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[hand-o_death547]

I thought the mission on Thessia was executed greatly, and the feeling of loss was also very good. I can see why she would be upset about it, but I wish there was an option to tell her to get over it. Just like I wished there was an option to tell Wrex to quit whining about his damned genophage.....

[ravene]

Im not shure i dident like that after thayne died no one said a word aobut it weather you were friends or thayne is you li, with mordin you got a bit of dilog with joker but not much at all on him, same with legion, after each death i made the rounds on the normandy and all i got was auto dilog that had nothing to do with any of it, as far as making shep seem more emotional me3 failed with the nightmares about a stupid kid that had no conection to shep other than shep seeing him die if it had been fallen crew members in the nightmare instead of just the voices it would have been better. but as far as conforting liara i dident bother didnet think there would be a suck it up everyone is losing poeple to the reapers line so i jsut walked away and never went to talk to her.

as far as liara goes i ingore her as much as the game alows bioware did her no faviors in the way they did her char in the the mass effect series. in me1 she was ok in 2 she turned into a creepy stalker and in 3 she is pushed way to much in the story its soposed to be sheps story not shep and liaras unfortunaly bioware missed the mark on that.

ps taking javik along  on thessia  the the best reason to have liara along on that mission.

Modifié par ravene, 26 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[shurryy]

Actually I liked bringing Javik along on this mission, he kept telling Liara to stop whining and accept the truth as it is... Bless that crazy hyper advanced ancient space troll.

[RedChannels]

Icophesis wrote...

Nobody cares too much when Tali and the Quarians die either.

I don't think that's true. In my playthrough, everyone on the ship seemed really beat up about it after.

[DigitalMaster37]

Danae wrote...

The bit about ME1 and partially ME2 is correct, though I do believe Cerberus was already looking for Shepard's body. Also, the inability to "kill her off" is irrelevant; it doesn't make her "more" important, it means that Shepard has no real reason to kill her. I never said Liara wasn't important, but I don't feel her to be more important than other characters. Aside from the Mars project, Liara does very little else during the course of ME3. She doesn't even help build or theorize ways to improve the Crucible.

Did you read the comic? Yeah they were looking for him, but Liara is the one who made it happen and actually found and secured his body from the Shadow Broker. The whole inability to kill her off does have an implication. It implies that she was "armored" for story reason and after playing ME3, we can see why. She is the Shadow Broker and has a few important parts within the game. She is Shepards second in command basically, has her own line to Hackett and Alliance command. 

And to the second highlighted area.. you've got to be kidding me. You must not have went to talk to her at every chance then, which would answer why you said that. She is one of the main "scientist" who did help you figure the whole thing out. that is what she is doing while in that office of hers. 

And I'm not going to argue it further, because to me there's no reason to. You're using her importance to justify... what? Calling the rest of the squad cannon fodder? Each character plays an intricately important role in Shepard's life and story. Yes, Liara was quite useful as a scientist. Are you going to claim that the soldiers at Shepard's back, the people you took with you on missions, were somehow less useful despite the fact that they aided Shepard and kept him/her alive?

No. But the fact remains that she is the MOST important squaddie and that alone is what this is all about. People are hating on her mostly for this. People will say what they want, but anyone who looks deep enough know it boils down to comparisonitis. People are just mad that (insert character here) doesn't have plot armor as thick as Liara's. That to me is chldish. 

How about Cortez? Without whom Shepard could have easily been stranded or endangered in a multitude of ways if it weren't for a clever pilot? What of EDI, who on countless occasions protected the Normandy, even when it was against her programming to do so? Joker? Come on, now. You cannot possibly be serious.

In an earlier post I alluded to the fact that every character has different degrees of importance. Anyone could have replaced Cortez, but you can't say the same of Liara. As a matter of fact, almost every other character is replaced by someone else. 

- Tali is replaceable with another quarian if she didn't make it into ME3
- Wrex - Wreav
- Mordin - another Salarian
- Garrus is not replaced but can be absent
- Grunt is replaced by random Arlak (spelling) company leader
- Miranda is replaced by her sister (I guess, that's what I heard at least)
- Ashley can be dead in two games
- Same for Kaidan


Just sayin. Not hating, cause I really don't care enough, but this thread, as I said, is amusing. 

[DranakShadow]

RenownedRyan wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

Answers question, thread now over.

^

[BatmanPWNS]

Mac faps to her probably and wants us to as well.

