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[RyuGuitarFreak]

Omilophile wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Thessia was TAKEN, unlike Earth and Palaven.

Earth WAS taken. You help RE-take part of London so you can get to the Citadel. The codex entry even says "The Fall of Earth".

I expressed myself wrong. Thessia was LOST, no resistence left there, unlike Earth and Palaven. The councilor was making plans for the preservation of the species. It was more like what happened to batarians. Well, maybe not exactly like the batarians because Thessia was taken closer to the last part of the war anyway.

[shurryy]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I hope Bioware addresses the concern that Liara gets a disproportionate amount of attention in ME3.

Lol amusing, given that she's woven well into the story, that ain't gon' happen. No matter how much you Liara haters cry, there is no "fix" for your issue like there is for the ending. 


I think I'll say it again... Deal with it! (oh I forgot, you can help but deal with it, LOL!!!)

*realizes popcorn bag is half full*   *readies second bag*. Omnomnom...

I suggest you get your personal issues with othermances sorted out and get your attitude straightened up before you start being generally disliked for slinging personal insults on the forum. 

[DigitalMaster37]

Karrie788 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

But really, is hating on Liara the cool new trend?

No. Some of us genuinely dislike her.

To dislike with passion is the same as hate. When you make a thread about the most unfounded reasons for disliking someone, it = hating. 

No one on here yet gave a logical or sensical reason on why they don't like Liara. It is mostly in comparison to (insert cannon fodder character here), Like Tali who can either fall off a damn rock, or miss ME3 altogether. 

I'm sorry but when I see threads like this, I have no sympathy for you or your characters. 

Thane and jacob fans, I feel for though.

[DigitalMaster37]

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I hope Bioware addresses the concern that Liara gets a disproportionate amount of attention in ME3.

Lol amusing, given that she's woven well into the story, that ain't gon' happen. No matter how much you Liara haters cry, there is no "fix" for your issue like there is for the ending. 


I think I'll say it again... Deal with it! (oh I forgot, you can help but deal with it, LOL!!!)

*realizes popcorn bag is half full*   *readies second bag*. Omnomnom...

I suggest you get your personal issues with othermances sorted out and get your attitude straightened up before you start being generally disliked for slinging personal insults on the forum. 

Insults???

you mad bro?

Everything you have just said made 0 sense. You felt insulted by what I said? May I know which part? Was it the part where i called you a Liara hater? or was it the part where I said you must suffer the presence of Liara everytime you load up ME3? 

I am curious...


Oh and btw, I have no, absolutely NO problem with other...mances, as you say. I like most of them, which separates me from the likes of you, who must attack another because you feel slighted with yours. It's life though I guess, just like if a person makes more money than someone else, rather than just celebrate the person and/or just appreciating where they themselves are, they instead start telling accusing the wealthy person how selfish, elitist, money hungry, and spoiled, or (insert random wealth insult here) they are automatically. 

Gotta love humanity. 

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 26 mars 2012 - 10:16 .

[Barquiel]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Thessia was TAKEN, unlike Earth and Palaven.

Earth WAS taken. You help RE-take part of London so you can get to the Citadel. The codex entry even says "The Fall of Earth".

I expressed myself wrong. Thessia was LOST, no resistence left there, unlike Earth and Palaven. The councilor was making plans for the preservation of the species. It was more like what happened to batarians. Well, maybe not exactly like the batarians because Thessia was taken closer to the last part of the war anyway.

Thessia probably fared much better than Earth and Palaven because the war ends shortly after the fall of the planet (the reapers don't have enough time to harvest the whole population). Of course Liara couldn't have known this.

[Danae]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

But really, is hating on Liara the cool new trend?

No. Some of us genuinely dislike her.

To dislike with passion is the same as hate. When you make a thread about the most unfounded reasons for disliking someone, it = hating. 

No one on here yet gave a logical or sensical reason on why they don't like Liara. It is mostly in comparison to (insert cannon fodder character here), Like Tali who can either fall off a damn rock, or miss ME3 altogether. 

I'm sorry but when I see threads like this, I have no sympathy for you or your characters. 

Thane and jacob fans, I feel for though.

Actually, no one but has to explain why they dislike a character. It doesn't even have to have a tangible reason. It could be a gut feeling, or the way the character "rubs" them, so to speak. Everyone is entitled to how they feel about characters, whether or not you agree with their reasoning for it. However, I do agree that it's ridiculous to compare characters for the sake of disliking one. But, to attack another character after crying foul over your own favorite is childish, and isn't likely to garner you any favorable outcome. Especially when you refer to any other character than Liara as simple cannon fodder.

