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[zarnk567]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

yea.... you mean the ending where shep some how survived the fall through earth's atmosphere and somehow survived being in space when the citadel exploded........ yup i see no plot holes what so ever....

Oh are you one of those people who think the rubble was made in London?  Can't see it, myself.  It looks like the material that exploded when Shep shot it, to me.

......We saw the citadel explode in destruction ending..... and thats the only ending where you see Shepard survive....

Modifié par zarnk567, 26 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Wolven_Soul]

Glad that you liked it, however your not going to change any minds.  Everything you have said has been said before, and it didn't change our minds then either.

[Edrick1976]

Watch and comment

[RedShft]

Risselda wrote...

Saren chose blue.

TIM chose green.

How did they end up again?

Actually Saren was all about synthesis which I believe was Green and TIM was all about Control which is blue.

One of the most interesting parts of this is that both Saren and TIM were indoctrinated and coerced into believing that Synthesis and Control were the right options. Leading me to believe that if indoctrination was required in order for Synthesis and Control to be seen as viable options, then in the end those "options" really aren't options at all. It's just the illusion of an option.

Modifié par RedShft, 26 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[anlk92]

GunGrave TZA wrote...

How is every main character ruined? Their fate is left unknown but suggested to be a bright one.

They are ruined because they ditch you at the final battle for no reason. Shepard's character is ruined because he gives in to the main villain of the trilogy without showing any kind of protest.

What themes are contradicted? Out of genuine interest, because I didn't notice them.

Self determination and unity through diversity. Also the entire approach to the synthetics issue does a 180 during the conversation with the catalyst.

It doesn't promote genocide either. Shepard and/or the Catalyst just see it as a necessary evil.

I'm sure most of the real life people who committed genocide also saw it as a necessary evil.

The catalyst is a genocidal maniac who commits galactic genocide every 50k years because he believes the synthetics are evil, yet is presented to the player as an entity with superior knowledge than any other character and the player too. As I said Shepard doesn't protest to catalyst's ideas and he is easily willing to accept them. This further proves that the writers were trying to pass these arguments to the player as truth.

Also synthesis ending which suggests that two different species cannot coexist peacefully and in order to establish peace they need to become the same thing requires the highest ems to unlock. This gives the impression that it is the optimal ending and the only way to have permanent peace. The whole notion of synthesis is racist and awfuly close to cultural genocide. Not to forget that it is something Shepard forces on to the entire galaxy.

Modifié par anlk92, 26 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[Cyph3rX]

/Ace Ventura inhale

Crew teleports to Normandy.
Joker fleeing the battle through a relay, otherwise plothole blob wouldn't follow.
Tali/Garrus will most likely starve on the Google images planet, as they can not consume the same food as Human/Asari or vice versa.
Normandy crew is not a large enough pool of genes to base a society off of.
Sovereign's role in ME1 is meaningless, as apparently Spacebrat was always there to control the Reapers, and presumably having the power himself to call them back.
Reapers reduced from unknowable H.P. Lovecraft space Cthulus to Roger Wilcos, space janiors.
If you picked Synthesis, you should've just shut the game off in ME1 when Saren gives his speech about combining synthetics and organics.
Some choices rendered moot by epic retcons (Rachni in 3 even if you killed the queen in 1)
ALL of your choices being rendered moot by essentially committing genocide by color, and stranding most species in the Sol system, some of which cannot survive off of Human food, assuming theres much supply left on Earth in the first place.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

/Exhale

[Mathias]

OP everything you have said has been discussed and debunked before in the other hunderds of threads for the past two weeks. You're wasting your time.

[Hospitallar]

Disregarding whether or not you are happy or unhappy with the scenes, you know something is wrong if the very same scenes can be taken to mean either way.

Personally, I'm very much dissatisfied with the endings and I feel they create more contradictions and loopholes than they tie up a story. However, you are entitled to your opinions and in some ways, I envy you.

Nonetheless, those who oppose it see plot holes and contradictions, those who support it need to fill in the blanks.

What does this mean? Very bad execution on the ending and poor writing.

[alberta]

Hospitallar wrote...

Disregarding whether or not you are happy or unhappy with the scenes, you know something is wrong if the very same scenes can be taken to mean either way.

Personally, I'm very much dissatisfied with the endings and I feel they create more contradictions and loopholes than they tie up a story. However, you are entitled to your opinions and in some ways, I envy you.

Nonetheless, those who oppose it see plot holes and contradictions, those who support it need to fill in the blanks.

What does this mean? Very bad execution on the ending and poor writing.

