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[crimzontearz]

because Liara is barely an adult

would you treat differently a 19 years old girl who just watched her hometown be destroyed from a 35 years old man who just saw the same?

[blah64]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

Not quite true. Palaven's forces were in full retreat. They gave up the fight there and fled to Earth with what they could. And Earth had almost no notewrothy resistance, with the Reapers going into full Harvesting most and world leaders indoctrinated.

OP: I'm not sure why Liara broke down so thourogly compared to our Human and Turian crew. It didn't make much sense to me since both were in worse condition.

[Militarized]

Drake_1000 wrote...

Vexille wrote...

I like Liara's character but she REALLY feels like one of the writers favorites. I mean she has plot armor to end all plot armor. It sucks when writers pick a favorite character and then push her on us while neglecting others

And what about her face ?

ME1
ME2 >>> older
Shadow Broker >>> hotter
ME3 >>> more hotter

One character, 3 new faces since ME1. When people said BW made Ashley hotter in ME3 i agree but what they do with Liara is just fanservice.

Tali rules, period.

Ashley is modeled off a transvestite hahahaha gg to you. 

Jacks face got remodeled a little it seems, she's the hottest. 

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

crimzontearz wrote...

because Liara is barely an adult

would you treat differently a 19 years old girl who just watched her hometown be destroyed from a 35 years old man who just saw the same?

I have a problem with this explanation. Yes, in her culture, this is considered just becoming an adult but she doesn't act like a little 19 year old girl. This is because she is 109 and by many other species' standards she has gained more knowledge and maturity than more short lived species. She may not be as mature as Samara because Samara is in her Matriarch stage but that does not mean she has the maturity of a 19 year old human either.

Anyhow, someone has already said it but; Rannoch and Tuchunka each had one Reaper a piece and the both got stomped with out either causing much damage to the planets they were located on. Palaven was having really bad problems, but let's face it, Garrus barely opened up to anyone about it because that's who he is. On top of that, there was the Miracle of Palaven. With Krogan aid, the Turians were able to beat the Reapers back via smooth tactics and sacrificing some Turian civillians. The entire planet did not fall as in Thessia's case.

Modifié par LegacyOfTheAsh, 27 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[Direwolf0294]

Her home was destroyed. The others are still fighting for theirs.

Also because your companions aren't cold hearted sociopaths and have a little something called empathy. They could see she was having a hard time dealing and since they sort of knew what it felt like they offered her comfort.

Seriously all this Liara hate is getting out of hand. I thought Miranda was the worst character ever but you don't see me making dozens of threads complaining that my Shepard had to have some form of interaction with her or that she was auto made my first in ME2 even though I would have prefered someone else take that role.

[Cody211282]

Because shes a writers pet.

I was all nice about it but honestly I should have gone "Well the same thing happened to mine and Gaurres's homeworlds and you don't see us crying over it."

Also the nice little rape scene at the end with her makes me like her even less.

Modifié par Cody211282, 27 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[crimzontearz]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...because Liara is barely an adultwould you treat differently a 19 years old girl who just watched her hometown be destroyed from a 35 years old man who just saw the same?

I have a problem with this explanation. Yes, in her culture, this is considered just becoming an adult but she doesn't act like a little 19 year old girl. This is because she is 109 and by many other species' standards she has gained more knowledge and maturity than more short lived species. She may not be as mature as Samara because Samara is in her Matriarch stage but that does not mean she has the maturity of a 19 year old human either. Anyhow, someone has already said it but; Rannoch and Tuchunka each had one Reaper a piece and the both got stomped with out either causing much damage to the planets they were located on. Palaven was having really bad problems, but let's face it, Garrus barely opened up to anyone about it because that's who he is. On top of that, there was the Miracle of Palaven. With Krogan aid, the Turians were able to beat the Reapers back via smooth tactics and sacrificing some Turian civillians. The entire planet did not fall as in Thessia's case.

Samara implies that maturity is also slow to come out in Asari, At 40 morinth fled her home and Samara considers it a remarkable feat because of her age whereas for a human or turian that would be ordinary...just saying

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Barquiel wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Thessia was TAKEN, unlike Earth and Palaven.

Earth WAS taken. You help RE-take part of London so you can get to the Citadel. The codex entry even says "The Fall of Earth".

I expressed myself wrong. Thessia was LOST, no resistence left there, unlike Earth and Palaven. The councilor was making plans for the preservation of the species. It was more like what happened to batarians. Well, maybe not exactly like the batarians because Thessia was taken closer to the last part of the war anyway.

Thessia probably fared much better than Earth and Palaven because the war ends shortly after the fall of the planet (the reapers don't have enough time to harvest the whole population). Of course Liara couldn't have known this.

If you didn't notice, I was defending the point of her reaction being accurate.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Militarized wrote...

Drake_1000 wrote...

Vexille wrote...

I like Liara's character but she REALLY feels like one of the writers favorites. I mean she has plot armor to end all plot armor. It sucks when writers pick a favorite character and then push her on us while neglecting others

And what about her face ?