And I like Liara quite a great deal, but I can honestly say at this point that I'm beginning to have a certain distaste for her fandom, and Tali's, based on the general behavior displayed so broadly. Both characters are excellent in their own ways.

[DigitalMaster37]

Barquiel wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Thessia was TAKEN, unlike Earth and Palaven.

Earth WAS taken. You help RE-take part of London so you can get to the Citadel. The codex entry even says "The Fall of Earth".

I expressed myself wrong. Thessia was LOST, no resistence left there, unlike Earth and Palaven. The councilor was making plans for the preservation of the species. It was more like what happened to batarians. Well, maybe not exactly like the batarians because Thessia was taken closer to the last part of the war anyway.

Thessia probably fared much better than Earth and Palaven because the war ends shortly after the fall of the planet (the reapers don't have enough time to harvest the whole population). Of course Liara couldn't have known this.

This.

Thessia wasn't lost anymore than any other system. In fact in-game a few turians eluded to the fact that Palaven was lost. So the term is being misinterpreted here. It was lost just as much as any other system, definitely not MORE lost than Earth for sure. Earth got the worst of it as Humans posed the greatest threat to the Reapers. 

[shurryy]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I hope Bioware addresses the concern that Liara gets a disproportionate amount of attention in ME3.

Lol amusing, given that she's woven well into the story, that ain't gon' happen. No matter how much you Liara haters cry, there is no "fix" for your issue like there is for the ending. 


I think I'll say it again... Deal with it! (oh I forgot, you can help but deal with it, LOL!!!)

*realizes popcorn bag is half full*   *readies second bag*. Omnomnom...

I suggest you get your personal issues with othermances sorted out and get your attitude straightened up before you start being generally disliked for slinging personal insults on the forum. 

Insults???

you mad bro?

Everything you have just said made 0 sense. You felt insulted by what I said? May I know which part? Was it the part where i called you a Liara hater? or was it the part where I said you must suffer the presence of Liara everytime you load up ME3? 

I am curious...

Oh I'm sorry, bad wording on my part... 
It's your attitude that pisses me off, no need to act all cocky laughing at your so called "Haters". The thread is simply for discussion, and you are not contributing to discussion with your obviously trolling attitude, meant to provoke those who feel a general dislike for Liara. 

Put it away, it's unnecessary. 

As for You mad bro?

"Get the **** out of the thread you troll!"

And yes I do suffer at Liara's presence when I already have an LI, then an option during a conversation on the Citadel with Laira pops up:

"Perhaps more than friends..." 

My reaction?
WTF IS THIS?! They give us an option to CHEAT ON OUR LI? WITH LIARA?
That's a writers pet right there. 

[Karrie788]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

To dislike with passion is the same as hate. When you make a thread about the most unfounded reasons for disliking someone, it = hating. 

No one on here yet gave a logical or sensical reason on why they don't like Liara. It is mostly in comparison to (insert cannon fodder character here), Like Tali who can either fall off a damn rock, or miss ME3 altogether. 

I'm sorry but when I see threads like this, I have no sympathy for you or your characters. 

Thane and jacob fans, I feel for though.

You sounded a little too condescending in your previous posts (and even in this one), it doesn't exactly encourage conversation. And we're not asking for anyone's "sympathy", we're simply voicing our opinions.

We clearly don't have the same definition of hate, but ok, I can understand. I see your points, and I'll tell you why I dislike... hate, whatever, Liara.

I didn't dislike her in ME1, she just didn't interest me at all. Her character was too generic for my liking. Same as Tali and Garrus, actually. The romance felt too rushed, I didn't see the appeal. I also have to confess that I dislike the asari in general, apart from a few awesome characters like Aethyta, Samara, or Farele. The concept of their race is laughable to me. But that's personal. Biased, even.

It was ME2 that made me dislike Liara. I didn't like the fact that Bioware assumed I was friends with her, the same way the automatic BFF vibe with Garrus annoyed me. For all we know I could have completely ignored Garrus in ME1, why the hell are we chatting like we're best buds? I litterally have no option to shut him up the way I did in ME1. Same with Liara. I barely talked to her in ME1 and yet, I have to hug her upon meeting.
Additionally, she freaks me out. In ME2 she went from a bland character (to me) to a complete psycho. Her obsession with both the Shadow Broker and Shepard, and the fact that she gave Shep's body to Cerberus, completely ticked me off. I get it that she's socially inept, I don't have to like her for it.

ME3... she was tolerable in ME3. Character wise. Still didn't like her, but it was not as bad as ME2. She was just kinda there. Until Thessia.