What does it mean? Artistic integrity of course.

[aymlam79]

Been scanning the forum threads about the ending, and I haven't seen anyone mention that the Prothean VI on Thessia said that someone/thing else was controlling the Reapers. Then at the end we find out that it's the Catalyst ghostchild. Do folks still think that the reveal of the Catalyst came out of the blue? I remembered that scene as I was approaching the endgame and was wondering if Shepard would find out who was controlling the Reapers.

[Mobius-Silent]

jess05 wrote...

The major plothole (IMO) is the Catalyst itself.

think about the plotline in ME.
What was the purpose of the Keepers?
Why did Saren need to get into the Citadel?
What did the Protheans do to buy the next cycle more time?...
the Catalyst said he created and controls the reapers. The Citadel is a part of him, and is is home.
His mere presence unravels everything in ME1.

This!... This is often overlooked in peoples lists of "What was wrong with the ending. IMHO this is #1. It was my first thought when the Catalyst said "I controld the Reapers" and "The Citadel is part of me" BOOM, ME1 no longer makes sense, that is when they lost me, the rest was just icing on the failcake.

[Cyph3rX]

aymlam79 wrote...

Been scanning the forum threads about the ending, and I haven't seen anyone mention that the Prothean VI on Thessia said that someone/thing else was controlling the Reapers. Then at the end we find out that it's the Catalyst ghostchild. Do folks still think that the reveal of the Catalyst came out of the blue? I remembered that scene as I was approaching the endgame and was wondering if Shepard would find out who was controlling the Reapers.

Be that as it may, it still doesn't explain the laundry list of the remainder of the bs and plotholes, along with why you couldn't, as Jeremy Jahns puts it, give the brat the finger and tell him to eff off, which would've been closer to the underlying theme of choice in the series.

[flumpet38]

FellishBeast wrote...

Gun, we don't want to hear it. You have every right to voice your opinion, and we have every right to call you an idiot for having it.

No you don't. You can disagree with him. You can point out that you think he's wrong. You can discuss what evidence in your mind contradicts his world-view. But you can't call him an idiot for having an opinion different than yours. It's a personal insult, it's uncalled for, and it's against the TOS for this forum. 

[zarnk567]

aymlam79 wrote...

Been scanning the forum threads about the ending, and I haven't seen anyone mention that the Prothean VI on Thessia said that someone/thing else was controlling the Reapers. Then at the end we find out that it's the Catalyst ghostchild. Do folks still think that the reveal of the Catalyst came out of the blue? I remembered that scene as I was approaching the endgame and was wondering if Shepard would find out who was controlling the Reapers.

No, I remember..... But I sure as heck didn't think it would lead to Deus ex Machina..... And Space magic....

Modifié par zarnk567, 26 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[AllergevKev]

The ending feels good at first. I actually liked it for a good hour or so. Once I actually started thinking about it at dinner that night...well, things got ugly

[flumpet38]

Cyph3rX wrote...

Be that as it may, it still doesn't explain the laundry list of the remainder of the bs and plotholes, along with why you couldn't, as Jeremy Jahns puts it, give the brat the finger and tell him to eff off, which would've been closer to the underlying theme of choice in the series.

That would've been awesome, I agree...but really? The Fleets were getting CRUSHED. 50%. 50% of ALL the ground troops you rounded up in the ENTIRE Galaxy died before their boots touched soil in the charge to the Beam. If you give the brat the finger, the Reapers obliterate the unified strength of the Galaxy. Like it or not, players don't have a lot of choice in the ending because the story put Sheperd in a place where he/she didn't have a lot of choice.

[FS3D]

flumpet38 wrote...

Cyph3rX wrote...

Be that as it may, it still doesn't explain the laundry list of the remainder of the bs and plotholes, along with why you couldn't, as Jeremy Jahns puts it, give the brat the finger and tell him to eff off, which would've been closer to the underlying theme of choice in the series.

That would've been awesome, I agree...but really? The Fleets were getting CRUSHED. 50%. 50% of ALL the ground troops you rounded up in the ENTIRE Galaxy died before their boots touched soil in the charge to the Beam. If you give the brat the finger, the Reapers obliterate the unified strength of the Galaxy. Like it or not, players don't have a lot of choice in the ending because the story put Sheperd in a place where he/she didn't have a lot of choice.

They still should have included the option.

Besides, where are you getting that 50% option? Did you have 7000 EMS?

[Cyph3rX]

flumpet38 wrote...

Cyph3rX wrote...

