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[Danae]

Oh please. Don't do the whole condescending, I am better than you approach. That doesn't work with me. First of all I have never attacked any other characters. Yes I did say cannon fodder, but I never stated which ones were and were not did I? So that is your interpretation of what I said. See I did that on purpose to see who would interpret it that way... You won. 

The point of my whole post is proven. People who have an affinity to (insert character here) are simply comparing and that is the fundamental problem. It's a natural reation, but when you think a little further, every character in this game had different levels of importance. no one is getting on Tali's importance, or Miranda (who is very important in this trilogy). 

This is honestly no surprise to me. Liara has the MOST importance which guarantee she will have a fan-hate-base. 

But looking at the entire series, Garrus, Tali, Miranda out of all of the LI's have great importance, but no one is hating on them. In fact throughout this whole "My LI vs your LI" thing since ME2, Liara fans are the most non-violent. Tali fans are abrasive, Miranda fans... OMG, and Ashley/Kaidan fans are simply more defensive if anything from the Tali/Miranda fans. 

Liara fans are almost never involved in any hating (at least not that I've seen). 

So once again, don't do that... just don't do that.

Condescending? Incorrect. You're being defensive, so I'll excuse the assumption on your part about my attitude. I was merely pointing out the vast holes in your argument for you with the hope that you would correct them and see outside of your bubble. I think it's also a pretty large assumption on your part to claim that Liara has the most importance. To who, precisely? To the story? To Shepard? We're getting into some pretty subjective territory, here. To Shepard, it would depend on who your Shepard is most emotionally attached to. For the story? It's established in ME3, Liara acknowledging it, that Shepard has more knowledge about the Protheans than she herself does.

Liara's presence in the party is not a necessity at all except for Thessia (unless you want to count the beginning missions, where she's present because you literally can't take anyone else). I couldn't speak on part of any fandoms, as I have purposefully avoided many of them for the sake of avoiding claiming one character is more important, or more interesting, than any other to someone else. I know which ones are more interesting and important to me, to my Shepard, and that's enough for me.

But, that doesn't change that you're still taking part in the behavior you're ranting at others for. In the Mass Effect universe, there really aren't any cannon fodder characters. That's the point of the game. There's supposed to be an emotional tug on the heart strings for each character, whether you like or dislike them. To refer to any character as cannon fodder is dismissing them entirely, which is anathema to the emotional rollercoaster of the game. Is it possible that not all Liara fans are like you? Sure! I'm a Liara fan, even if my Shepard hasn't romanced her. To excuse your behavior away because such-and-such fandom is somehow "worse" according to you is a pretty weak argument, though.

Modifié par Danae, 26 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[wasawsolos]

Plus, the asari are the most advanced race so the reapers hit them the hardest.

[Paparob]

Barquiel wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Thessia was TAKEN, unlike Earth and Palaven.

Earth WAS taken. You help RE-take part of London so you can get to the Citadel. The codex entry even says "The Fall of Earth".

I expressed myself wrong. Thessia was LOST, no resistence left there, unlike Earth and Palaven. The councilor was making plans for the preservation of the species. It was more like what happened to batarians. Well, maybe not exactly like the batarians because Thessia was taken closer to the last part of the war anyway.

Thessia probably fared much better than Earth and Palaven because the war ends shortly after the fall of the planet (the reapers don't have enough time to harvest the whole population). Of course Liara couldn't have known this.

I personally doubt that to be honest. Communication was competely lost with Thessia. The Asari are the most advanced race in this cycle, I have to believe they would have several well hidden, well dugin emergency communications systems in the event of a crisis. If those are gone I'm honestly thinking they are really screwed.

[pomrink]

Whoa this is turning into a flamewar. I just wanted to know why Liara gets a disproportionate amount of dialogue/ other characters speaking about her compared to after palaven or whatnot. Not reasons why Liara is perfect or is horrible.

By the way, I was a fan of Liara, but now I've OD'd on her.

[sistersafetypin]

This thread... just, lol. It should be renamed FAN WARS! My question about the Liara hate is, I hadn't noticed it before. I don't particularly care enough to argue about it though. So *shrug*

But I do have to clarify one thing. Liara never says, "Perhaps more than friends..." She says: "Just... Friends." And I've played that part as both someone who was romancing her and someone who wasn't

[Danae]

pomrink wrote...