Her character arc is very interesting, I have to admit, and that last scene in London made me smile. It was one of the sweetest scenes in the game, I can honestly say it made me fall in love with her for a second. She is without any doubt an interesting character, but I, personally, am not interested.

[Danae]

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I hope Bioware addresses the concern that Liara gets a disproportionate amount of attention in ME3.

Lol amusing, given that she's woven well into the story, that ain't gon' happen. No matter how much you Liara haters cry, there is no "fix" for your issue like there is for the ending. 


I think I'll say it again... Deal with it! (oh I forgot, you can help but deal with it, LOL!!!)

*realizes popcorn bag is half full*   *readies second bag*. Omnomnom...

I suggest you get your personal issues with othermances sorted out and get your attitude straightened up before you start being generally disliked for slinging personal insults on the forum. 

Insults???

you mad bro?

Everything you have just said made 0 sense. You felt insulted by what I said? May I know which part? Was it the part where i called you a Liara hater? or was it the part where I said you must suffer the presence of Liara everytime you load up ME3? 

I am curious...

Oh I'm sorry, bad wording on my part... 
It's your attitude that pisses me off, no need to act all cocky laughing at your so called "Haters". The thread is simply for discussion, and you are not contributing to discussion with your obviously trolling attitude, meant to provoke those who feel a general dislike for Liara. 

Put it away, it's unnecessary. 

As for You mad bro?

"Get the **** out of the thread you troll!"

And yes I do suffer at Liara's presence when I already have an LI, then an option during a conversation on the Citadel with Laira pops up:

"Perhaps more than friends..." 

My reaction?
WTF IS THIS?! They give us an option to CHEAT ON OUR LI? WITH LIARA?
That's a writers pet right there. 

You're joking, right? Liara is hardly alone in being one of the characters you can cheat on your LI with during the course of the game. Perhaps your Shepard is male, but mine is not. And despite newly reconciling her relationship with Kaidan (whom she never strayed from), she was immediately pounced, unsuspecting, upon by Samantha Traynor and Diana Allers for sexual favors. Liara, at least, is more classy about it and has a long emotional attachment to Shepard. So, I would hardly call Liara's insinuation to be inappropriate, ill-placed or even exceptional. It isn't.

[Neria Rose]

sistersafetypin wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

But really, is hating on Liara the cool new trend?

Nope, hated her since first playing ME1 back in 2008. And I've only hated her more with ME2/3.

[Barquiel]

shurryy wrote...

My reaction?
WTF IS THIS?! They give us an option to CHEAT ON OUR LI? WITH LIARA?
That's a writers pet right there. 

You have the option to cheat on Liara in ME2.
You have the option to cheat on Liara in ME3.

...hypocritical much?

[DigitalMaster37]

Danae wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Well in game Thessia was the only one, of the people on the Normandy, who's planet was officially lost. Tuchanka beat the reaper, Rannoch beat them. And with the Krogans help the Turians were at least holding them.

But really, is hating on Liara the cool new trend?

No. Some of us genuinely dislike her.

To dislike with passion is the same as hate. When you make a thread about the most unfounded reasons for disliking someone, it = hating. 

No one on here yet gave a logical or sensical reason on why they don't like Liara. It is mostly in comparison to (insert cannon fodder character here), Like Tali who can either fall off a damn rock, or miss ME3 altogether. 

I'm sorry but when I see threads like this, I have no sympathy for you or your characters. 

Thane and jacob fans, I feel for though.

Actually, no one but has to explain why they dislike a character. It doesn't even have to have a tangible reason. It could be a gut feeling, or the way the character "rubs" them, so to speak. Everyone is entitled to how they feel about characters, whether or not you agree with their reasoning for it. However, I do agree that it's ridiculous to compare characters for the sake of disliking one. But, to attack another character after crying foul over your own favorite is childish, and isn't likely to garner you any favorable outcome. Especially when you refer to any other character than Liara as simple cannon fodder.

And I like Liara quite a great deal, but I can honestly say at this point that I'm beginning to have a certain distaste for her fandom, and Tali's, based on the general behavior displayed so broadly. Both characters are excellent in their own ways.

Oh please. Don't do the whole condescending, I am better than you approach. That doesn't work with me. First of all I have never attacked any other characters. Yes I did say cannon fodder, but I never stated which ones were and were not did I? So that is your interpretation of what I said. See I did that on purpose to see who would interpret it that way... You won. 

The point of my whole post is proven. People who have an affinity to (insert character here) are simply comparing and that is the fundamental problem. It's a natural reation, but when you think a little further, every character in this game had different levels of importance. no one is getting on Tali's importance, or Miranda (who is very important in this trilogy). 