Be that as it may, it still doesn't explain the laundry list of the remainder of the bs and plotholes, along with why you couldn't, as Jeremy Jahns puts it, give the brat the finger and tell him to eff off, which would've been closer to the underlying theme of choice in the series.

That would've been awesome, I agree...but really? The Fleets were getting CRUSHED. 50%. 50% of ALL the ground troops you rounded up in the ENTIRE Galaxy died before their boots touched soil in the charge to the Beam. If you give the brat the finger, the Reapers obliterate the unified strength of the Galaxy. Like it or not, players don't have a lot of choice in the ending because the story put Sheperd in a place where he/she didn't have a lot of choice.

Which is honestly why the game fails for me and many others, the writers just wrote Shepard into a corner with ABC endings, even though they stated many times they wouldn't. I wasn't even for a happy ending for Shepard, just one that made more sense like DA:O's ultimate sacrifice, with potentially a lot more choices than just that one. Heck saying "Screw you Spacebrat." and doing nothing could've been one of the bad endings. It still beats the endings pulled from Deus Ex 1 and having them spraypainted with red, green, and blue paint. Epecially when those choices invalidate pretty much EVERY choice you've made thus far in the series by atom bombing the universe and the lore.

[GunGrave TZA]

Hospitallar wrote...

Disregarding whether or not you are happy or unhappy with the scenes, you know something is wrong if the very same scenes can be taken to mean either way.

Personally, I'm very much dissatisfied with the endings and I feel they create more contradictions and loopholes than they tie up a story. However, you are entitled to your opinions and in some ways, I envy you.

Nonetheless, those who oppose it see plot holes and contradictions, those who support it need to fill in the blanks.

What does this mean? Very bad execution on the ending and poor writing.

Agreed.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The little brat is a lie. Everything after the laser beam is a lie.

would have preferred to recruit Balak on the Citadel and blow up the Sol system relay myself, but not given option. Take a few geth ships from Rannoch and slam pluto into it or slam it into Pluto, whichever easier. You know since all the reapers now on earth doing the harvest, best way to get rid of them. They'd never see it coming. Sacrifice for the greater good. +10,000 renegade.

Still have colonies left.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 26 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[SilentPhenomed]

Dude...you have your own opinion...and I respect it.

And I agree with it. Thing is PEOPLE REFUSE to express their own opinion

I seriously had like...I think 3 friends...say they liked the ending, and then after they researched it and saw the opinions and hate train, they were like "oh yeah the ending is terrible, plot holes plot holes" and I'm like "are you serious?"

I can't find any plotholes either! The only plot hole is the reaper origins! I seriously can't find anything else. I mean one plot hole people say exist is "how do ur squad get on normandy?"

Well I mean...I dunno, Coats was able to leave, I'm sure your squad can too. There's your answer. "Anderson wasn't hurt at all when he was on the Citadel!! PLOTHOLES"....No, it's not a plothole, it's just obvious that Anderson simply wasn't hit by the beam or anything else " ahhhhh boy

[jess05]

The plothole was catalyst.

[Cyph3rX]

SilentPhenomed wrote...

Dude...you have your own opinion...and I respect it.

And I agree with it. Thing is PEOPLE REFUSE to express their own opinion

I seriously had like...I think 3 friends...say they liked the ending, and then after they researched it and saw the opinions and hate train, they were like "oh yeah the ending is terrible, plot holes plot holes" and I'm like "are you serious?"

I can't find any plotholes either! The only plot hole is the reaper origins! I seriously can't find anything else. I mean one plot hole people say exist is "how do ur squad get on normandy?"

Well I mean...I dunno, Coats was able to leave, I'm sure your squad can too. There's your answer. "Anderson wasn't hurt at all when he was on the Citadel!! PLOTHOLES"....No, it's not a plothole, it's just obvious that Anderson simply wasn't hit by the beam or anything else -_-" ahhhhh boy

I found your problem, they actually thought about it afterwards.

[anlk92]

SilentPhenomed wrote...

I mean one plot hole people say exist is "how do ur squad get on normandy?"

Well I mean...I dunno, Coats was able to leave, I'm sure your squad can too. There's your answer.

But why did they leave when they could just casually walk into the conduit? Why did my squad who were right behind me when the beam hit didn't bother picking me up but instead ran back, somehow contacted Normandy, get it to land, get onboard, flee Sol, get blown up by a blast that is supposed to be harmless and crash on a random planet?That is one giant plot hole.

Modifié par anlk92, 26 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[DJBare]

Just like to point out that in every ending the citadel is destroyed, it explodes after the energy is released, so the breath ending makes little sense unless Shepard is on earth.