Whoa this is turning into a flamewar. I just wanted to know why Liara gets a disproportionate amount of dialogue/ other characters speaking about her compared to after palaven or whatnot. Not reasons why Liara is perfect or is horrible.

By the way, I was a fan of Liara, but now I've OD'd on her.

I'm still not really sure that Liara has more dialogue than other characters in the game, but there may be some truth to this, since many people felt that way? I do intend to have a third playthrough (wee, insanity), and will keep an eye on it out of curiosity. But, I didn't feel that my Shepard spoke more to Liara than she did Kaidan (and I was thorough). Liara got more face time than say... Tali, Miranda and so on, but I think that may be partially due to the fact that Liara is present in the game from the word 'Go!'

[DigitalMaster37]

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

So I'll ask again... You mad bro?

Trollingattemptisfailtrollgtfo. 


EDIT:
I'll be honest, yes. Your attitude pisses me off now more than Liara. 
I can't really enjoy my LI when Liara's presence repeatedly get's forced on me can I? 

Then I suggest you turn on your ignore-Liara button. Grow up and play the damn game. Or stop playing it, but just spewing hate only shows your draws and no one elses. Your hate for Liara is no skin off my back, but my first post was laughing at the thread generally which didn't NEED a reply, but obviously people have a problem with me questioning their hate and/or laughing at the nonsensical perspective of said hate. You're only proving me right with every word that comes out of your mouth. 

[Karrie788]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

if this is your point of view, then what I said is clearly not aimed at you. Don't take offense, I am in no offending position anyway. I am just replying to the thread questioning the validity of it as well as the sense of it. I am not trying to stop the conversation, I am only asking questions and bringing out things that people are clearly not thinking about. That is all.

No offense taken. I like debating.
Then again, I don't see how the thread's validity is to be questioned. The OP asked a legitimate question, in my eyes. I'm in no place to criticize, and I am not trying to, but if you want to bring out points people haven't thought about, there are more effective (and civil) ways to do so than just saying "get over it".

[syroz]

Drake_1000 wrote...

syroz wrote...

I love the little war between Tali and Liaramencers. Fans will never be taken serly by BW about the end till we got those fights.

Because we are a Talimancer we are a annoying virgin brat of 12 years old ? Im 25 and have a wife, in ME Tali is cute and Liara annoying, that's my statement for these two characters. Think that doesnt mean you cant argue about serious stuff like the endings.

Iam 25 too, i "choose" Tali as romance because i like the character (and i because i cant say no). Having request about Liara as "she got too much attention blablabla and what about Taliii??" is childish. And more than ever in ME3 when if u want, tali can be a (the?) main character. And Talimencers still crying about it, it is very annoying.

Anyway i found romance a bit ridiculous in ME3, to please the fans that are use to romance in BW games. Poor dialogue, useless and badly implement in the story (too many different romances?). But that s not an issue, u have full choice in this game. Next time (if new endings) no romance for me, no time for that when the galaxy is in danger 

Modifié par syroz, 26 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[Shajar]

pomrink wrote...

Drake_1000 wrote...

It's a shame she's the only one squadmate you cant kill after the 3 games.

i was just thinking this

So do i, damn writers love her too much 

[shurryy]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

So I'll ask again... You mad bro?

Trollingattemptisfailtrollgtfo. 


EDIT:
I'll be honest, yes. Your attitude pisses me off now more than Liara. 
I can't really enjoy my LI when Liara's presence repeatedly get's forced on me can I? 

Then I suggest you turn on your ignore-Liara button. Grow up and play the damn game. Or stop playing it, but just spewing hate only shows your draws and no one elses. Your hate for Liara is no skin off my back, but my first post was laughing at the thread generally which didn't NEED a reply, but obviously people have a problem with me questioning their hate and/or laughing at the nonsensical perspective of said hate. You're only proving me right with every word that comes out of your mouth. 

The fact that your post was introduced in a way that was intended to provoke the counterfanbase of Liara, yes I felt it needed a reply. Just drop the attitude, that's all I'm asking as it's unnecessary. 

Also I'd point you to Danae's post further up. 

[Srefanius]

This discussion is unneccessary. At first please don't compare all the characters too much, cause they are different, thats the point of individual characters. You might compare Liara with Tali and if you do that, you will see they have quite equal reactions. If the quarians survive there is no loss for her, they have back their home world either way, but her real home up to then is the flotilla. Guess what happens, when it gets destroyed cause of you choices... For Liara its a bit better, cause she "only" loses one planet, but stil its her home. That Garrus as a turian, Wrex as a krogan or even Legion as a geth react with less emotion, well I don't think that must be explained.

