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[I Soya I]

The fact that Bioware specifically said they wont pull a lost and then you said they pulled a lost to defend the ending made me laugh.

[aetheldod]

You know all I needed is that Liara or a decendannt of her/Shepard was the stargazer , not some random human/Joker (ugh) decendant. That is all I needed to tie the trilogy with a nice bow

[Vromrig]

Everything.

[GunGrave TZA]

masseffectfan94 wrote...

All i can say is good luck with the following comments your gonna need it lol

Yup, here we go.

I'm going to try and honestly respond to your feedback, but I might be a bit slow. I'm one guy here.

[FKA_Servo]

Greed1914 wrote...

Gotta love the closure in that scene.  They're alive, right?  It doesn't matter that they're stranded on some random planet and will probably never get back.  I sure love the closure in knowing Tali will never see Rannoch again. 

Especially since, until I saw that scene, for all I knew she was fried by Harby along with Garrus.

[dfstone]

The endings showed me that every thing I did in the game up to those last 10 minutes was a total waste of time. Thats what bothers me.

[anlk92]

Greed1914 wrote...

Gotta love the closure in that scene.  They're alive, right?  It doesn't matter that they're stranded on some random planet and will probably never get back.  I sure love the closure in knowing Tali will never see Rannoch again. 

Don't forget the possible starvation.

[jstme]

First,i am happy that there are people who like the ending,can connect to it and feel at ease with the way it completes ME trilogy. There is no reason for them to be "indoctrinated" into the "camp" of people who feel that the ending does not speak to them and/or makes no sense.
But i just have to ask - green wave fusing organics and synthetics,even leaves on trees,all over the galaxy if not the universe in few seconds is to you a natural development in mass effect universe?

[StarcloudSWG]

Most of the civilian fleet, which included the majority of the Liveships, were left at Rannoch.

So, you know, not enough food.

For the original poster: Explain how dark energy, which affects the properties of mass and inertia inside a mass effect field, *creates* metallic circuitry in organic beings.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 26 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[CaptainZaysh]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Most of the civilian fleet, which included the majority of the Liveships, were left at Rannoch.

So, you know, not enough food.

Only if you did it wrong.  The Civilian Fleet were part of my armada.

[CaptainZaysh]

aetheldod wrote...

You know all I needed is that Liara or a decendannt of her/Shepard was the stargazer , not some random human/Joker (ugh) decendant. That is all I needed to tie the trilogy with a nice bow

Hey, that guy was Buzz Aldrin!

[GunGrave TZA]

 

Greed1914 wrote...






Those will summarize pretty well.

 

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

watch that video Greed linked. Its about, oh.. those massive plotholes.

Okay, so plot hole number one. And this actually explains plot hole number two as well. Could Joker not possibly have seen the explosion as it was occuring then began to flee when he does? The Normandy SR-2 is known to be one of the fastest ships within the galaxy and so it is entirely plausible that it could have out-run the explosion. Joker knew that "this is it" when he saw the explosion and so began to flee. He could have assumed that Shepard had died and not been able to get into contact with him, and so after leaving your squad to die or extracting them the explosion happened shortly afterwards and so he began to flee. And yeah, your squadmates could have easily protested to Joker that Shepard isn't dead. But he could have easily told them that it's too late for him and they could have agreed afterwards and evacuated with him. After all, the situation was desparate enough as it is. Believing that Shepard was dead could have pushed them over the edge.

Plot hole number three. As stated before, it could easily be a different kind of explosion. As I never played Arrival I cannot say what kind of explosion that was, but it could have easily been a traditional explosion. The Crucible, on the other hand, is power by mass effect energy and so the explosion could be something more similar to a biotic one. Therefore the energy can be channelled to be more specific, ergo not destroying all life.

Plot hole number four. What is your point? It is clear that this is an attempt by the Catalyst to wipe the slate clean and let this cycle to truly grow on it's own with little intervention from it or it's associated technologies. The concequences of this... Well, that's an interesting thing to ponder. But it's irrelavent to your journey.

Plot hole number five. Yeah true, that's disappointing that the war assets don't have a bigger impact on the ending. It's not really a plot hole though, just a poorly designed gameplay element.

