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[Karulo]

This is awesome. And it makes sense! I'd definitely support this ending.

[Mathias]

That feel when fans create a vastly superior ending than what the "professionals" produced.

[Dark Gantros]

alberta wrote...

The more I think about this the more my mind can visualize ever detail and somehow THIS is beautiful - and no matter what BW does THIS is where MY Sheppard and his L1 will always be - there at that moment in time.

I am greatly honored that you feel so moved by my writing.

[lordofdogtown19]

Now that's what I call an ending. OP, you sir should write for Bioware

[XavierHollywood]

BRILLIANT!

I love most that the crucible gives the Reapers their conscious back from the species they were created from. That would be the ultimate form of payback to Harbinger, and really brings everything from the ME's history full circle.

A few things I disagreed with, but overall, quality quality stuff here.

[jumpingkaede]

Definitely great as a paragon/blue ending. No complaints if that had been my ending.

Sometimes after 100 hours of work and sacrifice you WANT a happily ever after ending. All the talk about it not being "realistic" ignore that it's a game.

[BinaryHelix101]

The epilogue is way too happy

There needs to be much much more text about how much damage the Reapers did before they were defeated.

That said, it's better than the ending we have now, and it's not even in the same galaxy, let alone ballpark.

[Catroi]

I agree with any good idea.
This is a good idea

[XavierHollywood]

I know the head honchos at Bioware go through the forums, but I hope they really look at this thread.

Im not gonna say Bioware is incapable of this stuff. As far as im concerned Bioware is more then capable of producing something of this level and better. They proved it to me during 99.9% of the ME experience from ME1 to right before the end of ME3...which is why its all so baffling to me. There was definitely something up there that prevented Bioware from creating a fully realized ending. Whether it be time constraints or budget or whatever, I KNOW Bioware is capable of producing an ending infinitely greater then what they did.

[Dark Gantros]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

The epilogue is way too happy

There needs to be much much more text about how much damage the Reapers did before they were defeated.

That said, it's better than the ending we have now, and it's not even in the same galaxy, let alone ballpark.

I admit this is more or less the Super Happy 100% Completionist Perfect Paragon Ending, but you could change a cutscene or a dialogue option depending on your EMS score and whether you did or didn't do certain things. But as I've said before, I wrote this for those who did EVERYTHING right, because it has the longest path, you can end the path at any point with a failure event, or a slightly less successful one, but in the end, alls well that ends well, and I try to reflect that in the epilogue. The memorial speech could change depending on how successful you were overall. Certain 'where are they now?' scenes could be absent or changed. I didn't want to write every possible permutation because that would be too much of a read and I never played Renegade on my playthrough so I wouldn't be able to do it justice.

Modifié par Dark Gantros, 29 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[JediMaster_Murph]

i really thought this was great, i fully support this ending

[SpartanCommander]

Good changes to it but some suggestions.

You may want to make the final confrontation with the Illusive man a little different like maybe after some dalog you can get the Illusive man to use either kill himself (realizing that he was a puppet the entire time) or have a boss fight.

Another thing I want to say is that I don't think that the Reapers are being controled by the Harbringer I think he's more like the Reaper Admeral. The Catalyst's is giving them orders. Why not have the final boss fight against the Catalist's core. The Catalyst tries to manipulate Shepard into doing what it want's by giving those bad options but after taking one step forward Shepard suddenly realized that the shape the Conduate is using it the same as the kid that dies. It's using his own guilt to control make him do what it wants since Shepard isn't indoctornated and this is the last attempt to have some control over the final outcome of the Reapers Cycle of death project. Then Shepard confronts the apparition with his revelation and accuses him that it's scared of what may happen if the younger races actually defeated the Reapers. To him now theirs a real chance why else try to manipulate him this way.

Then with an intense anger due to the pride of thinking itself a god for so long it shouts that he will control the Evolution of the galaxy even if he has to force Shepard into the synthesis. Then the Catalyst core appears and starts to transform into some sort of Reaper looking thing that resembles a horrific merger half organic version of a reaper and a the larger Reapers. It's obvious it's the first Reaper (Thus a boss fight happens between the First Reaper and yourself start's.)

Beating it would likely result in multiple problem through out the the Reaper fleet since their all individual nations none of them can agree on a proper course of action and Harbringer is having great difficulty in assuming command again and with the loss of cohesion and even infighting among the Reapers as arguments break out prove costly to the Reapers and for the first time the Reapers panic and start to retreat but very disorganized and all going in groups to different areas. Apparently the loss of the first Reaper resulted in a schism amongst the Reapers.