[DigitalMaster37]

Danae wrote...

Oh please. Don't do the whole condescending, I am better than you approach. That doesn't work with me. First of all I have never attacked any other characters. Yes I did say cannon fodder, but I never stated which ones were and were not did I? So that is your interpretation of what I said. See I did that on purpose to see who would interpret it that way... You won. 

The point of my whole post is proven. People who have an affinity to (insert character here) are simply comparing and that is the fundamental problem. It's a natural reation, but when you think a little further, every character in this game had different levels of importance. no one is getting on Tali's importance, or Miranda (who is very important in this trilogy). 

This is honestly no surprise to me. Liara has the MOST importance which guarantee she will have a fan-hate-base. 

But looking at the entire series, Garrus, Tali, Miranda out of all of the LI's have great importance, but no one is hating on them. In fact throughout this whole "My LI vs your LI" thing since ME2, Liara fans are the most non-violent. Tali fans are abrasive, Miranda fans... OMG, and Ashley/Kaidan fans are simply more defensive if anything from the Tali/Miranda fans. 

Liara fans are almost never involved in any hating (at least not that I've seen). 

So once again, don't do that... just don't do that.

Condescending? Incorrect. You're being defensive, so I'll excuse the assumption on your part about my attitude. I was merely pointing out the vast holes in your argument for you with the hope that you would correct them and see outside of your bubble. I think it's also a pretty large assumption on your part to claim that Liara has the most importance. To who, precisely? To the story? To Shepard? We're getting into some pretty subjective territory, here. To Shepard, it would depend on who your Shepard is most emotionally attached to. For the story? It's established in ME3, Liara acknowledging it, that Shepard has more knowledge about the Protheans than she herself does.

Liara's presence in the party is not a necessity at all except for Thessia (unless you want to count the beginning missions, where she's present because you literally can't take anyone else). I couldn't speak on part of any fandoms, as I have purposefully avoided many of them for the sake of avoiding claiming one character is more important, or more interesting, than any other to someone else. I know which ones are more interesting and important to me, to my Shepard, and that's enough for me.

But, that doesn't change that you're still taking part in the behavior you're ranting at others for. In the Mass Effect universe, there really aren't any cannon fodder characters. That's the point of the game. There's supposed to be an emotional tug on the heart strings for each character, whether you like or dislike them. To refer to any character as cannon fodder is dismissing them entirely, which is anathema to the emotional rollercoaster of the game. Is it possible that not all Liara fans are like you? Sure! I'm a Liara fan, even if my Shepard hasn't romanced her. To excuse your behavior away because such-and-such fandom is somehow "worse" according to you is a pretty weak argument, though.

For one you keep accusing me of ranting. I am discussing my point of view in relation to this thread. That is only being seen as trolling because it opposes the synopsis of this thread. 

Let me indulge you on that whole Subjective thing:

Liara is indeed the most important squadmate character in the game outside of Shepard, anderson, Hackett and a few others. Let's argue the point:

ME1:

- Prothean expert, reads Shepards thoughts, MUST be recruited and reveals Ilos as the location in his thoughts which are critical to the success of ME1's campaign. 

ME1- ME2: 

- Saves Shepards body in colusion with Miranda and Cerberus. She is singlehandedly (with Feron) responsible for securing his body though. If I stopped here, the argument has been made, but let me keep going...

ME2:

- Becomes the Shadow Broker and simultaneously becomes a huge plot driving force in the series going forward. 

- Out of all of the characters she CANNOT be killed off. This single handedly ensures her continuity in everyone's game. (where most of her hate comes from believe it or not)

ME3: Is responsible yet again for helping Shepard at a critical point in the lore and campaing where without her, there is no continuing. Mars.



There is NO other character with as much importance and who has given more help to Shepard where he needed it. Point blank. There is simply no argument. That is solidly OBJECTIVE. Romance-wise it becomes subjective. 

[DigitalMaster37]

Karrie788 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

if this is your point of view, then what I said is clearly not aimed at you. Don't take offense, I am in no offending position anyway. I am just replying to the thread questioning the validity of it as well as the sense of it. I am not trying to stop the conversation, I am only asking questions and bringing out things that people are clearly not thinking about. That is all.

