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[Pyrceval78]

Augustine wrote...

I enjoy playing my N7 Valiant Adept more than any other class. Wanna fight about it?

Besides, who gave you the authority to tell me how to play the game I bought?
You're just a guy with an opinion, not a snowflake.
Think you know all the answers? Run for Congress.

+10 internets.  You got it exactly

[BDelacroix]

Had a match last night where everyone (no matter what class) was a sniper. Except me, I was trying to be an engineer with a carnifex but every time I took aim, someone would whack the target. It made me feel useless but by the end waves I was in there with more chances to show my worth.

[BlazeShepard]

stribies wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

stribies wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

stribies wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

So...if Asari Adepts are forbidden to use Stasis Sniping because they're SUPPOSED to cause biotic explosions galore...is my Turian Soldier forbidden from using Marksman + Tempest to carry the team half the time?  All because he's SUPPOSED to use an assault rifle or somesuch nonsense? <_<

Just because a strategy is unconvetional does not mean it should be unacceptable.

Bronze strats belong in bronze. Your smg or assault rifle will do you no good when it's doing no damage in gold. If you want it fixed, ask bioware why armor has to gimp half the weapons so hard on higher difficulties.

Funny that you assume I was talking about Bronze.  When I mentioned carrying the team half the time, it was in Silver and Gold.  Otherwise I wouldn't bother posting. 

Gimping your team isn't carrying.

Amusing that you can't say anything better than that. 

You can consider this converastion over.  If you can't come up with any sort of reply besides trying to make a petty remark when you have no idea what my skill level is or how I play, I suggest you simply let the matter drop and move on.  Unless of course you're the type of person who can't live without getting in the last word.

It's a legit comment. If you're using inferior weapons, then you're gimping your team. But it's apparent that won't ever get through to you cause you're so good after all. Who cares about game mechanics and stats when there are players like you!

I rest my case. 

[twister87]

BlazeShepard wrote...

<long internet argument, finishing with Blaze being oh so right>

+1. And the marksman+tempest idea sounds really good, might have to try it. 

[TexasToast712]

Our designated Asari for gold is a Vanguard with a sniper rifle.

Problem?

Modifié par TexasToast712, 27 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[BlazeShepard]

twister87 wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

<long internet argument, finishing with Blaze being oh so right>

+1. And the marksman+tempest idea sounds really good, might have to try it. 

Pardon me for sounding guarded, but I'm not sure if that's a sarcastic statement or not. 

But regardless, I wasn't trying to prove that Marksman+Tempest was the bestest build ever, just that it was viable - as is stasis sniping or other builds that players would initially consider weak or useless or "gimping."  It just depends on the situation, individual skill with a chosen build or strategy, teammates' skill, etc.

One thing to note also about the Marksman+Tempest approach that the low cooldown allows you to spam Proximity Mines (the cooldown time is a little over 3 seconds), which is partly why I found it to be viable even in Silver or Gold.  Sure, it's not an oh-so-mighty biotic explosion-fest and it's not tailored for every possible situation (no build is), but it's a fun change of pace and - despite stribies' remarks - it's not gimping your team.

Modifié par BlazeShepard, 27 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[twister87]

It's fine, it's easy to misinterpret things on the internet - after all, text is less than 10% of communication. I was being honest, it sounds fun.

Modifié par twister87, 28 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[wolfstanus]

I saw 2 very low level n7 guys with the black widow iv... N7 30... With adept classes. Used medigel twice on second wave... Othere they modded those or spent a lot of money. Other way... I left after watching them die a few times...

[Genesis Notch]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

 Im tired of seeing Asari Adept carrying Javelin, Black Widow or any High Caliber Rifle with a scope. Seriously your job is blowing thing up with biotic, immobilizing phantom or hunter not popping head

So hardcore.

Modifié par Genesis Notch, 28 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[MartialArtsSurfer]

Chriss5688 wrote...

Lavantas wrote...

bluedevil99 wrote...