(and better yet have the boss fight with the first Reaper only available if you unlock manage to get certain discoveries in place and missions. If not then you use the Catalyst like you said.)

And also as an epilogue why not have a party like VE day in WWII. To celebrate the Defeat of the Reapers. Talk to the different characters their plans for after the war and such. Introduce your love interest to your mother (if spacer). start a bar fight. Get drunk.

Also you may want to write about what will be different depending on your choise of love interest.

How do you like this addon to your idea?

[BloodClaw95]

Reminds me of ME2's arrival for some reasons.
There were originally two ideas I liked, the Paragon Interrupt 'No' with the Catalyst, and the Indoc theory.

Now this is also a favorite of mine.

[Dark Gantros]

SpartanCommander wrote...

You may want to make the final confrontation with the Illusive man a little different like maybe after some dalog you can get the Illusive man to use either kill himself (realizing that he was a puppet the entire time) or have a boss fight.

I alluded to that happening in reality, but rather than completely reuse the 'Saren ending' as we got during the Indoctrination scene, I wanted a twist where Harbinger just interruptsand takes over. It's both a final insult to TIM that in the end he couldn't even take his own life when he wanted to, and an intro to the final battle with Harbinger by proxy.

SpartanCommander wrote... 

Another thing I want to say is that I don't think that the Reapers are being controled by the Harbringer I think he's more like the Reaper Admeral. The Catalyst's is giving them orders. Why not have the final boss fight against the Catalist's core. The Catalyst tries to manipulate Shepard into doing what it want's by giving those bad options but after taking one step forward Shepard suddenly realized that the shape the Conduate is using it the same as the kid that dies. It's using his own guilt to control make him do what it wants since Shepard isn't indoctornated and this is the last attempt to have some control over the final outcome of the Reapers Cycle of death project. Then Shepard confronts the apparition with his revelation and accuses him that it's scared of what may happen if the younger races actually defeated the Reapers. To him now theirs a real chance why else try to manipulate him this way.

In keeping with the Indoctrination theory, I'm assuming that the room TIM is in, the Catalyst Chamber, and the Star Child himself are all fabrications by Harbinger. They do not and have never ever truly existed. Therefore, the actual driving force of the Reapers has and always has been Harbinger. Everything else, even the Reaper Destroyers, are merely tools to facilitate his goals, which should remain unknown other than the speculation that he merely wants to remain on top of the evolutionary food chain.

SpartanCommander wrote... 

Then with an intense anger due to the pride of thinking itself a god for so long it shouts that he will control the Evolution of the galaxy even if he has to force Shepard into the synthesis. Then the Catalyst core appears and starts to transform into some sort of Reaper looking thing that resembles a horrific merger half organic version of a reaper and a the larger Reapers. It's obvious it's the first Reaper (Thus a boss fight happens between the First Reaper and yourself start's.)

Beating it would likely result in multiple problem through out the the Reaper fleet since their all individual nations none of them can agree on a proper course of action and Harbringer is having great difficulty in assuming command again and with the loss of cohesion and even infighting among the Reapers as arguments break out prove costly to the Reapers and for the first time the Reapers panic and start to retreat but very disorganized and all going in groups to different areas. Apparently the loss of the first Reaper resulted in a schism amongst the Reapers.

(and better yet have the boss fight with the first Reaper only available if you unlock manage to get certain discoveries in place and missions. If not then you use the Catalyst like you said.)

This strikes me as unnecessary exposition designed to justify the existence of the Star Child and Catalyst Chamber. I'm not opposed to leaving it in as a jumping off point for the Indoctrination Theory into my final act, but your idea seems to put too many human personality flaws to what has so far been described as cold, logical being. Having the motivation of the Reapers be inferred as merely ensuring the survival at what they perceive as the pinnacle of evolution is simple and requires no further explanation.

SpartanCommander wrote... 

And also as an epilogue why not have a party like VE day in WWII. To celebrate the Defeat of the Reapers. Talk to the different characters their plans for after the war and such. Introduce your love interest to your mother (if spacer). start a bar fight. Get drunk.

Also you may want to write about what will be different depending on your choise of love interest.

How do you like this addon to your idea?

