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[pomrink]

No Liara, you are the reapers.

and then Liara was a husk.

[KotorEffect3]

Aurora313 wrote...

Sorry, I don't mean to say I hate her, I simply dislike her. But, she's angry about her homeworld, I get it, but Earth has been under siege for a hell of a lot longer than Thessia, and it's the Asari's own damn fault for their pious, arguably arrogant and somewhat selfish attitudes. The only reason we found out about the beacon was because the Homeworld came under attack, and even then we didn't know it was a beacon until Shepard touched the damn thing. It's their own goddamn fault.

Their fault not Liara's.  Shepard even says as much when he talks to her after Thessia.

[LegatoSkyheart]

Liara got so much attention in the entire game.
It felt like I was getting forced on to be in a relationship for her.

Heck it went all the way to the end! I mean why was my Shepard thinking of Liara and not Tali??

Though it sucks that Thessia out of all the Planets was the only one to be officially lost.

Modifié par LegatoSkyheart, 27 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[iamthedave3]

The 'seeing Liara's face instead of LI' thing is baaaaaaaaaad.

I have to believe that'll be implemented down the line. It's obviously meant to be the LI (since you get Liara, Ashley or Kaidan).

I can't help but feel that much of the hate is metagaming though. 'Your shepherd' hates her because you hate her for the prominent role Bioware gives her in the game. Really there's no reason to hate her that I can see. She's loyal, she's kind, she's intelligent, and she works tirelessly to Shepherd's benefit. Why would Shepherd hate her? I can see indifference, or basic comraderie, but dislike? There's very little reason for that, especially after the whole 'key to bringing Shep back from the dead' thing.

ME 2 did a horrific job in dealing with the returning from the dead aspect (I.E. it never even raised the idea as a theme or concept), but one would think Shep would be grateful.

Modifié par iamthedave3, 27 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[KotorEffect3]

iamthedave3 wrote...


I can't help but feel that much of the hate is metagaming though. 'Your shepherd' hates her because you hate her for the prominent role Bioware gives her in the game. Really there's no reason to hate her that I can see. She's loyal, she's kind, she's intelligent, and she works tirelessly to Shepherd's benefit. Why would Shepherd hate her? I can see indifference, or basic comraderie, but dislike? There's very little reason for that, especially after the whole 'key to bringing Shep back from the dead' thing.

Yeah this,  I think people are just jealous that she plays a more prominent role than their chosen LI.  There is no in universe reason to hate her.

[Aurora313]

iamthedave3 wrote...

Your shepherd sounds like an emo ******.

He's lost two wives and was suicidal before ME1 started.

[PsychoWARD23]

She's forced on you the entire game, and I romanced her.

[Star fury]

Drake_1000 wrote...


Tali rules, period.

This. Tali's romance is the best in the whole series. Others are such lame, including Liara's. 

[Cheezer]

Ashley drinks, james turns off, Cortez cries, Garrus and Shepard shoot and drink in front of incoming traffic, Javik is pissed, Liara cries, the batarians get pissy, and in the end none of their feelings matter because they all go up in a supernova from relay sploosh

[KotorEffect3]

Star fury wrote...

Drake_1000 wrote...


Tali rules, period.

This. Tali's romance is the best in the whole series. Others are such lame, including Liara's. 

Great now people are turning it into my LI is better than yours crap.

[TheMerchantMan]

Exactly where are people getting this whole "Thessia is the only planet truly lost" bit?

The codex doesn't even support that, both the "Fall of Thessia" and the actual description when on Thessia, describe it alike to the fall of Earth. There's still resistance.

The point of Liara being affected is the same as Garrus, but Garrus and the Turians in general can take a hit like losing their homeworld without losing their tough edges. Asari are diplomats and cultural vivants by nature, seeing the loss of their homeworld, especially when it was one of the few left unscathed would be a terrible morale hit regardless of anything else.

Palaven isn't lost. But it's outright stated that both Earth and Thessia are. The reason Liara is so upset is because she isn't a soldier. Everyone else points you to her because she is cracked up by it.

If they had Garrus sobbing alone in the corner of the gunnery, I'm sure Liara and Tali would point you to him as well.

[KotorEffect3]

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Exactly where are people getting this whole "Thessia is the only planet truly lost" bit?

The codex doesn't even support that, both the "Fall of Thessia" and the actual description when on Thessia, describe it alike to the fall of Earth. There's still resistance.

The point of Liara being affected is the same as Garrus, but Garrus and the Turians in general can take a hit like losing their homeworld without losing their tough edges. Asari are diplomats and cultural vivants by nature, seeing the loss of their homeworld, especially when it was one of the few left unscathed would be a terrible morale hit regardless of anything else.

