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[mrcanada]

N3xium_Crash wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

FadingPhil wrote...

The issue can be fixed in a week by Sony going from " No we wont allow it" to "yes we will allow it".

If you are familiar with corporate environments, this never, ever happens.

I'll take that as a concession. Its about time.

I know its hard to blame Sony. You know with their impeccable record of treating their costumers with respect and care, but Sony is known for these seamingly asinine and unilateral moves.

I'm doing no such thing.  The points are what they are and this game isn't all of a sudden the exception to something that isn't an issue on the platform.  I've never heard of technical limitations on cross platform games and events.  Have you?  I don't buy this excuse when everything else points to the contrary.

I have no love for Sony as a company and would be ranting on them just as much if I felt it was their fault.  I just don't see it.

Perhaps you don't see it because Sony has indoctrinated you? Just a thought.

Jokes over my friend.

[Nocturnalfox]

If Bioware can explain clearly and precisely what the problem is without resorting to "Blame Sony" or "technical issues" I will accept it.

Because honestly if the 360 can handle it then the PS3 definitely can.

[MarshNF]

aren't PS3 users used to be left out of things by now?

i mean you should have gotten the hint by now. you own the only Console that gets features removed with updates.

the next thing you will see is that the PS3s online functionality will be removed to enhance the user experience.

i bet the PS3 is part of a pratical joke between sony and apple to find out how stupid customers are.

Modifié par MarshNF, 26 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[Cicero.me]

mrcanada wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

Warning. Some Pictures and words might be offensive.
Its crass ,but does a good job describing Sony's attitude towards costumers.

http://www.thebestpa...u=sony_bullshit

If anyone knows the code to link things then let me know.

Opinion and the PSP didn't suck.  Also, alarm alarm, big companies don't care about you.  This isn't a Sony exclusive mandate.

Some of it is opinion ,but it lists actual Sony Blunders. Yes while big companies do not care. Sony believes that they can screw their costumers without consequences. I do not see how this is not Sony's fault.

[PimpingPanda]

mrcanada wrote...

Jokes over my friend.

No, it has only just begun.

[N3xium_Crash]

MarshNF wrote...

aren't PS3 users used to be left out of things by now?

i mean you should have gotten the hint by now. you own the only Console that gets features removed with updates.

the next thing you will see is that the PS3s online functionality will be removed to enhance the user experience.

i bet the PS3 is part of a pratical joke between sony and apple to find out how stupid customers are.

Yes they are going after "Company Troll of the Year Award" of course I hear they have heavy competition this year. Want to guess who else is a nominee?

[Aarek]

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

[bloodDragon80]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

Personally I think Bioware are lying.
We know they can put stuff in like the packs, we know they all ready collect PS3 data (check the box in the options).
I think they are playing favourites.
Then they have evaded everytime someone says "well what is the issue with Sony, be specific"

but those don't require player info like the goliath ones did even the bf3 soldier because it has to check the players info to see if they have bf3/did the event i don't think sony liked that.

If they could make the game pick up on you having a previous game, or playing the KoA demo and vice versa for KoA (ME3 demo) for the armour they could of sure done the same for BF3.

koa was a demo promotion no money spent and i'm not completely sure but i think the "check" for unlocking the KOA stuff in me3 was on the demo it self not being sent to servers or whatever it is the data is sent to and the me3 armor(in KOA) is from activating the KOA online pass now why would that be?

[mrcanada]

Cicero.me wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

Warning. Some Pictures and words might be offensive.
Its crass ,but does a good job describing Sony's attitude towards costumers.

http://www.thebestpa...u=sony_bullshit

If anyone knows the code to link things then let me know.

Opinion and the PSP didn't suck.  Also, alarm alarm, big companies don't care about you.  This isn't a Sony exclusive mandate.

Some of it is opinion ,but it lists actual Sony Blunders. Yes while big companies do not care. Sony believes that they can screw their costumers without consequences. I do not see how this is not Sony's fault.

Aside from the theoretical issue (which I will buy if you can find something that defends this, as I have not) how do you see this as Sony's fault when I've listed at least three reasons why it isn't?

[Cicero.me]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

If Bioware can explain clearly and precisely what the problem is without resorting to "Blame Sony" or "technical issues" I will accept it.