I'm thinking of the end of ROTJ with this idea, and I don't think it is appropriate as it implies that 'The War's Over, Let's Party!', which I think detracts from the somber tone of having survived depsite impossible odds. While my epilogue is happier than what is canon, I think it is tempered with the need to remember those that gave their lives so that all the people and their peoples have a future at all.

Modifié par Dark Gantros, 29 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[MetallicShepard]

OP, I really like your idea of Harbinger being the supreme, possibly very first Reaper created by a tyrannical race. I would like to expand on your ending.

Harbinger, through the millenia, conquered others races, created his own husks out of them (other Reapers), has them indoctrinated to his genocidal cause, and the rest is history.

The Crucible wipes out Harbinger's control over the rest of the Reapers, and they envelope and destroy him, like you said. The rest are freed, mirroring the personalities of the races they once were. They gather and talk with Shepard, thanking him/her from freeing them from their indoctrination. An investigate option would appear where Shepard learns the true origins of the Reapers. They then allow Shepard two options: to free them and allow them to create their own future while they promise to stray far away from the rest of the galactic races and remain peaceful, or an option in which they destroy themselves, stating that they understand how their crimes will most likely be viewed as unforgivable by the galaxy. They have no preference to either option, since they have no purpose, and leave it solely to Shepard. A Paragon Shepard allows them to make their own way, while a Renegade Shepard demands they destroy themselves, for the galaxy is better off. This could be an extremely intriguing and unexpected plot twist at the end, possibly setting up ideas for future games. Of course, this all my opinion.

[Dark Gantros]

MetallicShepard wrote...

OP, I really like your idea of Harbinger being the supreme, possibly very first Reaper created by a tyrannical race. I would like to expand on your ending.

Harbinger, through the millenia, conquered others races, created his own husks out of them (other Reapers), has them indoctrinated to his genocidal cause, and the rest is history.

The Crucible wipes out Harbinger's control over the rest of the Reapers, and they envelope and destroy him, like you said. The rest are freed, mirroring the personalities of the races they once were. They gather and talk with Shepard, thanking him/her from freeing them from their indoctrination. An investigate option would appear where Shepard learns the true origins of the Reapers. They then allow Shepard two options: to free them and allow them to create their own future while they promise to stray far away from the rest of the galactic races and remain peaceful, or an option in which they destroy themselves, stating that they understand how their crimes will most likely be viewed as unforgivable by the galaxy. They have no preference to either option, since they have no purpose, and leave it solely to Shepard. A Paragon Shepard allows them to make their own way, while a Renegade Shepard demands they destroy themselves, for the galaxy is better off. This could be an extremely intriguing and unexpected plot twist at the end, possibly setting up ideas for future games. Of course, this all my opinion.

If there were going to be a direct sequel to ME3, I would definitely go for Sheperd decding the fate of the liberated Reapers. Realistically though, this is supposed to be the end of SHEPERD'S STORY, so having the fate of the surviving liberated Reapers up in the air seems to be ambiguous enough for having them show up unexpectedly in a future trilogy/game with a new protagonist. 

As for Harbinger, I don't accuse his creators as being evil, I accuse Harbinger of deciding it was the supreme being and that no one should be able to surpass it. The declaration that Synthetics will destroy their creators is true in Harbinger's mind, he did. What he doesn't say is that he culls organics so they can't make synthetics that destroy their creators and then CHALLENGE HIM!

Modifié par Dark Gantros, 29 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[MetallicShepard]

Dark Gantros wrote...

MetallicShepard wrote...

OP, I really like your idea of Harbinger being the supreme, possibly very first Reaper created by a tyrannical race. I would like to expand on your ending.

Harbinger, through the millenia, conquered others races, created his own husks out of them (other Reapers), has them indoctrinated to his genocidal cause, and the rest is history.

The Crucible wipes out Harbinger's control over the rest of the Reapers, and they envelope and destroy him, like you said. The rest are freed, mirroring the personalities of the races they once were. They gather and talk with Shepard, thanking him/her from freeing them from their indoctrination. An investigate option would appear where Shepard learns the true origins of the Reapers. They then allow Shepard two options: to free them and allow them to create their own future while they promise to stray far away from the rest of the galactic races and remain peaceful, or an option in which they destroy themselves, stating that they understand how their crimes will most likely be viewed as unforgivable by the galaxy. They have no preference to either option, since they have no purpose, and leave it solely to Shepard. A Paragon Shepard allows them to make their own way, while a Renegade Shepard demands they destroy themselves, for the galaxy is better off. This could be an extremely intriguing and unexpected plot twist at the end, possibly setting up ideas for future games. Of course, this all my opinion.