No offense taken. I like debating.
Then again, I don't see how the thread's validity is to be questioned. The OP asked a legitimate question, in my eyes. I'm in no place to criticize, and I am not trying to, but if you want to bring out points people haven't thought about, there are more effective (and civil) ways to do so than just saying "get over it".

Well I just matched the intensity of the OP's and others statements. it was fitting to add a "GET OVER IT" to a 'I HATE LIARA WITH A PASSION!!111!!11"

Maybe I should have said, "ah just play the game" cause that is pretty much saying the same thing

[Foolsfolly]

Rocktel wrote...

Because someone in the writing team probably really likes Liara.

That's obvious if you play any other romance in the game as well.

[pomrink]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

if this is your point of view, then what I said is clearly not aimed at you. Don't take offense, I am in no offending position anyway. I am just replying to the thread questioning the validity of it as well as the sense of it. I am not trying to stop the conversation, I am only asking questions and bringing out things that people are clearly not thinking about. That is all.

No offense taken. I like debating.
Then again, I don't see how the thread's validity is to be questioned. The OP asked a legitimate question, in my eyes. I'm in no place to criticize, and I am not trying to, but if you want to bring out points people haven't thought about, there are more effective (and civil) ways to do so than just saying "get over it".

Well I just matched the intensity of the OP's and others statements. it was fitting to add a "GET OVER IT" to a 'I HATE LIARA WITH A PASSION!!111!!11"

Maybe I should have said, "ah just play the game" cause that is pretty much saying the same thing

My post wasn't intense. It was sardonic.

[Karrie788]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

if this is your point of view, then what I said is clearly not aimed at you. Don't take offense, I am in no offending position anyway. I am just replying to the thread questioning the validity of it as well as the sense of it. I am not trying to stop the conversation, I am only asking questions and bringing out things that people are clearly not thinking about. That is all.

No offense taken. I like debating.
Then again, I don't see how the thread's validity is to be questioned. The OP asked a legitimate question, in my eyes. I'm in no place to criticize, and I am not trying to, but if you want to bring out points people haven't thought about, there are more effective (and civil) ways to do so than just saying "get over it".

Well I just matched the intensity of the OP's and others statements. it was fitting to add a "GET OVER IT" to a 'I HATE LIARA WITH A PASSION!!111!!11"

Maybe I should have said, "ah just play the game" cause that is pretty much saying the same thing

I suppose. Not my method, but to each his own.

[Barquiel]

Paparob wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Thessia was TAKEN, unlike Earth and Palaven.

Earth WAS taken. You help RE-take part of London so you can get to the Citadel. The codex entry even says "The Fall of Earth".

I expressed myself wrong. Thessia was LOST, no resistence left there, unlike Earth and Palaven. The councilor was making plans for the preservation of the species. It was more like what happened to batarians. Well, maybe not exactly like the batarians because Thessia was taken closer to the last part of the war anyway.

Thessia probably fared much better than Earth and Palaven because the war ends shortly after the fall of the planet (the reapers don't have enough time to harvest the whole population). Of course Liara couldn't have known this.

I personally doubt that to be honest. Communication was competely lost with Thessia. The Asari are the most advanced race in this cycle, I have to believe they would have several well hidden, well dugin emergency communications systems in the event of a crisis. If those are gone I'm honestly thinking they are really screwed.

Maybe the asari thought Thessia would never fall and they didn't install emergency communications systems...I don't know. According to the codex, there are 400 processor ships on earth, killing 1,86 millions humans per day. Even if the reapers were sending twice as many ships to Thessia, there should be less civilian casualties.
I'd imagine the war ended a couple of days after the fall of the planet (2 main missions).

[felipejiraya]

This thread is awesome.

[pomrink]

How was my opening post intense?

[DigitalMaster37]

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

So I'll ask again... You mad bro?

Trollingattemptisfailtrollgtfo. 


EDIT:
I'll be honest, yes. Your attitude pisses me off now more than Liara. 
I can't really enjoy my LI when Liara's presence repeatedly get's forced on me can I? 

Then I suggest you turn on your ignore-Liara button. Grow up and play the damn game. Or stop playing it, but just spewing hate only shows your draws and no one elses. Your hate for Liara is no skin off my back, but my first post was laughing at the thread generally which didn't NEED a reply, but obviously people have a problem with me questioning their hate and/or laughing at the nonsensical perspective of said hate. You're only proving me right with every word that comes out of your mouth. 