[The Angry One]

DranakShadow wrote...

RenownedRyan wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

Answers question, thread now over.

^

Read the posts in the topic, Thessia is not the only world lost, by far.
You can hardly compare Tuchanka and Rannoch, the Reapers spared a grand total of one destroyer for each one.

[Aaleel]

They were holding on Pavalen with the Krogan assistance, and on Rannoch Tali was picking out where her house was going to go and talking about how Geth were making it possible to live without suits in a few years. It was all good on Rannoch for the most part.  Tuchunka was pretty much Reaper free too, and the Genophage was cured, you were getting happy emails about making babies.

After you left Thessia the Asari council member was talking about making plans for continuity of species.

Modifié par Aaleel, 26 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[BWGungan]

pomrink wrote...

I mean, its not like everyone elses homeworlds were ravaged or anything right?

Technically Tali just got her homeworld back if she's still alive.

And Ashley is in the same boat as you are, except Ashley is a soldier and she can take care of herself.  Liara is much more sensitive I think.

[syroz]

hand-o_death547 wrote...

I thought the mission on Thessia was executed greatly, and the feeling of loss was also very good. I can see why she would be upset about it, but I wish there was an option to tell her to get over it. Just like I wished there was an option to tell Wrex to quit whining about his damned genophage.....

It more or less what Shepard said to her no?

Modifié par syroz, 26 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[DigitalMaster37]

shurryy wrote...

ME1:
Will give you that. 

ME2: 
A huge plot driving force in 2? Nope... If you didn't have the DLC, help her out with a few hacks, kthxbye. 
Becomes the Shadow Broker but doesn't use her Broker Powers to help Shepard directly, and when asked to come along, she refuses because she needs to execute her "Revenge" on the broker. So much for aiding Shepard in the suicide mission where he had a chance of dying for real huh?

ME3: 
Huge plot driving force yet? Don't see it... She sure has a lot of fancy stuff but it's strange how useless it becomes when the reapers eliminate your every agent. 
A few batarian mercenaries is all I recall gaining for war assets after speaking to the broker volus contact Barla Von. 
On Mars, is NOT needed to come along, I don't remember where she is specifically needed to get past a hindrance in the way on Mars. Could've brought James along, but NOPE! No choice! You have to bring Liara instead of sending her back to the shuttle...
Thank god James makes use of himself though, crashing a shuttle into the escaping VI. . . Although the damn thing had guns. 

EDIT:

Quick reminder on who stuck by Shepards side all three games... 
Turian, Name starts with a G, wears blue.
Quarian, Name starts with a T, wears purple.

Wishful thinking. refer to my response to Danae

Tali hardly sticks by Shepard and Garrus barely does as well. When Shepard first died, they were nowhere to be found. Instead Liara brought Shepard back, oh but lemme guess you didnt buy the comic? That explains why you think the way you do regarding this... read the comic and it will open your eyes to how dedicated some were more than others.

[Danae]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Danae wrote...

The bit about ME1 and partially ME2 is correct, though I do believe Cerberus was already looking for Shepard's body. Also, the inability to "kill her off" is irrelevant; it doesn't make her "more" important, it means that Shepard has no real reason to kill her. I never said Liara wasn't important, but I don't feel her to be more important than other characters. Aside from the Mars project, Liara does very little else during the course of ME3. She doesn't even help build or theorize ways to improve the Crucible.

Did you read the comic? Yeah they were looking for him, but Liara is the one who made it happen and actually found and secured his body from the Shadow Broker. The whole inability to kill her off does have an implication. It implies that she was "armored" for story reason and after playing ME3, we can see why. She is the Shadow Broker and has a few important parts within the game. She is Shepards second in command basically, has her own line to Hackett and Alliance command. 

And to the second highlighted area.. you've got to be kidding me. You must not have went to talk to her at every chance then, which would answer why you said that. She is one of the main "scientist" who did help you figure the whole thing out. that is what she is doing while in that office of hers. 

And I'm not going to argue it further, because to me there's no reason to. You're using her importance to justify... what? Calling the rest of the squad cannon fodder? Each character plays an intricately important role in Shepard's life and story. Yes, Liara was quite useful as a scientist. Are you going to claim that the soldiers at Shepard's back, the people you took with you on missions, were somehow less useful despite the fact that they aided Shepard and kept him/her alive?