Why in the world would you NOT want an asari adept with a black widow
abusing stasis bubble on your team? Either you're seriously
overestimating biotic combo damage (esp on gold enemies with
armor/shields) or seriously underestimating the black widow in the hands
of a skilled headshotter (or actually an unskilled one, since this
character is always shooting at stationary targets). That or you're
just mad she's getting "your kills".

I just use my Paladin with Pistol Amp 3, scope, and barrel mod to stasis and 2 shot phantoms with 200% recharge speed.

Also,bluedevil99 seems to be underestimating biotic explosions. I use
an Asari Adept on Gold, and I can take out a Brute and a Ravager with
3~4 BE's, If I have a Drell Adept on the team we can absolutely destroy
the Reapers's forces. Besides, biotic explosions are an AoE attack,
combine that with the high damage and you've got one of the most
effective tactics on the game.

erikage wrote...

What it comes down to is if you feel to complain how someone else plays then you're not very good and rely heavily on your team. Just tried Gold(tried silver yesterday 3 times), it's still a damn good tactic. The goal is to kill the enemies, not how you kill them.

Edit: Shoot, stasis, reload. Shoot, stasis reload. It's not that hard unless you're really bad at this game. You kill the enemies you can kill easily with the earlier shots, stasis the ones while you give yourself time to kill them. Also, if a teamate kills the stasis'd enemy. Bam, good to go. Try that on Gold. Works easily. You have to be systematic with any class on Gold.

People can choose to play however they want & others can also CHOOSE NOT to play with them if it means they're just going to waste their time getting credits

the point is to succeed on Gold & you kill much faster & more things faster with Biotic Area effect explosions every 2 or 3 seconds than using stasis every 8 seconds with a Widow/Black Widow.

Using a LIGHT Mantis X or light Valiant is fine but heavy snipers makes the gold run take longer than necessary.

--I run hours of gold runs almost every day (99% success rate with friends, 90% success rate with randoms who use good strategies which don't include AA with heavy snipers, LOL) -

I can carry people on Gold, usually even completing Gold with just 3 people so sometimes we'll just powerlevel a level 1 char on Gold (level 1 with Widow X is doable) but there's no question it's FASTER & easier if there's a 4th person who can spam Biotic/Tech explosions, Decoy, cloaked Energy Drain/Sabotage + Widow X shots vs. some AA doing stasis every 8 seconds on UNARMORED enemies + headshot

--why not get a Infiltrator with a Widow instead who can spam Energy Drain/Sabotage & Cloak double damage bonus (+90%-130%) every ~3 seconds instead of an AA with Widow with stasis every 8 seconds with NO cloak double-damage?

Sure, AA with widow is doable on gold --it just takes longer than than an equivalent Infiltrator or AA spamming detonations

-I encourage people to Experiment & mess around on Bronze/Silver with crazy weapons/builds like arc pistol, SMGs, GPR, & weird skill combos
like AA with heavy snipers just for shizz & giggles but when it comes to earning credits fast on Gold, most people don't want to waste their 20 mins or do 40 min gold runs

THAT'S A FACT that Biotic Explosions are the most damaging things on Gold since it scales up based on difficulty level according to Bioware Dev posts.. and as a AA, you can set off detonations every 2 or 3 seconds

Compare that to a 8 second stasis + time to line up headshot AA (ya, Stasis drops to about every 8 secs using a heavy sniper)

Throw is 1.23 secs & Warp is 2.3 secs & Stasis is 3.3 secs at +200% cooldown

any AA who uses heavy snipers on Gold is unfamililar with Gold game mechanics, math,

what works on Bronze & maybe Silver will NOT cut it on Gold

it's funny to see people who rarely do gold successfuly come on here posting their Bronze/Silver strategies thinking it'll work on gold

Modifié par MartialArtsSurfer, 28 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[BlazeShepard]

twister87 wrote...

It's fine, it's easy to misinterpret things on the internet - after all, text is less that 10% of communication. I was being honest, it sounds fun.

Sincere statement. Good to know. I hope you enjoy it.

[Blissey1]

Pyrceval78 wrote...

Augustine wrote...