Palaven isn't lost. But it's outright stated that both Earth and Thessia are. The reason Liara is so upset is because she isn't a soldier. Everyone else points you to her because she is cracked up by it.

If they had Garrus sobbing alone in the corner of the gunnery, I'm sure Liara and Tali would point you to him as well.

Yeah people seem to be forgetting that Liara says she is sorry about Earth on more than one occasion or her reaction when she sees Palevan getting hit.  She is upset about the other world's getting hit as well it just really hits home for her when she sees her home getting hit.  It is a very natural and realistic reaction.  Some people will think of any excuse to bag on Liara.

[pprrff]

It doesn't matter, so what if she throws a fit, I just ignored her unless she was romanced.

[sistersafetypin]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

iamthedave3 wrote...


I can't help but feel that much of the hate is metagaming though. 'Your shepherd' hates her because you hate her for the prominent role Bioware gives her in the game. Really there's no reason to hate her that I can see. She's loyal, she's kind, she's intelligent, and she works tirelessly to Shepherd's benefit. Why would Shepherd hate her? I can see indifference, or basic comraderie, but dislike? There's very little reason for that, especially after the whole 'key to bringing Shep back from the dead' thing.

Yeah this,  I think people are just jealous that she plays a more prominent role than their chosen LI.  There is no in universe reason to hate her.

[Exile Isan]

I think the reason Liara is so upset after Thessia is a combination of it being her homeworld, the fact that they failed in their objective (which is the reason Shep is pissed too, btw), and the fact that Liara feels personally responsible for the fall of Thessia. She is the Shadow Broker. She has an insanely large information network and none of it made a damn bit of difference, her planet still fell to the Reapers. And this is what the whole Paragon interrupt is about. Shepard points out that Liara is not to blame for the Reapers taking Thessia, especially when Liara has, for the last three years been trying to get people to listen to her and Shepard about the Reapers, they didn't and this is the consequence of that inaction. And Liara decides that her information network isn't entirely useless she can still help asari refugees. Garrus calibrates and my Shep took out her frustration about Thessia on Cerberus with a shotgun on Ontarom. We all deal with stress, frustration, and anger differently.

I will also go on record as saying that Liara on Thessia annoyed me as well. Liara in ME2/LotSB and ME3 is one of my favorite characters, but if she thinks Shepard and Garrus don't feel the same damn way about Earth and Palaven being "reaped" and having to fight husks, cannibals, brutes and mauraders, not to mention scions and praetorians in ME2, then she is simply delusional.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 27 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[GreenDragon37]

Liara is the only one on that ship who is not a career soldier or bred in a militaristic society. SHe is not a soldier, she is a scientists whose innocence was stripped away violently thanks to the events of ME1, and she really took it hard between ME1 and ME2.

Garrus was given a lot of attention after the fall of Palaven. Wrex was given a lot of attention for Tuchanka, but Tuchanka wasn't lost. And Tali was given a lot of attention over Rannoch, but Rannoch wasn't lost. Thessia is Earth status: lost to the Reapers. Liara is consoled more because she has a harder time coping. Shep was devestated over the fall of Earth, but his drive to save it kept him from breaking down. Garrus had his calibrating and the hope that the Krogan would come and help fight the Reapers. Plus, the Primarch so he had someone to share with.

Plus, this is Liara's homeworld. She witnesses her own home getting reaped, and Shep was just as pissed off as Liara was, because it was his first true failure. Also, Liara is still young and even though she has matured, a piece of her innosence is still there. She maybe the Shadow Broker, but deep down she's still the Liara you've met on Therum. And I think anyone who just watched their home get reaped should get consoled by a friend.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 27 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[Clone 071]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Liara is the only one on that ship who is not a career soldier or bred in a militaristic society. SHe is not a soldier, she is a scientists whose innocence was stripped away violently thanks to the events of ME1, and she really took it hard between ME1 and ME2.

Garrus was given a lot of attention after the fall of Palaven. Wrex was given a lot of attention for Tuchanka, but Tuchanka wasn't lost. And Tali was given a lot of attention over Rannoch, but Rannoch wasn't lost. Thessia is Earth status: lost to the Reapers. Liara is consoled more because she has a harder time coping. Shep was devestated over the fall of Earth, but his drive to save it kept him from breaking down. Garrus had his calibrating and the hope that the Krogan would come and help fight the Reapers. Plus, the Primarch so he had someone to share with.