Plot hole number six. I already answered that. Extra closure would be a bonus, but not necessary in terms of narrative. 

Plot hole number seven. I don't really consider it a plot twist, more of a reveal. So yeah, that was just interetsingly unexpected to me.

Plot hole number eight. Poor execution, agreed. Circular logic, disagreed. The Geth became peaceful after recieving technology from the Reapers i.e all of the previous advanced organic species since they are preserved within the Reapers i.e. the Geth only became peaceful after they gained the AI of organics. If they reamined synthetic, they would have rebelled and the "chaos" would have begun again.

Plot hole number nine. Shepard has been through so much already that I think he's already willing to believe anything, and so are we as an audience. And what the Catalyst/God Child says is hardly ********. While it is unexpected, nothing about what the Catalyst says is out of the possibility of plausibility. Who else could have created the Reapers? Why else would this happen every 50,000 yeats on the dot? What other reason would there be for this genocide?

Plot hole number ten. Means to an end again, etc, etc.

[Gill Kaiser]

When we talk about the ending being bad, we're MOSTLY referring to everything after the light elevator brings Shepard to the Catalyst. The stuff in London leading up to that is filled with missed opportunities, but it's not BAD. There's the fact that War Assets don't make any functional difference in the battle, and that Harbinger doesn't get a look in, but that's not the crux of the matter.

It's the horrible Catalyst exposition (just enough to ruin the Reapers, not enough to make any sense, and no chance for Shepard to contradict the nonsense) followed by the 3 almost identical cutscenes that completely screw everything up in the setting, effectively destroying the galactic community and leaving everyone you care about stranded or dead. They follow that up with no closure whatsoever regarding the fate of your friends or species.

It's a nihilistic Gainax Ending, and we're given no choice but to accept it.

[RedNanaki]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Hey, that guy was Buzz Aldrin!

Respect to Buzz Aldrin for his accomplishments, I've even seen him in person, but you have to admit the acting is kinda terrible. xD

[GunGrave TZA]

RedNanaki wrote...

Happy that you liked the ending, but prepare yourself to be attempted converted by the BSN population. 

GunGrave TZA wrote...

Nearly all of the people you cared about and who care about you are safe (or died to make the people they cared about safe)

This is one of the major problems for people, though. Basically everyone you cared about is stranded on Earth; A broken Earth. How could they possibly survive? The Turians and Quarians will never be able to make it home before they run out of dextro food for instance. Wrex wont make it back to Tuchanka to lead his people, the Normandy crew seemingly ran away from the battle and crash landed on some tropical planet.

It's just a bit too bleak of a future for most... even if Shepard at the end of the day did end the Reaper threat.

Edit: Also, plot holes. There are a *lot* of plot holes and inconsistencies if you look closely. If you don't want to be converted I recommend you avoid reading about them.

Yeah, I agree with your point and I see what the problem is for most fans of the series. But to me, at least, the last ten minutes just highlights how it was really about your journey and what you did. The concequcnes would be nice to see, but they're an extra. I'm glad to see Shepard's character arc concluded in such a manner. And if they manage to conclude the supporting character's arcs in the DLC, then that'd be great too. 

[N-Seven]

Glad you liked it man. You have peace, and have moved on

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Greed1914 wrote...






Those will summarize pretty well.

These are the wrong videos, you want these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI&feature=g-all-u&context=G2007f40FAAAAAAAAAAA

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 26 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[CaptainZaysh]

RedNanaki wrote...

Respect to Buzz Aldrin for his accomplishments, I've even seen him in person, but you have to admit the acting is kinda terrible. xD

I'd be careful saying that to his face if I were you!

[FellishBeast]

Risselda wrote...

Saren chose blue.

TIM chose green.

How did they end up again?

WRONG!

[GunGrave TZA]

warrior256 wrote...

You claim that you have changed the galaxy for the better. I'm sorry but i'd argue that all you've done is make things worse then what they already are. The vast majority of Turians and Quarians who participated in the Battle for Earth are going to starve (which may mean the extinction of the Quarian race considering the bulk of Quarians probably fought in the battle. At the same time, there is going to be a massive war for the remaining resources on Earth which will kill off most of the remaining survivors in the system.

