobody did a datamine on this? Seriously?

[JTP117]

Yahmosa007 wrote...

confirmed, it seems in every dream after harbinger WRRRRS, shepards mind buckles back with resistance. alot of whispers come out at once after each time

Very cool! Were did you find this/ what did you do to see this?

[Yahmosa007]

xsdob wrote...

Yahmosa007 wrote...



Around :40 listen closely

its something saying indoctrinated or indoctrination

It says "someone else might have gotten it wrong."

Before that.

[Yahmosa007]

JTP117 wrote...

Yahmosa007 wrote...

confirmed, it seems in every dream after harbinger WRRRRS, shepards mind buckles back with resistance. alot of whispers come out at once after each time

Very cool! Were did you find this/ what did you do to see this?

speculation

[Onpoint17]

Am I missing something here? In regard to ME1 and the conversation in sick bay after Shepard returns from Eden Prime. What does a Prothean Beacon have to do with indoctrination? Last I remember Protheans are not Reapers.

[scrapmetals]

Onpoint17 wrote...

Am I missing something here? In regard to ME1 and the conversation in sick bay after Shepard returns from Eden Prime. What does a Prothean Beacon have to do with indoctrination? Last I remember Protheans are not Reapers.

No, but Protheans were indoctrinated.

Speculation: The beacons were comm relays. What's the best way to indoctrinate a lot of Protheans? By their comm relays. We don't know how indoc works, it could spread through comms.

[Chuvvy]

Right after Harby does his BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRZ they say "Don't trust him Shepard.". Also, it's much easier to make out what they're saying if you have on headphones.

[JTP117]

xsdob wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

I don't know. As much as I'd like for there to be some kind of grand plan, I think a lot of you guys are just hearing things in noise. I've been going through every sound file related to the dreams, and I'm not getting any of the stuff people are talking about in this thread.

You're going about it the wrong way, just play the game the way we described. What do you have to loose by just trying afterall?

Too subjective, the audio dump is more impartial. Take out the random overlap and noise and all the apparent patterns vanish. The only actual speech is from the boy, and the talking dead.

Then you are missing something as numerous other people on several threads have all confirmed hearing what I did.

Of course they have! You planted the idea into their heads and now it's all they can think about. Someone said that they heard the whispers saying things, because this is subjective, no one can prove or disprove what you've heard. However, others who have read this and believe it to be true latch onto the idea as a confirmation of what they believe, interpreting what they hear as coinciding with what you heard to match what they believe, the indoctrination theory.

People are like that, If i'm the first person into a resturant, and I try the food and say that it is eithe good or bad for everyone to hear, some of the people who hear it will believe it is bad or good without trying it first, and when they do try it they will think it is either good or bad based on what I've said about it and determining it was a fact before hand.

The person who brings up a point first influences everyone who hasn't thought about that point yet, and people will believe or disbelieve on face value alone. For instance, some people belive that you are wrong because they have laready said that everything that is remotley close to the indoctrination theory is wrong, they are suffering from the same bias and psychological phenomina, just the oppisite of the spectrum. The only reason I say your wrong is becasue your taking a subjective observation and turning it into a fact, which is a far cry from what you said in your post with it being just you.

So if i find something later on, I am to keep it entirely to myself then in fear that someone may look for what I found? Sorry, I made this thread to talk about the voices in the dream and that's what I am going to do. I can't very tell the people who read it to cover their eyes and run away. Yes some people may be influenced by reading this but some may have legitimately found this on their own.

And where did I state that everything found was law and fact? I said I found something interesting, I didn't say that I heard this noise that is cemented in cannon and everyone has to believe it. And guess what pal? I found something and it interested me. If that is so horrible I'll be here waiting for you to call the internet police.

Furthermore, I've found that actually investigating something I don't agree with is far more productive that being cynical and cutting down what people were happy to find. I was asked to make this thread, I'm not shoving it down their throats, they came here by free will just like you.

If you can find one remote point of contrast from what i have presented that you can confirm or back up then i will take it seriously. Until that time, stop coming here to tell me why I, as a person trying to have fun in a game and talk with others about it, am ultimately wrong. Stop coming here to tell other people that they are wrong because YOU said so, no one on here came for your opinion on our topic, they came to talk about the dreams. Perhaps you should keep that in mind.

[McScroggz24]

Does anyone know if changing the audio levels in game help to hear the voices?