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[Tom Lehrer]

Laria's whole role in that mission made me mad. She was on Mars when they hit Earth and saw first hand what the reapers are doing to Palaven and all she does is give a small gasp and moves on.

At one part she even says the Alliance should have sent air support. The Alliance that has already lost their home world and is building the only thing that might stop the reapers.

[ahandsomeshark]

Omilophile wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...


yeah, but the Banshees are high octane nightmare fuel.

Husks just don't seem terrible anymore because the shock's worn off. We've been dealing with them (as players) since ME1. They'd still be extremely nightmarish in real life, I would think.

Even in ME1 they didn't really bother me. I agree in real life they'd probably be scary but still not as scary as a screaching thing with magical powers that can warp itself closer to you and impale you when it gets close. I mean you can shoot zombies. What do you do if you run into a Banshee in real life.

[RogueBot]

The Angry One wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

im pretty sure the game at least implies that there's no resistance at all left on Thessia. It went completely dark.

I find that ridiculous.
Earth can form a resistance with a bunch of teachers and farmers, and people who can flay you alive at 20 paces with their minds just flat out die instantly?

When you're talking about asari, though, I can believe it. Their culture has always seemed really weak to me, like their entitled attitude would ultimately be their downfall.

Humans, on the other hand, are known (in Mass Effect) for their adaptability. And they're the Reapers' "favorite" race for a reason.

Modifié par RogueBot, 26 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[jlb524]

The Angry One wrote...

I find that ridiculous.
Earth can form a resistance with a bunch of teachers and farmers, and people who can flay you alive at 20 paces with their minds just flat out die instantly?

Yeah...makes no sense at all.

Unless there were a hell of a lot more Reapers on Thessia.

ahandsomeshark wrote...
What do you do if you run into a Banshee in real life.

1)  Poop pants
2)  Die

RogueBot wrote...
When you're talking about asari, though, I can believe it. Their culture has always seemed really weak to me, like their entitled attitude would ultimately be their downfall.

They are the most powerful species in the galaxy...hardly weak.

Modifié par jlb524, 26 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[cynicalsaint1]

Karrie788 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

they were annoying but they fell apart anytime someone touched them in ME2. The Banshees are practically game breaking. They legitimately terrify me. On Horizon I had Liara in my squad and when one of the Banshees behind the glass in the lab shrieked I freaked out and actually shot liara before I realized where it had come from. I actually commited suicide once on an MP map when a banshee got too close to me once..

I probably wouldn't make a good soldier.

Oh don't get me wrong, they terrify me too that was not my point, I was talking about Liara's reaction to them. She acts like it was unprecedented. But the crew has already dealt with husks, cannibals, and marauders at this point. Yeah, it sucks to see what asari become, but it applies to every species.

You have to remember the Asari tend to be a bit stuck up regarding their species supposed superiority to the rest of them. So seeing their own kind be Reaper-fied like all the others is not only horrifying for them but has the affect of knocking them back down to Earth ... so to speak.

I think Gianna Parasini put it best:

...So ageless and superior, then you get them and the squeal like school girls

Modifié par cynicalsaint1, 26 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[The Angry One]

Yeah well I don't get where this "Asari are a weak culture lol" nonsense came from.
Self assured and arrogant? Sure. But Asari commandos can and do kick ass, to say nothing of their police force and Justicars.
I refuse to believe they're any less capable of forming a resistance than the humans or Batarians.

[Trentgamer]

Anyone talk to Joker after the Thessia part? lol he makes a really mean joke about it.

[Lord Stark]

Drake_1000 wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Liara's not a soldier, she's a glorified civilian. She's not used to the amount of death that everyone else is. She's not prepared, I also thought she was being used as a metaphor for the Asari in general, how the defeat completely crushed their spirits.

Tali isn't a soldier too if i remember.

Tali leads Marines in Mass Effect 2, and pending your choices in 2 is an Admiral

[Exicuren]

it has a very important relevance because is the first high tech planet to fall, the asari couldn't stand against the reapers because they isolated from everyones else like the salarians, palaven and tuchanka had each other to mantain the situation, but thessia didn't. So they made that as a way to demonstrate that this happended to thessia the same could happen to earth.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Red Dust wrote...

Tali's an admiral, part of the ruling martial body of the Quarians. She's seen combat and lead a team on Halstrom in ME2.

Tali's a soldier. 

Tali is an Admiral because of her knowledge of the Geth and it's politically expedient to make her one, not because of her martial prowess as a warrior. Everytime she leads a team it gets shot to hell: Freedom's Progress, Haelstrom, (and the Suicide Mission if you make that mistake). If it wasn't for Shepard constantly saving her, she and her team would be all dead, and she even admits she's a crappy military leader.

I don't say all of that to denegrate her; she's a talented mechanical genius and a great person. But she's a horrible soldier, and she still can't deal with the psychological stresses associated with that very well.

This all leads back to the original statement:

Tali isn't a soldier too if i remember.

Implying that Tali is more stable than Liara is. Liara just cries when she sees the Asari lose.  Tali jumps off of a cliff.

Modifié par Orthodox Infidel, 26 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[Trentgamer]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Trentgamer wrote...