If there were going to be a direct sequel to ME3, I would definitely go for Sheperd decding the fate of the liberated Reapers. Realistically though, this is supposed to be the end of SHEPERD'S STORY, so having the fate of the surviving liberated Reapers up in the air seems to be ambiguous enough for having them show up unexpectedly in a future trilogy/game with a new protagonist. 

As for Harbinger, I don't accuse his creators as being evil, I accuse Harbinger of deciding it was the supreme being and that no one should be able to surpass it. The declaration that Synthetics will destroy their creators is true in Harbinger's mind, he did. What he doesn't say is that he culls organics so they can't make synthetics that destroy their creators and then CHALLENGE HIM!

Even better haha

[legion999]

I like your ending overall but there's some things I dislike:
1. The Rachni queen randomly appears to kill TIM... Ok? Seems a bit forced. Rachni troops helping on Earth is more likely along with their ships.
2. Shepard would understand the Prothean Reaper because of the Cipher.
3. Udina husk seems unlikely. His body would have rotted and he would have been buried (or the space equivalent).

Aside from those minor issues I think it's great.

[Dark Gantros]

legion999 wrote...

I like your ending overall but there's some things I dislike:
1. The Rachni queen randomly appears to kill TIM... Ok? Seems a bit forced. Rachni troops helping on Earth is more likely along with their ships.
2. Shepard would understand the Prothean Reaper because of the Cipher.
3. Udina husk seems unlikely. His body would have rotted and he would have been buried (or the space equivalent).

Aside from those minor issues I think it's great.

1.) yeah, it is a bit forced, but short of redesigning the soldier Rachni from their ME1 models, it seemed the easiest way to include her 

2.) I admit I had not considered this when I first wrote it, but you could argue that the military consciousnesses of the Prothean Reaper spoke in an encrypted language that Javik could understand, but Sheperd could not. Also, the whole scene was for emotional impact, anyway.

3.) This one was just a little in-joke where the corpse of Udina resurrects like Saren's did in ME1, and instead of a mini-boss battle, he's struck down as a nuisance.

[joshynoob]

LOVE IT, This made me hate ME3 less thanks to you, if bioware fails, this story will be my closure and im happy for it !

[Dark Gantros]

joshynoob wrote...

LOVE IT, This made me hate ME3 less thanks to you, if bioware fails, this story will be my closure and im happy for it !

I believe that's my second explicit endorsement of 'if the ending DLC sucks, this post is plan B'. Thank you so much for your support.

[XXIceColdXX]

Thanks for a good read. If Bioware don't fix this at least I can make my own thoughts of an ending by reading stories like this.

[Element Zero]

This would've been great. This is the type of ending I was expecting, based upon the previous two games.

Sadly, it didn't happen. I can't imagine how much longer this would've taken than the refuse we got, but I'd have gladly waited. I'll never understand WTH they were thinking.

[legion999]

Dark Gantros wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I like your ending overall but there's some things I dislike:
1. The Rachni queen randomly appears to kill TIM... Ok? Seems a bit forced. Rachni troops helping on Earth is more likely along with their ships.
2. Shepard would understand the Prothean Reaper because of the Cipher.
3. Udina husk seems unlikely. His body would have rotted and he would have been buried (or the space equivalent).

Aside from those minor issues I think it's great.

1.) yeah, it is a bit forced, but short of redesigning the soldier Rachni from their ME1 models, it seemed the easiest way to include her 

2.) I admit I had not considered this when I first wrote it, but you could argue that the military consciousnesses of the Prothean Reaper spoke in an encrypted language that Javik could understand, but Sheperd could not. Also, the whole scene was for emotional impact, anyway.

3.) This one was just a little in-joke where the corpse of Udina resurrects like Saren's did in ME1, and instead of a mini-boss battle, he's struck down as a nuisance.

1. I suppose.
2. Considering they can learn languages by touch having a military language makes sense.
3. ROFL. To be honest another chance to smack down Udina is fine with me.

[Dark Gantros]

BloodClaw95 wrote...

Reminds me of ME2's arrival for some reasons.
There were originally two ideas I liked, the Paragon Interrupt 'No' with the Catalyst, and the Indoc theory.

Now this is also a favorite of mine.

thanks