I enjoy playing my N7 Valiant Adept more than any other class. Wanna fight about it?

Besides, who gave you the authority to tell me how to play the game I bought?
You're just a guy with an opinion, not a snowflake.
Think you know all the answers? Run for Congress.

+10 internets.  You got it exactly

see, this would be a good argument...if you were talking about single player.

When you play in a group, you have to take the needs of the group into consideration. Just as you have the right to play how you want("wrong" or otherwise), other people have the right to kick you and complain if they don't like how you play.

They paid money for this game too, ya know.

and besides, the Valiant is what peopel are griping about, it's the widow/BW/javelin.

[Bruddajakka]

Weeell in all fairness Biotics, and a sniper rifle are how Asari coomandos tend to work lore wise

[TygerHeart]

Are we talking about a level 19 Adept with a level 1 sniper, or a level 3 adept with a level 10 sniper? Points into the passives or the actives?

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Hear hear!

I played a match where I saw a KROGAN with a sniper rifle!

Do you know how wrong that was?!

[Jake Boone]

Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Hear hear!

I played a match where I saw a KROGAN with a sniper rifle!

Do you know how wrong that was?!

In all fairness, the only two groups who should be able to use the widow are the geth and the Krogan. Everyone else has to lower it's power to use it or have their shoulders shattered every time they fire it.
Besides, I have fun with my Krogan sentinel that has widow/claymore. It's not really useful on gold, but it wrecks on silver.

[FoxShadowblade]

@BlazeShepard

Enjoyed watchingyou tear him a new one, well done.

And for the guy who replied tomy comment a few pages back(can't quote because I'm on my phone) and called me a scrub for being #1 consistently on Gold using a widow...really?

You really hated the fact I was doing well with an "unacceptable" strategy you had to insult me? Somewhere a kitten jusf died, I hope you're happy.

[Bruddajakka]

Jake Boone wrote...

Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Hear hear!

I played a match where I saw a KROGAN with a sniper rifle!

Do you know how wrong that was?!

In all fairness, the only two groups who should be able to use the widow are the geth and the Krogan. Everyone else has to lower it's power to use it or have their shoulders shattered every time they fire it.
Besides, I have fun with my Krogan sentinel that has widow/claymore. It's not really useful on gold, but it wrecks on silver.

Apparently it was retooled in the time between me2, and 3 to reduce the recoil problem. Though I remember reading about an asari commando unit who got implants to let them use it.

[Geist.H]

I played with a sniper Vanguard and 'Fex AAdept coordinating their biotics, the amount of Nuking was quite impressive, Atlas blowing up on gold with 3 explosions max once debuffed by Cryo.

It beats the 3 infiltrators 1 engineer games with the whole map aggroing the poor engi at least... *sadface*

[Darkslayer557]

Creston918 wrote...

I played with an Asari Adept who was carrying a Widow.

To be fair, by the end of the match, she had 75 kills, 50 sniper rifle kills and 25 head shots. So she did know how to use it.


It's the fault of the stupid system where suddenly every class can carry every weapon. Why even bother playing a damn soldier? All the soldier can do is "shoot faster" (or a concussive shot! WOOOOO!)

the Asari can shoot people with the same weapon, or warp them, or throw them, or stasis them. Yeah, really hard to see why they don't just stick with the soldier...

Sure, but he could do the same with anyother more weapon-focused class, like a soldier. And they have weapon damage, stability bonus, health advantage, etc.
Biotic power and weapons don't help each other as well as soldier abilities help weapons.

Modifié par Darkslayer557, 28 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Darkslayer557]

Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Hear hear!

I played a match where I saw a KROGAN with a sniper rifle!

Do you know how wrong that was?!

That's as stupid as saying shotguns are the only weapon a vanguard should use. Where did you get that notion anyway?

[Darkslayer557]

MartialArtsSurfer wrote...

Chriss5688 wrote...

Lavantas wrote...

bluedevil99 wrote...