No. But the fact remains that she is the MOST important squaddie and that alone is what this is all about. People are hating on her mostly for this. People will say what they want, but anyone who looks deep enough know it boils down to comparisonitis. People are just mad that (insert character here) doesn't have plot armor as thick as Liara's. That to me is chldish. 

How about Cortez? Without whom Shepard could have easily been stranded or endangered in a multitude of ways if it weren't for a clever pilot? What of EDI, who on countless occasions protected the Normandy, even when it was against her programming to do so? Joker? Come on, now. You cannot possibly be serious.

In an earlier post I alluded to the fact that every character has different degrees of importance. Anyone could have replaced Cortez, but you can't say the same of Liara. As a matter of fact, almost every other character is replaced by someone else. 

- Tali is replaceable with another quarian if she didn't make it into ME3
- Wrex - Wreav
- Mordin - another Salarian
- Garrus is not replaced but can be absent
- Grunt is replaced by random Arlak (spelling) company leader
- Miranda is replaced by her sister (I guess, that's what I heard at least)
- Ashley can be dead in two games
- Same for Kaidan


Just sayin. Not hating, cause I really don't care enough, but this thread, as I said, is amusing. 

...Can't tell if troll, or if genuinely believes what says! I'm not going to write out another long winded post. You will, at any turn and regardless of whether or not it's relevant, vehemently protect your favorite character. And that's fine, really. You know, until you're telling others that the characters that matter to their Shepard don't matter. You enjoy trolling this thread if it makes you happy. There isn't enough happiness in the world.

You can't talk sense into someone who never applied it in the first place.

The rest of you have a good one. <3

[cg8900]

and also the fact that shep seems to be more upset of thessias fall, than everybody else
BS!!!

[agathokakological]

tenojitsu wrote...

She was a very naive paleontologist...

archaeologist

[DigitalMaster37]

Danae wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Danae wrote...

The bit about ME1 and partially ME2 is correct, though I do believe Cerberus was already looking for Shepard's body. Also, the inability to "kill her off" is irrelevant; it doesn't make her "more" important, it means that Shepard has no real reason to kill her. I never said Liara wasn't important, but I don't feel her to be more important than other characters. Aside from the Mars project, Liara does very little else during the course of ME3. She doesn't even help build or theorize ways to improve the Crucible.

Did you read the comic? Yeah they were looking for him, but Liara is the one who made it happen and actually found and secured his body from the Shadow Broker. The whole inability to kill her off does have an implication. It implies that she was "armored" for story reason and after playing ME3, we can see why. She is the Shadow Broker and has a few important parts within the game. She is Shepards second in command basically, has her own line to Hackett and Alliance command. 

And to the second highlighted area.. you've got to be kidding me. You must not have went to talk to her at every chance then, which would answer why you said that. She is one of the main "scientist" who did help you figure the whole thing out. that is what she is doing while in that office of hers. 

And I'm not going to argue it further, because to me there's no reason to. You're using her importance to justify... what? Calling the rest of the squad cannon fodder? Each character plays an intricately important role in Shepard's life and story. Yes, Liara was quite useful as a scientist. Are you going to claim that the soldiers at Shepard's back, the people you took with you on missions, were somehow less useful despite the fact that they aided Shepard and kept him/her alive?

No. But the fact remains that she is the MOST important squaddie and that alone is what this is all about. People are hating on her mostly for this. People will say what they want, but anyone who looks deep enough know it boils down to comparisonitis. People are just mad that (insert character here) doesn't have plot armor as thick as Liara's. That to me is chldish. 

How about Cortez? Without whom Shepard could have easily been stranded or endangered in a multitude of ways if it weren't for a clever pilot? What of EDI, who on countless occasions protected the Normandy, even when it was against her programming to do so? Joker? Come on, now. You cannot possibly be serious.

In an earlier post I alluded to the fact that every character has different degrees of importance. Anyone could have replaced Cortez, but you can't say the same of Liara. As a matter of fact, almost every other character is replaced by someone else. 

- Tali is replaceable with another quarian if she didn't make it into ME3
- Wrex - Wreav
- Mordin - another Salarian
- Garrus is not replaced but can be absent
- Grunt is replaced by random Arlak (spelling) company leader
- Miranda is replaced by her sister (I guess, that's what I heard at least)
- Ashley can be dead in two games
- Same for Kaidan


Just sayin. Not hating, cause I really don't care enough, but this thread, as I said, is amusing. 