ME1
ME2 >>> older
Shadow Broker >>> hotter
ME3 >>> more hotter

One character, 3 new faces since ME1. When people said BW made Ashley hotter in ME3 i agree but what they do with Liara is just fanservice.

Tali rules, period.

Ashley is modeled off a transvestite hahahaha gg to you. 

Jacks face got remodeled a little it seems, she's the hottest. 

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsMASP4k8iOQpQWbP8u9AKUcm0kjfoMiJqLkJxWBJC7xAKqtMBnXuxX8Eb

[MakeMineMako]

blah64 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

Not quite true. Palaven's forces were in full retreat. They gave up the fight there and fled to Earth with what they could. And Earth had almost no notewrothy resistance, with the Reapers going into full Harvesting most and world leaders indoctrinated.

OP: I'm not sure why Liara broke down so thourogly compared to our Human and Turian crew. It didn't make much sense to me since both were in worse condition.

There was no indication that the Hierarchy lost Palaven, that I recall. In fact, they scored a major victory that allowed them to retake much territory on the Turian homeworld. And there is indication in the Codex that fighting continued on Earth, but resistance wasn't as coordinated as on Palaven, having to rely on old school radio communications (I'm assuming shortwave) and QECs.

[GhostV9]

I'm surprised there was no option to tell her to stop being a baby and stay focused.

[Eyeshield21]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

because Liara is barely an adult

would you treat differently a 19 years old girl who just watched her hometown be destroyed from a 35 years old man who just saw the same?

I have a problem with this explanation. Yes, in her culture, this is considered just becoming an adult but she doesn't act like a little 19 year old girl. This is because she is 109 and by many other species' standards she has gained more knowledge and maturity than more short lived species. She may not be as mature as Samara because Samara is in her Matriarch stage but that does not mean she has the maturity of a 19 year old human either.

Anyhow, someone has already said it but; Rannoch and Tuchunka each had one Reaper a piece and the both got stomped with out either causing much damage to the planets they were located on. Palaven was having really bad problems, but let's face it, Garrus barely opened up to anyone about it because that's who he is. On top of that, there was the Miracle of Palaven. With Krogan aid, the Turians were able to beat the Reapers back via smooth tactics and sacrificing some Turian civillians. The entire planet did not fall as in Thessia's case.

that(what crimzon said), and shep is about 29-30(@ LegacyOfTheAsh. Remember, s/he was clinacally brain dead for 2 years, so he's still about the same age(don't forget cryo sleep)
Also agree with crimzon's post.

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 27 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[Admiral H. Cain]

pomrink wrote...

I mean, its not like everyone elses homeworlds were ravaged or anything right?

Thessia was meant to be the pivoting point of Mass Effect 3, the part that was supposed to make you angry at the antagonists. (It worked for me).

Did you play Mass Effect 2? Do you remember the part when the Collectors boarded the Normandy and took the crew? Same thing, it was meant to make you angry at the antagonists. 

Did you play Mass Effect 1? Do you remember the Virmire mission when you met the antagonist and then had to sacrifice Ashley or Kaiden? Same thing again.

Every good "hero" story has at least one part like this. It's part of the "Hero's Journey" style of writing, and it's called "Ordeal, Death, Rebirth." 

[Admiral H. Cain]

GhostV9 wrote...

I'm surprised there was no option to tell her to stop being a baby and stay focused.

Yeah... Hey, I know your home planet was literally just decimated, but you should stop acting like a baby. 

Yeah, that will work.... 

Did you watch the new Star Trek movie? Remember when Spock's home planet is literally destroyed, and his mother dies? Would you have told him to stop acting like a baby, too?

Modifié par Admiral H. Cain, 27 mars 2012 - 02:19 .

[JimJohnJim]

Throughout that whole little sub-plot of her dealing with the loss of Thessia, my mind just kept repeating:

"Meanwhile, back on Earth.."

I was also wondering where the option was to throw her anger back into her face by referring to what "I" (Shepard) had to deal with on Earth. Now, I never play renegade.. but I was surprised there wasn't that option.

[Cody211282]

JimJohnJim wrote...

Throughout that whole little sub-plot of her dealing with the loss of Thessia, my mind just kept repeating:

"Meanwhile, back on Earth.."

I was also wondering where the option was to throw her anger back into her face by referring to what "I" (Shepard) had to deal with on Earth. Now, I never play renegade.. but I was surprised there wasn't that option.

I was thinking the same thing.

Hell out of everyone Garrus was the one was was done best when it came to his homeworld being burned.

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

GhostV9 wrote...

I'm surprised there was no option to tell her to stop being a baby and stay focused.

Yeah... Hey, I know your home planet was literally just decimated, but you should stop acting like a baby. 

Yeah, that will work.... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Did
you watch the new Star Trek movie? Remember when Spock's home planet is
literally destroyed, and his mother dies? Would you have told him to
stop acting like a baby, too?