Why in the world would you NOT want an asari adept with a black widow
abusing stasis bubble on your team? Either you're seriously
overestimating biotic combo damage (esp on gold enemies with
armor/shields) or seriously underestimating the black widow in the hands
of a skilled headshotter (or actually an unskilled one, since this
character is always shooting at stationary targets). That or you're
just mad she's getting "your kills".

I just use my Paladin with Pistol Amp 3, scope, and barrel mod to stasis and 2 shot phantoms with 200% recharge speed.

Also,bluedevil99 seems to be underestimating biotic explosions. I use
an Asari Adept on Gold, and I can take out a Brute and a Ravager with
3~4 BE's, If I have a Drell Adept on the team we can absolutely destroy
the Reapers's forces. Besides, biotic explosions are an AoE attack,
combine that with the high damage and you've got one of the most
effective tactics on the game.

erikage wrote...

What it comes down to is if you feel to complain how someone else plays then you're not very good and rely heavily on your team. Just tried Gold(tried silver yesterday 3 times), it's still a damn good tactic. The goal is to kill the enemies, not how you kill them.

Edit: Shoot, stasis, reload. Shoot, stasis reload. It's not that hard unless you're really bad at this game. You kill the enemies you can kill easily with the earlier shots, stasis the ones while you give yourself time to kill them. Also, if a teamate kills the stasis'd enemy. Bam, good to go. Try that on Gold. Works easily. You have to be systematic with any class on Gold.

People can choose to play however they want & others can also CHOOSE NOT to play with them if it means they're just going to waste their time getting credits

the point is to succeed on Gold & you kill much faster & more things faster with Biotic Area effect explosions every 2 or 3 seconds than using stasis every 8 seconds with a Widow/Black Widow.

Using a LIGHT Mantis X or light Valiant is fine but heavy snipers makes the gold run take longer than necessary.

--I run hours of gold runs almost every day (99% success rate with friends, 90% success rate with randoms who use good strategies which don't include AA with heavy snipers, LOL) -

I can carry people on Gold, usually even completing Gold with just 3 people so sometimes we'll just powerlevel a level 1 char on Gold (level 1 with Widow X is doable) but there's no question it's FASTER & easier if there's a 4th person who can spam Biotic/Tech explosions, Decoy, cloaked Energy Drain/Sabotage + Widow X shots vs. some AA doing stasis every 8 seconds on UNARMORED enemies + headshot

--why not get a Infiltrator with a Widow instead who can spam Energy Drain/Sabotage & Cloak double damage bonus (+90%-130%) every ~3 seconds instead of an AA with Widow with stasis every 8 seconds with NO cloak double-damage?

Sure, AA with widow is doable on gold --it just takes longer than than an equivalent Infiltrator or AA spamming detonations

-I encourage people to Experiment & mess around on Bronze/Silver with crazy weapons/builds like arc pistol, SMGs, GPR, & weird skill combos
like AA with heavy snipers just for shizz & giggles but when it comes to earning credits fast on Gold, most people don't want to waste their 20 mins or do 40 min gold runs

THAT'S A FACT that Biotic Explosions are the most damaging things on Gold since it scales up based on difficulty level according to Bioware Dev posts.. and as a AA, you can set off detonations every 2 or 3 seconds

Compare that to a 8 second stasis + time to line up headshot AA (ya, Stasis drops to about every 8 secs using a heavy sniper)

Throw is 1.23 secs & Warp is 2.3 secs & Stasis is 3.3 secs at +200% cooldown

any AA who uses heavy snipers on Gold is unfamililar with Gold game mechanics, math,

what works on Bronze & maybe Silver will NOT cut it on Gold

it's funny to see people who rarely do gold successfuly come on here posting their Bronze/Silver strategies thinking it'll work on gold

+1, this guy understands.

[Doom Lich]

Apparently your not supposed to build your infiltrator for close combat meele'ing. But I did.

#Dealwithit

[azile0]

You're right, I hate it when people have fun. Curse them for enjoying themselves while participating in this SERIOUS business. Gold runs are disciplined endeavors that require vast amounts of focus and determination. Fun and good feelings are unacceptable.