The fact that your post was introduced in a way that was intended to provoke the counterfanbase of Liara, yes I felt it needed a reply. Just drop the attitude, that's all I'm asking as it's unnecessary. 

Also I'd point you to Danae's post further up. 

you read emotions pretty incorrectly. I have no attitude, I'd like to know what I said to make you percieve such a thing. I am simply discussing this .. point of view. I think you are the one with the attitude with the tone of your post which anyone can see is peppered with angst. 

[Danae]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Danae wrote...

Oh please. Don't do the whole condescending, I am better than you approach. That doesn't work with me. First of all I have never attacked any other characters. Yes I did say cannon fodder, but I never stated which ones were and were not did I? So that is your interpretation of what I said. See I did that on purpose to see who would interpret it that way... You won. 

The point of my whole post is proven. People who have an affinity to (insert character here) are simply comparing and that is the fundamental problem. It's a natural reation, but when you think a little further, every character in this game had different levels of importance. no one is getting on Tali's importance, or Miranda (who is very important in this trilogy). 

This is honestly no surprise to me. Liara has the MOST importance which guarantee she will have a fan-hate-base. 

But looking at the entire series, Garrus, Tali, Miranda out of all of the LI's have great importance, but no one is hating on them. In fact throughout this whole "My LI vs your LI" thing since ME2, Liara fans are the most non-violent. Tali fans are abrasive, Miranda fans... OMG, and Ashley/Kaidan fans are simply more defensive if anything from the Tali/Miranda fans. 

Liara fans are almost never involved in any hating (at least not that I've seen). 

So once again, don't do that... just don't do that.

Condescending? Incorrect. You're being defensive, so I'll excuse the assumption on your part about my attitude. I was merely pointing out the vast holes in your argument for you with the hope that you would correct them and see outside of your bubble. I think it's also a pretty large assumption on your part to claim that Liara has the most importance. To who, precisely? To the story? To Shepard? We're getting into some pretty subjective territory, here. To Shepard, it would depend on who your Shepard is most emotionally attached to. For the story? It's established in ME3, Liara acknowledging it, that Shepard has more knowledge about the Protheans than she herself does.

Liara's presence in the party is not a necessity at all except for Thessia (unless you want to count the beginning missions, where she's present because you literally can't take anyone else). I couldn't speak on part of any fandoms, as I have purposefully avoided many of them for the sake of avoiding claiming one character is more important, or more interesting, than any other to someone else. I know which ones are more interesting and important to me, to my Shepard, and that's enough for me.

But, that doesn't change that you're still taking part in the behavior you're ranting at others for. In the Mass Effect universe, there really aren't any cannon fodder characters. That's the point of the game. There's supposed to be an emotional tug on the heart strings for each character, whether you like or dislike them. To refer to any character as cannon fodder is dismissing them entirely, which is anathema to the emotional rollercoaster of the game. Is it possible that not all Liara fans are like you? Sure! I'm a Liara fan, even if my Shepard hasn't romanced her. To excuse your behavior away because such-and-such fandom is somehow "worse" according to you is a pretty weak argument, though.

For one you keep accusing me of ranting. I am discussing my point of view in relation to this thread. That is only being seen as trolling because it opposes the synopsis of this thread. 

Let me indulge you on that whole Subjective thing:

Liara is indeed the most important squadmate character in the game outside of Shepard, anderson, Hackett and a few others. Let's argue the point:

ME1:

- Prothean expert, reads Shepards thoughts, MUST be recruited and reveals Ilos as the location in his thoughts which are critical to the success of ME1's campaign. 

ME1- ME2: 

- Saves Shepards body in colusion with Miranda and Cerberus. She is singlehandedly (with Feron) responsible for securing his body though. If I stopped here, the argument has been made, but let me keep going...

ME2:

- Becomes the Shadow Broker and simultaneously becomes a huge plot driving force in the series going forward. 

- Out of all of the characters she CANNOT be killed off. This single handedly ensures her continuity in everyone's game. (where most of her hate comes from believe it or not)

ME3: Is responsible yet again for helping Shepard at a critical point in the lore and campaing where without her, there is no continuing. Mars.



There is NO other character with as much importance and who has given more help to Shepard where he needed it. Point blank. There is simply no argument. That is solidly OBJECTIVE. Romance-wise it becomes subjective. 