Because honestly if the 360 can handle it then the PS3 definitely can.

Nocturnal. I like your posts in the other thread ,but for real. They have explained the technical reason why they cannot implement events. If you cannot accept that its Sony's fault here then I'm sorry. Also, PS 3 has lag for a reason 512 mb > 256 mb.

[Cicero.me]

Aarek wrote...

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

So, people cannot pretend to not see it.

[FadingPhil]

Aarek wrote...

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

[mrcanada]

Aarek wrote...

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

Makes sense, but if participation in the next weeks challenge was allowed due to other platforms successes, why was PS3 not allowed to reap the rewards of the previous week as well?  They couldn't prove any of us cleared a Silver and up challenge, but the Victory pack was the one that was added from the event. PS3 users should have been allowed to reap that reward.  I find it suspect as to why, likewise with the Battlefield event.  It doesn't add up.

[FadingPhil]

mrcanada wrote...

Aarek wrote...

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

Makes sense, but if participation in the next weeks challenge was allowed due to other platforms successes, why was PS3 not allowed to reap the rewards of the previous week as well?  They couldn't prove any of us cleared a Silver and up challenge, but the Victory pack was the one that was added from the event. PS3 users should have been allowed to reap that reward.  I find it suspect as to why, likewise with the Battlefield event.  It doesn't add up.

Err, so you want them to assume that you all did it and give you the pack?

[N3xium_Crash]

mrcanada wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

Warning. Some Pictures and words might be offensive.
Its crass ,but does a good job describing Sony's attitude towards costumers.

http://www.thebestpa...u=sony_bullshit

If anyone knows the code to link things then let me know.

Opinion and the PSP didn't suck.  Also, alarm alarm, big companies don't care about you.  This isn't a Sony exclusive mandate.

Some of it is opinion ,but it lists actual Sony Blunders. Yes while big companies do not care. Sony believes that they can screw their costumers without consequences. I do not see how this is not Sony's fault.

Aside from the theoretical issue (which I will buy if you can find something that defends this, as I have not) how do you see this as Sony's fault when I've listed at least three reasons why it isn't?

You do realize we do not live and breath to prove things to you right? It seems partly hypocritical of you to keep demanding others prove their claims (which actually are true and confirmed) when you will make claims that it is not Sony's fault and provide no proof, article, direct quotation, or reference to justify your stance. Reminds me too much of the kid sticking his fingers in his ear and going "nah nah nah nah nah nah".

[Cyonan]

FadingPhil wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Aarek wrote...

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

Makes sense, but if participation in the next weeks challenge was allowed due to other platforms successes, why was PS3 not allowed to reap the rewards of the previous week as well?  They couldn't prove any of us cleared a Silver and up challenge, but the Victory pack was the one that was added from the event. PS3 users should have been allowed to reap that reward.  I find it suspect as to why, likewise with the Battlefield event.  It doesn't add up.

Err, so you want them to assume that you all did it and give you the pack?

In the case of the Victory pack it was given to everyone on Xbox and PC. I could have gotten that pack without even touching my computer that weekend and therefor not doing anything for the event. I think it should have been patched in for PS3 owners as something even though they couldn't participate(Which is something we know they can do). The commendation pack they unfortinately would not be able to give them which is probably what they would have wanted since the Victory pack was pretty much just a veterans pack.

[Jayhau]

Aarek wrote...

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

While this is probably the most intelligent post in this thread, it is still speculation and inference. Unless I see bioware or Sony officially say one way or another it will remain just that.

Problem is that no one knows exactly what is going on. people fling opinions and speculation around as if it's factual evidence, this is an issue. I think it would help the entire situation if any posts on this subject automatically put in a signature "in my opinion" lol

People are trying to provide evidence for one side or the other are fine, just don't make a leap from supporting information to"omg this is true!"

[Aarek]

mrcanada wrote...

Makes sense, but if participation in the next weeks challenge was allowed due to other platforms successes, why was PS3 not allowed to reap the rewards of the previous week as well?  They couldn't prove any of us cleared a Silver and up challenge, but the Victory pack was the one that was added from the event. PS3 users should have been allowed to reap that reward.  I find it suspect as to why, likewise with the Battlefield event.  It doesn't add up.