This is honestly no surprise to me. Liara has the MOST importance which guarantee she will have a fan-hate-base. 

But looking at the entire series, Garrus, Tali, Miranda out of all of the LI's have great importance, but no one is hating on them. In fact throughout this whole "My LI vs your LI" thing since ME2, Liara fans are the most non-violent. Tali fans are abrasive, Miranda fans... OMG, and Ashley/Kaidan fans are simply more defensive if anything from the Tali/Miranda fans. 

Liara fans are almost never involved in any hating (at least not that I've seen). 

So once again, don't do that... just don't do that.

[Danae]

Barquiel wrote...

shurryy wrote...

My reaction?
WTF IS THIS?! They give us an option to CHEAT ON OUR LI? WITH LIARA?
That's a writers pet right there. 

You have the option to cheat on Liara in ME2.
You have the option to cheat on Liara in ME3.

...hypocritical much?

You can cheat on any LI, and you can be prompted by other LIs to do so. No one is an exception here.

[The Angry One]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Thessia was TAKEN, unlike Earth and Palaven.

Earth WAS taken. You help RE-take part of London so you can get to the Citadel. The codex entry even says "The Fall of Earth".

I expressed myself wrong. Thessia was LOST, no resistence left there, unlike Earth and Palaven. The councilor was making plans for the preservation of the species. It was more like what happened to batarians. Well, maybe not exactly like the batarians because Thessia was taken closer to the last part of the war anyway.

And again I call BS. Earth was taken. It would take decades to harvest Earth even with zero resistance.
There's no proof at all that there's no resistance on Thessia. Any plans for preservation are probably something ALL species are thinking about.

[DigitalMaster37]

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

shurryy wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I hope Bioware addresses the concern that Liara gets a disproportionate amount of attention in ME3.

Lol amusing, given that she's woven well into the story, that ain't gon' happen. No matter how much you Liara haters cry, there is no "fix" for your issue like there is for the ending. 


I think I'll say it again... Deal with it! (oh I forgot, you can help but deal with it, LOL!!!)

*realizes popcorn bag is half full*   *readies second bag*. Omnomnom...

I suggest you get your personal issues with othermances sorted out and get your attitude straightened up before you start being generally disliked for slinging personal insults on the forum. 

Insults???

you mad bro?

Everything you have just said made 0 sense. You felt insulted by what I said? May I know which part? Was it the part where i called you a Liara hater? or was it the part where I said you must suffer the presence of Liara everytime you load up ME3? 

I am curious...

Oh I'm sorry, bad wording on my part... 
It's your attitude that pisses me off, no need to act all cocky laughing at your so called "Haters". The thread is simply for discussion, and you are not contributing to discussion with your obviously trolling attitude, meant to provoke those who feel a general dislike for Liara. 

Put it away, it's unnecessary. 

As for You mad bro?

"Get the **** out of the thread you troll!"

And yes I do suffer at Liara's presence when I already have an LI, then an option during a conversation on the Citadel with Laira pops up:

"Perhaps more than friends..." 

My reaction?
WTF IS THIS?! They give us an option to CHEAT ON OUR LI? WITH LIARA?
That's a writers pet right there. 

There's this saying.... it kinda goes like... GET OVER IT!! 

Why is it so easy for others to just enjoy their LI and not you? You are easily aggrevated aren't you?

So I'll ask again... You mad bro?

[shurryy]

Danae wrote...

You're joking, right? Liara is hardly alone in being one of the characters you can cheat on your LI with during the course of the game. Perhaps your Shepard is male, but mine is not. And despite newly reconciling her relationship with Kaidan (whom she never strayed from), she was immediately pounced, unsuspecting, upon by Samantha Traynor and Diana Allers for sexual favors. Liara, at least, is more classy about it and has a long emotional attachment to Shepard. So, I would hardly call Liara's insinuation to be inappropriate, ill-placed or even exceptional. It isn't.

No I wasn't joking, as a fact I was unaware... I retract my earlier statement. 

[Leafs43]

Liara is an amazing character.

She basically goes from naive child in ME1 to full grown adult by ME3. She has amazing character growth throughout the series.

[Grasich]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

http://ts1.mm.bing.n...pg?t=1295078540

Liara's the one that obviously took it the hardest. Garrus was upset, but he could deal with it. Shepard could, Ashley, James, etc. could handle the grief of the homeworlds being trashed by the Reapers. Liara was obviously shaken and in shambles over the situation, and she felt guilty (and some responsibility) over the fall of Thessia, and it wasn't her fault. She needed someone to console her.