...Can't tell if troll, or if genuinely believes what says! I'm not going to write out another long winded post. You will, at any turn and regardless of whether or not it's relevant, vehemently protect your favorite character. And that's fine, really. You know, until you're telling others that the characters that matter to their Shepard don't matter. You enjoy trolling this thread if it makes you happy. There isn't enough happiness in the world.

You can't talk sense into someone who never applied it in the first place.

The rest of you have a good one. <3

The response I expected, cause you ran out of rebuttals. So instead you try to belittle my point of view as troll now?

Where was this line of thinking at the beginning? All of a sudden when I refute every last point you made, I become a troll. Typical BSN. lol!

*realizes popcorn is stale* <_<

[Aaleel]

You were getting good news from Tuchunka and Rannoch after your missions, so there was no reason for anyone to be devastated for those worlds. The Genophage was cured, the bomb was diffused and they were making babies. Rannoch, they were rebuilding, the Geth were mimicking disease and becoming vaccines, they were on the road to living without suits.

Pavalen was holding.

Thessia was lost, there was no hope for it.

[Bleachrude]

Risselda wrote...

Hate to say this, but Thessia had it coming. What with hiding a Prothean beacon the asari councilor knew about >.> Even with Shep hounding her about the reapers/ importance of the beacons for 3 years.

Actually...I don't think the councillor knew about it.

When she contacted Shepard, she told him that the matriarchs told her about a secret about the temple and that it could potentially have political fallout.

I don't think most of the matriarchs actually knew about it...

[Garlador]

I might be biased since I pursued Ashley in ME1 and, somehow, got tricked into a relationship with Liara instead, despite just saying very nice things to her 'cause I was, you know, super Paragon.

... And then she almost did it to me AGAIN in ME3.

So I might be a tad biased in not being fond of Liara for nearly tricking me into a relationship with her. Twice. Something is wrong when you have to TRY to NOT hook up with her as opposed to other characters (who you struggle to even keep alive, let alone alive and liking you).

Modifié par Garlador, 26 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[Nightdragon8]

Liara made a promise she couldn't keep, Reapers wouldn't reach Thessia. She had not seen what it was like for the reapers to touch down on a planet and basicly own everything. And really was the only race till Thesia where there homeworld had not been touched.

Then she sees it with her own eyes, so yea she is going to be effected. Like Shep was like Garius was, Garis and Shep are soilders and they are friends went though hell together and even survived a "suicide" mission. Thats one of the reasons Garus offers if Shep can't sleep that he is willing to help him drink him under the table.

[prizm123]

gotta remember, Thessia was hit as hard as Palavan and Earth were, and at the time, the Asari had already sent its dreadnoughts to assist Earth and the Crucible project in the form of the Citadel Defense Force, there was not as much defense capabilities as there were for Earth and Palavan, that coupled with the Turians allied with the Krogan, well, that is a hell of an army, those are some tough sobs so it is no surprise that Palavan is a near stalemate, but about to lose slowly through attrition....

add to that the banshees overrunning Thessia, even an army of Matriarchs and Asari Commandos would have a heck of a time fighting those off

[Brownfinger]

pomrink wrote...

I mean, its not like everyone elses homeworlds were ravaged or anything right?

Because even as the galaxy burns, the laws of hot chick preferential treatment still apply.

Duh.
She's a delicate thing, you can bet that if there was a real life analog for such an event, I'd be right by her side. It's only right.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 27 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[Bleachrude]

Karrie788 wrote...


It was ME2 that made me dislike Liara. I didn't like the fact that Bioware assumed I was friends with her, the same way the automatic BFF vibe with Garrus annoyed me. For all we know I could have completely ignored Garrus in ME1, why the hell are we chatting like we're best buds? I litterally have no option to shut him up the way I did in ME1. Same with Liara. I barely talked to her in ME1 and yet, I have to hug her upon meeting.

That's NOT entirely true about Garrus....

If you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, your first meeting with him in ME2 on Omega is decidly different...An import with Garrus as squadmate from ME1, your shepard will have a happy "GARRUS!!" meeting (which most people know about)..but there's also a more "indifferent" meeting (seen it on youtube).

Indeed, a femshep can't actually romance Garrus in either ME2 or ME3 unless you had Garrus join your squad in ME1 unlike Liara where you can start to romance her in ANY of the games....

[prizm123]

dang, whats with the Liara hate? ever seen her flay someone with her mind? I have, and its impressive....