The bit about ME1 and partially ME2 is correct, though I do believe Cerberus was already looking for Shepard's body. Also, the inability to "kill her off" is irrelevant; it doesn't make her "more" important, it means that Shepard has no real reason to kill her. I never said Liara wasn't important, but I don't feel her to be more important than other characters. Aside from the Mars project, Liara does very little else during the course of ME3. She doesn't even help build or theorize ways to improve the Crucible.

And I'm not going to argue it further, because to me there's no reason to. You're using her importance to justify... what? Calling the rest of the squad cannon fodder? Each character plays an intricately important role in Shepard's life and story. Yes, Liara was quite useful as a scientist. Are you going to claim that the soldiers at Shepard's back, the people you took with you on missions, were somehow less useful despite the fact that they aided Shepard and kept him/her alive?

How about Cortez? Without whom Shepard could have easily been stranded or endangered in a multitude of ways if it weren't for a clever pilot? What of EDI, who on countless occasions protected the Normandy, even when it was against her programming to do so? Joker? Come on, now. You cannot possibly be serious.

[FellishBeast]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

http://ts1.mm.bing.n...pg?t=1295078540

Liara's the one that obviously took it the hardest. Garrus was upset, but he could deal with it. Shepard could, Ashley, James, etc. could handle the grief of the homeworlds being trashed by the Reapers. Liara was obviously shaken and in shambles over the situation, and she felt guilty (and some responsibility) over the fall of Thessia, and it wasn't her fault. She needed someone to console her.

Plus, Liara's so sweet. She needed the most attention. Facts, bro.

Hm. The fact that your avatar, signature, and post all have pictures of Liara in them, I conclude that you are not biased at all.

[shurryy]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

For one you keep accusing me of ranting. I am discussing my point of view in relation to this thread. That is only being seen as trolling because it opposes the synopsis of this thread. 

Let me indulge you on that whole Subjective thing:

Liara is indeed the most important squadmate character in the game outside of Shepard, anderson, Hackett and a few others. Let's argue the point:

ME1:

- Prothean expert, reads Shepards thoughts, MUST be recruited and reveals Ilos as the location in his thoughts which are critical to the success of ME1's campaign. 

ME1- ME2: 

- Saves Shepards body in colusion with Miranda and Cerberus. She is singlehandedly (with Feron) responsible for securing his body though. If I stopped here, the argument has been made, but let me keep going...

ME2:

- Becomes the Shadow Broker and simultaneously becomes a huge plot driving force in the series going forward. 

- Out of all of the characters she CANNOT be killed off. This single handedly ensures her continuity in everyone's game. (where most of her hate comes from believe it or not)

ME3: Is responsible yet again for helping Shepard at a critical point in the lore and campaing where without her, there is no continuing. Mars.



There is NO other character with as much importance and who has given more help to Shepard where he needed it. Point blank. There is simply no argument. That is solidly OBJECTIVE. Romance-wise it becomes subjective. 

ME1:
Will give you that. 

ME2: 
A huge plot driving force in 2? Nope... If you didn't have the DLC, help her out with a few hacks, kthxbye. 
Becomes the Shadow Broker but doesn't use her Broker Powers to help Shepard directly, and when asked to come along, she refuses because she needs to execute her "Revenge" on the broker. So much for aiding Shepard in the suicide mission where he had a chance of dying for real huh?

ME3: 
Huge plot driving force yet? Don't see it... She sure has a lot of fancy stuff but it's strange how useless it becomes when the reapers eliminate your every agent. 
A few batarian mercenaries is all I recall gaining for war assets after speaking to the broker volus contact Barla Von. 
On Mars, is NOT needed to come along, I don't remember where she is specifically needed to get past a hindrance in the way on Mars. Could've brought James along, but NOPE! No choice! You have to bring Liara instead of sending her back to the shuttle...
Thank god James makes use of himself though, crashing a shuttle into the escaping VI. . . Although the damn thing had guns. 

EDIT:

Quick reminder on who stuck by Shepards side all three games... 
Turian, Name starts with a G, wears blue.
Quarian, Name starts with a T, wears purple.

Modifié par shurryy, 26 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[dmonorato]

Considering that Liara is 109 years old, and that her race can live upward of a thousand years she really is the equivalent of a human teenager or even a preteen. Raging hormones and emotions and all that teenaged angst crap going on, so it's not surprising she loses it.