Then there is the issue of the Galatic dark age. It is established that 10 000 years from the endings, civilization is still reduced to pre-spaceflight levels. Multiple civilizations have been entirely destroyed or at the very least have collapsed into Anarchy. Everything that made the Mass Effect series what it is has been destroyed. So can you tell me just how things are better off now?

Yes. Things are still better off. Because it this new cycle consists of a truly organic civilization. There is no input or maniulation from the Catalyst or the technology of the other advanced alien races. They are expanding for themselves and at their own time, and so the organics vs. synthetics problem will - at the very least - take MUCH longer to exist. And so the Catalyst will have more time to think of a more permament solution to this problem.

[RedNanaki]

GunGrave TZA wrote...

Plot hole number three. As stated before, it could easily be a different kind of explosion. As I never played Arrival I cannot say what kind of explosion that was, but it could have easily been a traditional explosion. The Crucible, on the other hand, is power by mass effect energy and so the explosion could be something more similar to a biotic one. Therefore the energy can be channelled to be more specific, ergo not destroying all life.

I think the point being made here is that the explosion doesn't seem to make anything except the Normandy's engines blow up. If you choose destroy (red) the Reapers just kinda fall to the ground without anything more to it. If you pick blue or green they don't even get damaged, they just fly away, while the Normandy's engines are still fried.

Also, the relay explosions in ME3 look very much the same as the one in Arrival (which destroys the entire system).

[GunGrave TZA]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

When we talk about the ending being bad, we're MOSTLY referring to everything after the light elevator brings Shepard to the Catalyst. The stuff in London leading up to that is filled with missed opportunities, but it's not BAD. There's the fact that War Assets don't make any functional difference in the battle, and that Harbinger doesn't get a look in, but that's not the crux of the matter.

It's the horrible Catalyst exposition (just enough to ruin the Reapers, not enough to make any sense, and no chance for Shepard to contradict the nonsense) followed by the 3 almost identical cutscenes that completely screw everything up in the setting, effectively destroying the galactic community and leaving everyone you care about stranded or dead. They follow that up with no closure whatsoever regarding the fate of your friends or species.

It's a nihilistic Gainax Ending, and we're given no choice but to accept it.

I totally can see that. Even while I was playing through it I was thinking "...Okay, let's see where this goes..." after everything from the light elevator. It's just to me personally I thought the trilogy reflected your story more than anything and the entire galaxy is directly effected by everything you did. And so because your character recieves closure, your species; your friends; your universe, will recieve eventual closure too.

And if you disagree with me, wait for the DLC. I'm sure it'll answer your questions.

[refuse81]

Spoiler alert.

[GunGrave TZA]

I Soya I wrote...

The fact that Bioware specifically said they wont pull a lost and then you said they pulled a lost to defend the ending made me laugh.

Hahahahahaha I know I noticed that too. :')

No my point is that they DIDN'T pull a Lost. To me the Lost ending is 10x less satisfying than the ending for Mass Effect 3. It was far from perfect, but it was at least a 7/10 to me. Lost, on the other hand, was a -1/10 to me.

Modifié par GunGrave TZA, 26 mars 2012 - 09:12 .

[CaptainZaysh]

warrior256 wrote...

The vast majority of Turians and Quarians who participated in the Battle for Earth are going to starve

Presumably they'll just depart for the nearest dextro world.  All militaries will have rations, and if you had the quarian liveships in your armada then you have actual replenishable food sources to throw at the problem.

warrior256 wrote...
At the same time, there is going to be a massive war for the remaining resources on Earth which will kill off most of the remaining survivors in the system.

:-)

Alternatively, the Council races will work to restore government and infrastructure, and Earth (which has been feeding and supplying billions of humanoids for millennia) will work back towards peace and stability.

warrior256 wrote...
Then there is the issue of the Galatic dark age. It is established that 10 000 years from the endings, civilization is still reduced to pre-spaceflight levels.

Not at all.  What's established is that at least one world is still cut off from the galactic community.  That's all.