Thats exatly what Kirk did to show he shouldnt be in comand.

Modifié par Cody211282, 27 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[Aurora313]

I don't care about Liara. Hell, during the argument with Javik, I have expected Shepard to go off his nut at her. 'How the hell do you think I feel!? My homeworld's been in ruins Long before Thessia! If anything, your people are to blame for their goddamned indecision and pious attitudes!' or something like that.

Headcanon-wise, my Shepard went balistic at her for those comments, he just went straight off his nut and ripped her a new one.

Modifié par Aurora313, 27 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[felipejiraya]

Because Liara is awesome.

[KotorEffect3]

I see all the Liara haters have come out for this thread although it has been patiently explained to them that she is not military and she is not trained to deal with this kind of trauma. Shepard and Garrus are career soldiers, she is not.

[GhostV9]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

GhostV9 wrote...

I'm surprised there was no option to tell her to stop being a baby and stay focused.

Yeah... Hey, I know your home planet was literally just decimated, but you should stop acting like a baby. 

Yeah, that will work.... 

Did you watch the new Star Trek movie? Remember when Spock's home planet is literally destroyed, and his mother dies? Would you have told him to stop acting like a baby, too?

I wouldn't, I'm just saying I thought there'd be an option to do something like that.

[Aurora313]

Sorry, I don't mean to say I hate her, I simply dislike her. But, she's angry about her homeworld, I get it, but Earth has been under siege for a hell of a lot longer than Thessia, and it's the Asari's own damn fault for their pious, arguably arrogant and somewhat selfish attitudes. The only reason we found out about the beacon was because the Homeworld came under attack, and even then we didn't know it was a beacon until Shepard touched the damn thing. It's their own goddamn fault.

[iamthedave3]

JimJohnJim wrote...

Throughout that whole little sub-plot of her dealing with the loss of Thessia, my mind just kept repeating:

"Meanwhile, back on Earth.."

I was also wondering where the option was to throw her anger back into her face by referring to what "I" (Shepard) had to deal with on Earth. Now, I never play renegade.. but I was surprised there wasn't that option.

Why would even renegade shepherd do that? Liara never lashes out, never takes it out on anyone barring Javik (who more or less trolls her entire species from the moment they meet), and even then she simmers down quickly.

Meanwhile, back on earth, they have Shepherd recruiting THE ENTIRE GALAXY TO FIGHT FOR EARTH.

Nobody's coming for Thessia. The planet's completely lost. The Asari aren't the Turians, whose response to mass annihilation is 'come and get us if you think you're hard enough'. They're cultured, peaceful, and they aren't cut out for a straight up war.

People are complaining that Shepherd won't act like a complete unsympathetic **** towards a companion who's been with him/her for three games and is in large part responsible for his/her return from the dead. Oh yeah, and Liara expresses sympathy for Shepherd's situation on earth multiple times, too.

Modifié par iamthedave3, 27 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[Aurora313]

iamthedave3 wrote...

JimJohnJim wrote...

Throughout that whole little sub-plot of her dealing with the loss of Thessia, my mind just kept repeating:

"Meanwhile, back on Earth.."

I was also wondering where the option was to throw her anger back into her face by referring to what "I" (Shepard) had to deal with on Earth. Now, I never play renegade.. but I was surprised there wasn't that option.

Why would even renegade shepherd do that? Liara never lashes out, never takes it out on anyone barring Javik (who more or less trolls her entire species from the moment they meet), and even then she simmers down quickly.

Meanwhile, back on earth, they have Shepherd recruiting THE ENTIRE GALAXY TO FIGHT FOR EARTH.

Nobody's coming for Thessia. The planet's completely lost. The Asari aren't the Turians, whose response to mass annihilation is 'come and get us if you think you're hard enough'. They're cultured, peaceful, and they aren't cut out for a straight up war.

People are complaining that Shepherd won't act like a complete unsympathetic **** towards a companion who's been with him/her for three games and is in large part responsible for his/her return from the dead. Oh yeah, and Liara expresses sympathy for Shepherd's situation on earth multiple times, too.

My Shepard didn't ASK to be brought back to life, hell, he would have happily swallowed his gun immediately simply out of spite for Cerberus if the colonies weren't under attack. 

What bothers me is that I can't not be Liara's friend. My Shepard treats her like garbage, he dislikes her and it evolved into hatred when he realised she was the reason Shepard was shackled to Cerberus. 'I couldn't let you go'...?
I'm sorry, but that's something I expected Ashley to say, someone I romanced to say. But for some reason, she's got so much plotarmor while the person I romanced can be killed in no less than 3 seperate occasions? It's not fair, and my LI got sidelined for an entire game. Liara got her own DLC for god's sake.

I don't give a damn if she expresses sympathy, I do not want her as my friend. My Shepard is antagonist to her at the best of times.

Modifié par Aurora313, 27 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[iamthedave3]

Your shepherd sounds like an emo ******.