The Victory pack required the community to kill a combined one million Brutes.  To collect that information, they would have to collect the data uploaded during player matches.  Since the PS3 user data couldn't be collected by Bioware, they wouldn't be able to tell how many Brutes were killed by PS3 players would they?

Personally I'd have been fine if they awarded the Victory pack to the PS3 players regardless, but from a business standpoint I can see why they didn't.  Since the PS3 player data wasn't used to determine the total number, it wouldn't make sense to reward them for the work of others, would it?

[Gaidax]

Aarek wrote...

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

This, basically...


Also, Sony blows, that is true as well.

[Aarek]

Jayhau wrote...

Aarek wrote...

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

While this is probably the most intelligent post in this thread, it is still speculation and inference. Unless I see bioware or Sony officially say one way or another it will remain just that.

Problem is that no one knows exactly what is going on. people fling opinions and speculation around as if it's factual evidence, this is an issue. I think it would help the entire situation if any posts on this subject automatically put in a signature "in my opinion" lol

People are trying to provide evidence for one side or the other are fine, just don't make a leap from supporting information to"omg this is true!"

If it is all speculation as you say, then would it not make sense for everyone to stop blaming Bioware for something that they have no proof of?

[FadingPhil]

Cyonan wrote...

FadingPhil wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Aarek wrote...

Wow, some of the people in this thread really have no idea how game servers work.

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.

The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.

Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

Makes sense, but if participation in the next weeks challenge was allowed due to other platforms successes, why was PS3 not allowed to reap the rewards of the previous week as well?  They couldn't prove any of us cleared a Silver and up challenge, but the Victory pack was the one that was added from the event. PS3 users should have been allowed to reap that reward.  I find it suspect as to why, likewise with the Battlefield event.  It doesn't add up.

Err, so you want them to assume that you all did it and give you the pack?

In the case of the Victory pack it was given to everyone on Xbox and PC. I could have gotten that pack without even touching my computer that weekend and therefor not doing anything for the event. I think it should have been patched in for PS3 owners as something even though they couldn't participate(Which is something we know they can do). The commendation pack they unfortinately would not be able to give them which is probably what they would have wanted since the Victory pack was pretty much just a veterans pack.

The Vic pack was for killing Brutes

[Cyonan]

FadingPhil wrote...
The Vic pack was for killing Brutes

Which they could have given them since the community killed 3 million Brutes.

The "but they didn't do any work for it" argument is invalid because PC/Xbox users also could have done no work and still gotten the pack. The commendation pack is the only one they couldn't have tracked, they could have easily just used the PC/Xbox numbers to give the PS3 users the Victory pack. It's not like we needed 1 million for each platform, just 1 million overall.

Modifié par Cyonan, 26 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[Geimhreadh]

Suddenly I'm really glad I don't care about online multiplayer on my PS3. That's what I have my computer for.

[Jayhau]

I can't quote long posts on my phone

but Aarak, yes. That is my point. Both sides of the conversation are equally guilty. I believe blame shouldn't be tossed around to anyone until we have all the facts, the rest is just getting people upset and feeding the fire.

I mean we are all gamers regardless of methods. I primarily play on pc, does that make me hate anyone who doesn't use one? Were ps3 fans upset when dark souls was made for Xbox users to play? Or final fantasy? Or whatever! We should be happy to expand communities and get everyone's say involved. Exclusivity and elitism stifles creativity without discussion.

Edit: damn you autocorrect!

Modifié par Jayhau, 26 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[Aarek]

Cyonan wrote...

FadingPhil wrote...
The Vic pack was for killing Brutes

Which they could have given them since the community killed 3 million Brutes.

The "but they didn't do any work for it" argument is invalid because PC/Xbox users also could have done no work and still gotten the pack. The commendation pack is the only one they couldn't have tracked, they could have easily just used the PC/Xbox numbers to give the PS3 users the Victory pack. It's not like we needed 1 million for each platform, just 1 million overall.

PC and 360 communities were the ones who contributed the numbers for the event, due to the data from the PS3 community not being able to be collected.  Bioware rewarded the communities that were involved in the event.

It's unfortunate that the PS3 had to be excluded, and I do hope Sony allows Bioware to collect the player feedback data for the next event.