Plus, this is Liara's homeworld. She witnesses her own home getting reaped, and Shep was just as pissed off as Liara was, because it was his first true failure. Also, Liara is still young and even though she has matured, a piece of her innosence is still there. She maybe the Shadow Broker, but deep down she's still the Liara you've met on Therum. And I think anyone who just watched their home get reaped should get consoled by a friend.

This. Liara's definitely no soldier type bent on retaking something. No, she's just a scientist whose innocence was taken away by the events leading up to ME3. She's still young and emotional, so when she witnesses her own homeworld fall to the might of the Reapers, you break down mentally. It's not like the Morning War where the quarians chose to eradicate the Geth. No, the asari weren't given a choice in this matter. And because the original ME1 squad knows how emotional Liara can get, especially after witnessing the loss of her homeworld, Garrus and Tali try to comfort her. Even the VS comments on her post-Thessia. And Shepard is there to seal the deal and dust Liara off and get her back on her feet fighting the good fight. It's times like that where you discover who your true friends are.

[T-Zero]

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Exactly where are people getting this whole "Thessia is the only planet truly lost" bit?

The codex doesn't even support that, both the "Fall of Thessia" and the actual description when on Thessia, describe it alike to the fall of Earth. There's still resistance.

The point of Liara being affected is the same as Garrus, but Garrus and the Turians in general can take a hit like losing their homeworld without losing their tough edges. Asari are diplomats and cultural vivants by nature, seeing the loss of their homeworld, especially when it was one of the few left unscathed would be a terrible morale hit regardless of anything else.

Palaven isn't lost. But it's outright stated that both Earth and Thessia are. The reason Liara is so upset is because she isn't a soldier. Everyone else points you to her because she is cracked up by it.

If they had Garrus sobbing alone in the corner of the gunnery, I'm sure Liara and Tali would point you to him as well.

^ By all codex entries, the Asari are more or less rubbish at war, their elite commandos notwithstanding.  Asari strategies are based on hit-and-run, guerilla-style tactics.  They're not equipped to handle a front-line war, which I thought was well-implemented on the mission to Thessia, where we see them trying to hold the line, but failing since they're simply not trained for it.  

They'll probably have the same luck holding Thessia as Anderson does on Earth though, since both groups are waging guerilla campaigns.  Militarily, they can offer resistance, but they're both lost since they can't fight a front-line war.  Still, I don't think Thessia gets hit as hard as Earth was, since it's established early on in the campaign's story that Earth is facing the brunt of the reaper forces.

I personally like Liara, but even I wanted to smack her upside the head for her "alliance air support" comment.  But the scene with her breaking down is completely in-character for her, and I thought it was fairly well-done.   It's understandable that she would break down... the fact that the others didn't after seeing their own worlds burn is more a testament to their strength than a lack thereof in Liara.

Modifié par T-Zero, 27 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[huntsman2310]

Gee...maybe because she was watching the end of her homeworld?

Seriously, attention gets given to every squaddie about that issue. Barring EDI and Javik.

[xefiroEA]

I didn't mind Liara's reaction at all. It made sense that she was hurting. As much as people complain that everyone tells you to look after her, she's been doting on you the whole game. It's only fair that you look after her this once.

What annoyed me was the conversation with the Asari Councilor after the mission. Everyone was acting as if recovering the information would have saved Thessia or something. Yes, it sucks that we didn't get the information (and I was more annoyed by KL's cutscene power to the max than losing the info), but if we'd gotten it, we'd still have had to find how to integrate it to the crucible.

Thessia was lost the moment the Reapers set their sights on it. Failing to get the information was putting at risk the rest of the galaxy, not this one planet. So when I had to say 'sorry' to the Councilor because I failed, you know what? I wasn't sorry. I've been warning everyone about this for three years. I died and came back trying to warn everyone about this. I killed 305000 batarians to buy us time.

The asari instead undermined all our plans, by ignoring me first, not attending the summit later, and hiding their prothean beacon all this time. And I'm supposed to apologize to THEM?

[prizm123]

Admiral H. Cain wrote...

pomrink wrote...

I mean, its not like everyone elses homeworlds were ravaged or anything right?

Thessia was meant to be the pivoting point of Mass Effect 3, the part that was supposed to make you angry at the antagonists. (It worked for me).

i was angry at the antagonists starting with Earth.....

[pomrink]

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[KingKhan03]

I was fine with it as you can probably tell by my sig.

[NoseGrip]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

Edit: oops sorry didn't notice that this thread was old.

Modifié par NoseGrip, 19 avril 2012 - 03:08 .