Plus, Liara's so sweet. She needed the most attention. Facts, bro.

Facts right here.

[Zardoc]

Barquiel wrote...

shurryy wrote...

My reaction?
WTF IS THIS?! They give us an option to CHEAT ON OUR LI? WITH LIARA?
That's a writers pet right there. 

You have the option to cheat on Liara in ME2.
You have the option to cheat on Liara in ME3.

...hypocritical much?

Main difference is that none of those other "cheat options" get an entire DLC all around them, and neither do any of them have nearly as much screen time as Liara in 3.

Liara is a writers pet, period. And saying that doesn't make me a hater, I actually liked her character and the way they gave her an actual personality from 1 to 2. It's still stupid to give her this amount of screen time in 3.

Modifié par Zardoc, 26 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[Zix13]

Red Dust wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

I found it odd that she was reduced to a sobbing mess while Garrus took it just like another day at work.

That's because Garrus is a boss. Liara's not. This surprises you?

Technically, Liara is the boss... you know, shadow broker and all. But yea, Garras is renegade, Liara is paragon. Thus Garrus keeps calm and carries on, while Liara cries about it. I thought Javik rubbing it in was hilarious. How to make a bad day worse......

[DigitalMaster37]

Karrie788 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

To dislike with passion is the same as hate. When you make a thread about the most unfounded reasons for disliking someone, it = hating. 

No one on here yet gave a logical or sensical reason on why they don't like Liara. It is mostly in comparison to (insert cannon fodder character here), Like Tali who can either fall off a damn rock, or miss ME3 altogether. 

I'm sorry but when I see threads like this, I have no sympathy for you or your characters. 

Thane and jacob fans, I feel for though.

You sounded a little too condescending in your previous posts (and even in this one), it doesn't exactly encourage conversation. And we're not asking for anyone's "sympathy", we're simply voicing our opinions.

We clearly don't have the same definition of hate, but ok, I can understand. I see your points, and I'll tell you why I dislike... hate, whatever, Liara.

I didn't dislike her in ME1, she just didn't interest me at all. Her character was too generic for my liking. Same as Tali and Garrus, actually. The romance felt too rushed, I didn't see the appeal. I also have to confess that I dislike the asari in general, apart from a few awesome characters like Aethyta, Samara, or Farele. The concept of their race is laughable to me. But that's personal. Biased, even.

It was ME2 that made me dislike Liara. I didn't like the fact that Bioware assumed I was friends with her, the same way the automatic BFF vibe with Garrus annoyed me. For all we know I could have completely ignored Garrus in ME1, why the hell are we chatting like we're best buds? I litterally have no option to shut him up the way I did in ME1. Same with Liara. I barely talked to her in ME1 and yet, I have to hug her upon meeting.
Additionally, she freaks me out. In ME2 she went from a bland character (to me) to a complete psycho. Her obsession with both the Shadow Broker and Shepard, and the fact that she gave Shep's body to Cerberus, completely ticked me off. I get it that she's socially inept, I don't have to like her for it.

ME3... she was tolerable in ME3. Character wise. Still didn't like her, but it was not as bad as ME2. She was just kinda there. Until Thessia.

Her character arc is very interesting, I have to admit, and that last scene in London made me smile. It was one of the sweetest scenes in the game, I can honestly say it made me fall in love with her for a second. She is without any doubt an interesting character, but I, personally, am not interested.

if this is your point of view, then what I said is clearly not aimed at you. Don't take offense, I am in no offending position anyway. I am just replying to the thread questioning the validity of it as well as the sense of it. I am not trying to stop the conversation, I am only asking questions and bringing out things that people are clearly not thinking about. That is all.

[panamakira]

Well to be fair stuff in Thessia got ugly really fast but it was also one of the first planets lost to Reaper invasion. That's pretty tough right there. So I thought it was appropriate people were feeling bad about it, specially Shep.

P.S. Also not a huge fan of Liara, I thought I saw way too much of her in ME3 than what I needed to see (obviously someone was a fan in the dev team) but I don't really dislike her either. I always felt indifferent about her. lol Just sayin'.....I would have rather have more Garrus, Mordin or Legion...

Modifié par panamakira, 26 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[shurryy]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

So I'll ask again... You mad bro?

Trollingattemptisfailtrollgtfo. 


EDIT:
I'll be honest, yes. Your attitude pisses me off now more than Liara. 
I can't really enjoy my LI when Liara's presence repeatedly get's forced on me can I? 

Modifié par shurryy, 26 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[Chrillze]

LOL! Hating on a video game character... I hate Kaidan and Ashley but they have no redeeming qualities at all