Anyone talk to Joker after the Thessia part? lol he makes a really mean joke about it.

That whole scene was brilliantly done, though. Shepard reaction (paragon or renegade) shows how much all of the things he/she was dealing with were finally getting to him/her.

I agree. It was a well written scene I thought..but I still laughed out loud at Joker's joke. hahaha

Modifié par Trentgamer, 26 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[Omilophile]

graciegrace wrote...

Liara's not a soldier, she's a glorified civilian. She's not used to the amount of death that everyone else is. She's not prepared, I also thought she was being used as a metaphor for the Asari in general, how the defeat completely crushed their spirits.

I'm sorry, but no. No amount of training will prepare you for death on that scale. Her not being a soldier is irrelevant. Soldier training is designed to replace natural instinct IN COMBAT so you have something to fall back on instead of hiding and crying. IN COMBAT. In other words, during fight or flight scenarios. In summation, Liara is a sniveling whiner regardless of her level of training. Accept it.

[graciegrace]

Drake_1000 wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Liara's not a soldier, she's a glorified civilian. She's not used to the amount of death that everyone else is. She's not prepared, I also thought she was being used as a metaphor for the Asari in general, how the defeat completely crushed their spirits.

Tali isn't a soldier too if i remember.

She is an admiral's daughter.  She has some kind of training and military experience by ME2 as well, enough to be put in command of troops.  She has more military experience then Liara.

[The Angry One]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Implying that Tali is more stable than Liara is. Liara just cries when she sees the Asari lose.  Tali jumps off of a cliff.

To be fair, Tali's just seen 99% of all Quarians get blasted to particles, while there are still plenty of Asari out there.

[Karrie788]

cynicalsaint1 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

they were annoying but they fell apart anytime someone touched them in ME2. The Banshees are practically game breaking. They legitimately terrify me. On Horizon I had Liara in my squad and when one of the Banshees behind the glass in the lab shrieked I freaked out and actually shot liara before I realized where it had come from. I actually commited suicide once on an MP map when a banshee got too close to me once..

I probably wouldn't make a good soldier.

Oh don't get me wrong, they terrify me too that was not my point, I was talking about Liara's reaction to them. She acts like it was unprecedented. But the crew has already dealt with husks, cannibals, and marauders at this point. Yeah, it sucks to see what asari become, but it applies to every species.

You have to remember the Asari tend to be a bit stuck up regarding their species supposed superiority to the rest of them. So seeing their own kind be Reaper-fied like all the others is not only horrifying for them but has the affect of knocking them back down to Earth ... so to speak.

I think Gianna Parasini put it best:

...So ageless and superior, then you get them and the squeal like school girls

True.

[antony1197]

Icophesis wrote...

Nobody cares too much when Tali and the Quarians die either.

Are you kidding me? Nobody would shut up about the damn gypsies when she died in my first run through of the game, they brought it on themselves

[Barquiel]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah well I don't get where this "Asari are a weak culture lol" nonsense came from.
Self assured and arrogant? Sure. But Asari commandos can and do kick ass, to say nothing of their police force and Justicars.
I refuse to believe they're any less capable of forming a resistance than the humans or Batarians.

They formed a resistance on colony worlds.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cyone
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Trategos
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Niacal

[Evil_medved]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Trentgamer wrote...

Anyone talk to Joker after the Thessia part? lol he makes a really mean joke about it.

That whole scene was brilliantly done, though. Shepard reaction (paragon or renegade) shows how much all of the things he/she was dealing with were finally getting to him/her.

Why there isnt a "hahaha, nice one" answer though? Thats what i would say.

[masseffectfan94]

Cause she's the best

https://encrypted-tb...N2iJjw9hA7EE3Em

[TheMadBlimper]

On the Banshee subject, I think we should all be thankful that we weren't put up against a huskified Krogan. THAT would be bat-**** terrifying.

[Hunter_Wolf]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help theTurians were at least holding them.

One could also argue that Thessia has the darkest and richest background of all the worlds. Asari are known for being the most technologically advanced of all the Galactic Council Embassies and it's primarily because they pretty much built their civilization over the remains of the Protheans, reverse engineered everything they had found to a much greater degree than Humanity. So losing Thessia was kind of a big deal. 

Plus there's the above as well, every other world is at least holding them off. I wouldn't necessarily say Thessia is completely gone since even the Turians's home world before Shep arrives suffered heavy losses. The point of the matter was those who helped Shepard died in vain as Kai Lang ran off with the one piece presumed to be the sole key at defeating the reapers. 

[Orthodox Infidel]

The Angry One wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Implying that Tali is more stable than Liara is. Liara just cries when she sees the Asari lose.  Tali jumps off of a cliff.

To be fair, Tali's just seen 99% of all Quarians get blasted to particles, while there are still plenty of Asari out there.

True. Tali's race is all but extinct, whereas it may take the Reapers a century or two to wipe out the Asari. But the idea that EVERYONE MANS UP BUT LIARA is just silly.

[Hunter_Wolf]

TheMadBlimper wrote...

On the Banshee subject, I think we should all be thankful that we weren't put up against a huskified Krogan. THAT would be bat-**** terrifying.

You do realize the Brute is part Krogan yes?